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Blaeric Fen |
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 07:01
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I don't fully understand the logics of the MCing into
a channeler class. I thought that either you started out a channeler &
then you could MC into another type of class, but not from another type of
class into a channeler class. But then I remember, RAND al'Thor, he's a
woodsman, then a wilder. ***DUH*** but how could it be possible to be a
high level armsman, for example, and not know you can channel. I guess I'm
looking at this from the RPing perspective.
-------------------- If you've got nothing to live for, what's the point
of living? Dont be afraid of death, be afraid of an unlived life ; you dont have to live forever, you just have to live... |
MagusRogue |
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 07:04
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it's something you'll stumble into, basically. Like,
you've spend all of your life an armsman, but when you start hanging
around channelers, you start noticing things. You might end up start
channeling on your own (and MC into Wilder), or someone might later on
notice you have the ability to channel and teach you (and thus MC into
Initiate). -------------------- Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this rant's
done. Magus the Extreme. Your wonderfully-ghoulish partner GM of Patterns of the Weave. Be fearful, indeed. |
Blaeric Fen |
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 07:06
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But in the books it says that things start to happen
on their own, like Egwene had that illness that curiously fixed itself. so
wouldn't it be automatic? -------------------- If you've got nothing to live for, what's the point
of living? Dont be afraid of death, be afraid of an unlived life ; you dont have to live forever, you just have to live... |
Targul |
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 07:08
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The difference comes in when you determine wether the
char can LEARN to channel or is BORN with the spark to channel. If you
could LEARN you could go your whole life and never touch the Source and
just be a carpenter or something. The people BORN with the spark will
channel no matter what and it generally happens between certain ages
depending on that persons sex. I think it is 12-18 for women and anywhere
from 18-30 for men. So it really depends on if the character is BORN with the spark or could just LEARN to touch the source. And then once that is determined there is still the age to think about if you are someone BORN with it. -------------------- Wait, if I DID evil, and you guys here
ARE evil. Then shouldn't you be showering me with rewards and
concubines, etc.? This is Hell we're big on irony here. Then I'm sure you'll appreciate what is going to occur. I'm dead, so this is some egoscopic projection of myself? Correct, but I hardly see what... So without any fleshy meats to slow me down, how long do you REALLY think it'll take for me to usurp your entire kingdom? I have the entire legions of Hell at my command Enjoy it while you can, Skippy. -Black Mage in Hell (8-bit theater style) |
Blaeric Fen |
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 07:11
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If they were born with the ability, wouldn't it
happen anyways? like over on the Damane thread, the sul'dam is sometimes
born with the ability to channel, & sometimes with the ability to
learn to channel. So eventually, the primary class would HAVE to become a
wilder no matter what. & given the right age depends on when it
happens. -------------------- If you've got nothing to live for, what's the point
of living? Dont be afraid of death, be afraid of an unlived life ; you dont have to live forever, you just have to live... |
MagusRogue |
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 07:13
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depends. If a tradition gets a hold of you before you start weaving on your own, and teaches you the right way to do it, you'll be an Initiate. If a tradition doesn't get there in time, and you start weaving on your own, even instinctively like Nynaeve did with her Listening to the Wind, then you're in the Wilder class. Either wya, though, in story terms you're a wilder. The classes are based on how you learn to channel, not whether you're born with it or not. -------------------- Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this rant's
done. Magus the Extreme. Your wonderfully-ghoulish partner GM of Patterns of the Weave. Be fearful, indeed. | ||
Sharn Penndroen |
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 09:48
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Think about the Asha'man. Some of them were old men,
they lived their whole lives doing whatever. Some of them are now quite
powerful channelers. It is possible.
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Entropic_existence |
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 10:16
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As for Sul'dam...Sul'dam the the girls who through
the testing, are determined they can become Sul'dam. What the Seanchan
don't know is that those women are the ones who could be taught to
Channel. The girls taken as damane are the girls born with the spark...and
will eventually begin channeling whether they want to or not. In game
terms it makes perfect sense...if your simply born with the ability to
learn than you have to be taught by another Channeler. If you have the
spark perhaps you gained levels in something else first. Especially if
your a male with the spark you might not start channeling on your own
until well into your 20's. -------------------- What is dead can never
die. |
Sa_sara |
Posted: Feb 7 2004, 07:09
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Our GM doesn't allow MCing into channeling
classes...but then, that's probably because our two non-channelers have
been in a party with two or three initiates at all times. The logic is --
if they could channel we'd know by now because: 1. they're beyond the age that the spark manifests 2. they've been in contact with those of their own gender who can channel and belong to the towers, they would have been tested and failed Basically, it has to fit -- it's like old school psionic wild talents (in 2nd ed you could only test for them at the beginning of the game, when psionics were first introduced to the game, or the first time they meet a psychic surgeon...it wasn't a feat) there are only certain times you can be discovered to channel (when you first meet a channeling char of the same gender and are tested, at the beginning of the game, when a spark manifests if you're young enough in game)... If it fits the conditions, great...but in our campaign it doesn't fit the mold. How many 26 year old women suddenly figure out they can channel after they've been tested and found not to channel by the White Tower (unless she's a forsaken masking her ability, none)? --------------------
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Kakita Aramoro |
Posted: Feb 8 2004, 07:20
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remember, in the age of legends people were tested
multiple times, and when they sliped through the craks it was usually
because they gave up on testing before the ability manifested itself.
also, testing is vuluntary, perhaps your character did not want to be
tested at all, or they were amenable to testing but then just once, and
the ability was not there yet. This post has been edited by Kakita Aramoro on Feb 8 2004, 07:32 PM |
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Posted: Feb 8 2004, 09:11
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However, this is the third age...and testing is
pretty much forced on you if you meet one who can test you. Well...like I said, there are age limits. But in this case I was saying, if you're over age (say 30 year old woman), have been to the White Tower, were trained as an Aes Sedai spy...whatever...there's no way you're going to slip through a crack -- you've signed up for it and if you have the stuff they've grabbed you by then. Men don't have the age limit that way...but women really do. If she's older and has met representatives of the White Tower already and been tagged as nothing, she's not going to suddenly turn into the most powerful channeler the world has ever seen...or any channeler for that matter without a lot of really incongruent explainations What I'm saying is...there are limits. There are age limits on women, no one will discover being able to channel at middle age after being an Aes Sedai spy for a couple years...or even after meeting an Aes Sedai period. If it's their first run in with an Aes Sedai/Asha'man etc. (or not, and they're still a teenage girl/a man period) then fine...but it doesn't make sense for someone clearly too old to spark and obviously not judged able to learn to suddenly take a channeling class. For example -- I play in one game a 26 year old female Woodsman. She's a rogue Aes Sedai spy and has contacted the rebel White Tower and knows two Aes Sedai quite well -- they would have tested her, and tested her three times over by age 25...there's no chance she slipped through a crack, she simply cannot channel. Say there's a 15 year old in the same boat? Then fine, it manifests. Or someone who hasn't been in touch with any agents of an appropriate channeling tradition -- fine again...you teach yourself or get discovered. There are, however, cases where it just won't make sense |
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