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> Composure Feat, replacing the skill with a feat
Llewin
Posted: Nov 8 2004, 07:51 PM
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sure it would... think about it if you are totally focused on the combat not only are you seeing where the enemy may attack you next but, by the same focus you are able to see where the enemy is leaving themselves most open, a little too much weight on that foot... leaning back just a little more than necessary for *that* swordform... etc...

re-read rands fight with highlord turoc in The Great Hunt... he didnt start attacking effectively or defending at his best (though he was defending somewhat well, not at the level of a blademaster) until he used the flame and the void which he was avoiding because he knew it was how he embraced the One Power.

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Posted: Nov 8 2004, 09:22 PM
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hrm... maybe two seperate feats then, with Composure as a prereq? Though I'd also say that the ranged one needs at the least Precise Shot. So that means it requires three feats. Not too much a problem, considering the power.

What should the melee version do then? +3 on attack and defense? Wis bonus on attack and defense? what?


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Posted: Nov 9 2004, 04:56 AM
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my challenge with a feat that gives a bonus for a combat based character eg. armsman/woodsman that is based on an attribute they would definitely not put points in to is that the feat is fairly useless unless they get really good rolls to start right?

so if they have to put points in to wisdom to make the feat worthwhile it should have a starting wis 13+ as its primary req...

some options i've considered are half your level as a bonus to attack... or stack str/dex? i dont know...

possibly make it another feat tree... based on wisdom...

first step +wis. modifer to attack
second step +wis modifier to dmg
third step maybe...+wis mod to def?
fourth step x2 crit range?

these are just brainstorm ideas... i guess if i was going to get my wis mod to a number of areas not just one it could make putting the extra points there worth it... but realistically why not just keep putting points in to str or dex depending on which sort of sword you r using? whats the dif between starting with 15 str and 11 wis and upping str to 20 over time or putting str at 18 and wis at 13? same total modifier to atk and dmg right?

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Posted: Nov 9 2004, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE (MagusRogue @ Nov 8 2004, 05:11 PM)
*blinks* they do?

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Sharn Penndroen
Posted: Nov 9 2004, 08:16 AM
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Magus, I think that giving the Wisdom bonus to attack would be a sufficient bonus from Flame and Void. Don't give any bonus to Defense. If the Blademaster wishes to increase his defense through the Flame and the Void then he has Combat Expertise with which he can accomplish that (shifting his style from offensive to defensive but using the same focus). You could even make Combat Expertise a requirement for the Flame and the Void.


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MagusRogue
Posted: Nov 9 2004, 04:01 PM
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hrm what bout the bonus to damage?


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Posted: Nov 9 2004, 07:20 PM
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wait can someone really explain to me how that is in any way a good bonus? smile.gif

what good does giving wis mod to atk or def do? how does it benefit you? smile.gif

really... i mean if you have a total +5 from a 20 str after a few levels or a total +5 from 12 wis and 18 str after a few levels whats the difference? smile.gif wouldnt it be better to have the feat give something you cant normally get without it...?
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Posted: Nov 9 2004, 11:58 PM
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What if you got 20 str and 16 wis? the guy without the feat would get a +5 to his attack, while a guy with the feat gets a +8. plus, there might be ter'angreal and weaves that enhance Wis.


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Posted: Nov 10 2004, 01:30 AM
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Well this is made to represent someone with a different style of fighting. I mean, that would be like saying Weapon Finesse is useless. If you have a 20 Str, then yeah, it probably is. But jeez, if you have a 20 Str, I probably wouldn't waste my time with this anyway, I'd be going two handed power attack all day long. What if you have 12 Str and a 16 Wis? Much more useful. Besides that, this isn't even replacing the normal bonus to str but it is stacking with it. Maybe it should replace it. That's what Randy's version of FaV did. Either way, it is a good bonus for the right person. Weapon Finesse is a good bonus for the right person.


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MagusRogue
Posted: Nov 10 2004, 02:49 AM
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Well, zen archery replaces Dex with Wis on the attack roll. However, the feat I made for ranged attacks is modeled more after the Marksman feat from several older d20 products. so.... yeah.


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