Powered by Invision Power Board


  Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

> Channeler Bloodline, Because I know EVERYONE will like it!
Two Rivers Wolfbrother
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 10:19 AM
Report PostQuote Post


Great Fang
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 374
Member No.: 20
Joined: 15-January 04



I'm putting this up not because I think it's completely perfect or book-aligned or anything. I just remember someone asked me to post it. So, here it is for everyone to complain about... I mean admire.

Channeling "Bloodline"

Minor is for people who have the spark, but will never be strong. Nearly all channelers who are Aes Sedai or otherwise considered strong are intermediate. Major channelers are the exceptions, people like Rand, Nynaeve, Egwene, and other very powerful channelers.
The character chooses whether to be an initiate or wilder. Initiates must belong to an organization, and wilders must start with a block.

Minor

Level
1st --
2nd --
3rd --
4th +2 on Weavesight checks
5th --
6th --
7th --
8th Slow aging
9th --
10th --
11th --
12th Intelligence +1
13th --
14th --
15th --
16th Extra Talent
17th --
18th --
19th --
20th Weave Affinity +1

Intermediate

Level
1st --
2nd +2 on Weavesight checks
3rd --
4th Slow aging
5th --
6th Intelligence +1
7th --
8th Extra Talent
9th --
10th Weave Affinity +1
11th --
12th Extra Affinity
13th --
14th +2 on Concentration checks
15th --
16th Iron Will
17th --
18th Constitution +1
19th --
20th Tie Off Weave

Major

Level
1st +2 on Weavesight checks
2nd Slow aging
3rd Intelligence +1
4th Extra Talent
5th Weave Affinity +1
6th Extra Affinity
7th +2 on Concentration checks
8th Iron Will
9th Constitution +1
10th Tie Off Weave
11th Weave Affinity +2
12th Quicken Weave
13th +2 on Composure checks
14th Improved Overchanneling
15th Charisma +1
16th Extra Talent
17th Weave Affinity +3
18th Sense Residue
19th +2 on Knowledge (Age of Legends) checks
20th Maximize Weave

Weave Afinity: The channeler masters a number of weaves equal to her Intelligence modifier. She can channel the weave as though she was a level higher than she is.
Quicken Weave: As the feat: Quicken Spell.
Maximize Weave: As the feat: Maximize Spell.
Improved Overchanneling: The channeler gains +2 to all rolls related to overchanneling.

Weaves

Minor: As an initiate or wilder, but only progresses on the chart at 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th, and 20th levels.
Intermediate: As an initiate or wilder, but only progresses on the chart at 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th, 12th, 14th, 16th, 18th, and 20th levels.
Major: As an initiate or wilder.

The channeler must take a level of "Channeler" by the following levels. If they fail to do so, they cease to gain the abilities for that channeling bloodline. This level grants no hit points, skill points, or any other benefits other than an increase in level and the ability to continue to gain bloodline features. Increases in level are useful in figuring out max skill ranks and also a character still gains hit points if her Constitution is above 11.

Minor: 3rd and 11th.
Intermediate: 3rd, 7th, 11th, and 15th.
Major: 3rd, 5th, 7th, 11th, 13th, 15th, and 17th.

This post has been edited by Two Rivers Wolfbrother on Jul 29 2004, 10:21 AM


--------------------
This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai. Older than anybody using the One Power. Old as humankind. Old as wolves.

Current Projects:
Encounters Handbook

Homepage:
Town Center Productions
It's funny!

Also check out my Wheel of Time RPG Website!
It's not as funny as Town Center Productions
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
bmtc
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 07:01 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Learned Master
***

Group: Members
Posts: 41
Member No.: 169
Joined: 30-June 04



I like the concept... so, would it be possible for someone with the bloodline to take levels of initiate or wilder or would this completely replace those classes?
and if it didn't, how would taking those levels work?


And, if it did, what class fits aes sedai the best, and does that mean that skills like decipher script are always cross-class? (just things to ponder)
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
drothgery
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 07:14 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Elder Scholar
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 153
Member No.: 25
Joined: 15-January 04



QUOTE (bmtc @ Jul 29 2004, 09:01 AM)
I like the concept... so, would it be possible for someone with the bloodline to take levels of initiate or wilder or would this completely replace those classes?
and if it didn't, how would taking those levels work?

They're Unearthed Arcana-style "bloodlines"; you'd normally be advancing as an initiate or wilder (or as my generic channeler), and would take 1-3 levels in the 'bloodline' (depending on the strength of the bloodline) to gain the listed abilities.


--------------------
Mini ProfilePMEmail PosterUsers Website
Top
Kakita Aramoro
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 07:50 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Elder Scholar
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 167
Member No.: 74
Joined: 1-February 04



hmn, seems set up to replace actually taking levels in the chanelling classes, since under the discriptive text you gain weaves at certain levels, those in which you gain other abilities.
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
Two Rivers Wolfbrother
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 08:38 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Great Fang
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 374
Member No.: 20
Joined: 15-January 04



Yeah, sorry I wasn't clear about that. It's set up to replace the channeling classes. Aes Sedai (like ogier and tinkers) could take any class they wanted besides, but what player would take the armsman class? Take a bunch of useless feats and stuff? I suppose most Aes Sedai would be wanderers or nobles. Some other traditions (such as Asha'man) would fit in the armsman and woodsman mold.
Another thing that might help with balance if that doesn't seem fair, is to allow channelers to only take levels in non-heroic classes, though that seems weird. You know, advance as a diplomat, expert, or warrior, or even commoner.
But yeah, let's say you're a noble with a minor bloodline. By third level, you need to take a leveel of "Channeler," which gives you nothing except your Constitution modifier in hit points and the ability to, at 4th level, take the +2 bonus to Weavesight and the weaves (4 0-level weaves and 1 1st-level weave plus modifiers; your first time being able to channel weaves). At eighth level, you start aging more slowly, and gain an additional 1st-level weave per day. By 11th level, you need to have taken another level in "Channeler," again only gaining your Constitution modifier in hit points, and the ability to continnue gaining the rest of the abilities. All this time, you are taking levels in noble, or possibly cross-classing or taking a prestige class.
I wasn't really considering the channeling prestige classes when I made this class. If there are any problems with gaining levels in those, lemme know. I figure major channelers should be able to become Aes Sedai at 5th level, intermediates at 10th level, and minors at 20th, hopefully.
People with a bloodline can take channeling feats no matter how minor or major.
I'm sure this doesn't clear everything up, but hopefully it clears a few things up.


--------------------
This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai. Older than anybody using the One Power. Old as humankind. Old as wolves.

Current Projects:
Encounters Handbook

Homepage:
Town Center Productions
It's funny!

Also check out my Wheel of Time RPG Website!
It's not as funny as Town Center Productions
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
Ashamans_Warder
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 09:11 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Elder Scholar
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 189
Member No.: 124
Joined: 3-April 04



I think you should use Charisma over Intelligence in the Minor and Moderate Bloodlines. It's a more universal channeling stat.

Edit: Sorry: I for some reason thought Initiates used Int and Cha, while Wilders used Wis and Cha.

This post has been edited by Ashamans_Warder on Aug 1 2004, 12:49 AM


--------------------
Playing: Jahar Enaubrim

"Mr. de Ayora! Why is it that you persist?"

"Because... I just don't like you!"

Luke de Ayora, "Zion Rave", The Matrix Has You.

-bomb- sent you.

The cruelest punishment that the Great Lord of the Dark could impose on Rand is to make him the star of his very own comedic anime, and give him an all-female cast.
Mini ProfilePMEmail PosterMSN
Top
drothgery
Posted: Jul 29 2004, 09:39 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Elder Scholar
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 153
Member No.: 25
Joined: 15-January 04



QUOTE (Ashamans_Warder @ Jul 29 2004, 11:11 AM)
I think you should use Charisma over Intelligence in the Minor and Moderate Bloodlines. It's a more universal channeling stat.

Wisdom is the most universal; it's used by everyone.

But the biggest problem, if you're scratching the channeling classes entirely, is that even the major bloodline gives you nowhere near enough channeling feats to be an effective channeler.


--------------------
Mini ProfilePMEmail PosterUsers Website
Top
Two Rivers Wolfbrother
Posted: Jul 30 2004, 07:13 AM
Report PostQuote Post


Great Fang
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 374
Member No.: 20
Joined: 15-January 04



If you have the bloodline you can take the feats. Even minor channelers can take channeling feats at 1st, 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th, 15th, and 18th levels. Plus they get feats handed to them by the bloodline.


--------------------
This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai. Older than anybody using the One Power. Old as humankind. Old as wolves.

Current Projects:
Encounters Handbook

Homepage:
Town Center Productions
It's funny!

Also check out my Wheel of Time RPG Website!
It's not as funny as Town Center Productions
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
drothgery
Posted: Jul 30 2004, 04:05 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Elder Scholar
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 153
Member No.: 25
Joined: 15-January 04



QUOTE (Two Rivers Wolfbrother @ Jul 29 2004, 09:13 PM)
If you have the bloodline you can take the feats. Even minor channelers can take channeling feats at 1st, 3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th, 15th, and 18th levels. Plus they get feats handed to them by the bloodline.

That's nowhere near enough, though. The reason why initiates get one freebie every other level (plus one at first level), wilders get one freebie every three levels, and both get a free talent and affinity to start with is because they need a lot them to be effective.

It's probably also worth noting that even qualifying for the channeling PrCs is quite painful in this system. Unless you're a Tar Valoner, you'll have to spend a feat on Cosmopolitan (Concentration) if you want to meet the pre-reqs before level 13. And if you're from a background that doesn't offer Cosmopolitan as Background Feat, well, you're SOL.


--------------------
Mini ProfilePMEmail PosterUsers Website
Top
Aleshandre
Posted: Jul 30 2004, 04:14 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Wielder of Callandor, Master and Commander of the Ashaman
*****

Group: Moderators
Posts: 222
Member No.: 18
Joined: 15-January 04



I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I don't like it. I personally favor 7th stat over bloodlines. I also have been playtesting Sharn's new channeling system and I find it works very well.


--------------------
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
Two Rivers Wolfbrother
Posted: Jul 30 2004, 09:11 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Great Fang
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 374
Member No.: 20
Joined: 15-January 04



Like I said, it was an idea. People often complain about how book-aligned stuff is, and with a LOT of work, this MIGHT be a DECENT system. There's a reason I didn't originally post it. I don't really think it's great myself. I just thought I'd throw it out there.
Basically, the ONLY reason I wrote this is because I was trying to come up with a way for there to be weak channelers and strong channelers besides having a high score in whatever attribute.
Thanks for your feedback thus far. Maybe the special abilities (all the abilities gained at even levels on the major bloodline) should all become bonus feats that the player can choose, and Slow Aging could itself be a feat. That might work. Maybe.


--------------------
This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai. Older than anybody using the One Power. Old as humankind. Old as wolves.

Current Projects:
Encounters Handbook

Homepage:
Town Center Productions
It's funny!

Also check out my Wheel of Time RPG Website!
It's not as funny as Town Center Productions
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
Kakita Aramoro
Posted: Jul 30 2004, 10:22 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Elder Scholar
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 167
Member No.: 74
Joined: 1-February 04



I personaly don't like bloodlines, not the concept itself, just the whole thing of having to give up a level every so often to be able to advance. to me it should be more like the second eddition kits, they gave you a 10% penalty to your xp in exchange for extra goodies. and Ive read through a lot of complaints of the 6th stat thrown into the system, Cha, as a useless sink to which they have relagated skills that should be in either inteligence or wisdom, and assigned spellcasting that does not belong there. oh well, sory about the rant biggrin.gif
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
Sharn Penndroen
Posted: Jul 30 2004, 10:55 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Lemming Extraordinare
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 316
Member No.: 15
Joined: 15-January 04



I'll not go off topic defending the validity of Cha as a stat as well as a useful ability and not a "useless sink."

Refering to Bloodlines, whether or not I like them or not, is irrelevant. TRWB has presented them for those that would like them. As far as Bloodlines go I think you are doing a good job and are getting some good feedback on how to fine tune it.

I just wanted to jump in a defend what TRWB is doing. He started by saying, "It may not be the best system, but I am doing this at the request of other." Or something to that effect. Even though I personally would never use this system, others might. TRWB might never use this system, but he is working it out for other who might choose this as their channeling system.

Anyway, keep it up TRWB, you're doing a good job with this.


--------------------
It's like the blank stares of a million pairs of blind eyes.
Mini ProfilePMEmail PosterUsers WebsiteYahooMSN
Top
Aleshandre
Posted: Jul 31 2004, 12:43 AM
Report PostQuote Post


Wielder of Callandor, Master and Commander of the Ashaman
*****

Group: Moderators
Posts: 222
Member No.: 18
Joined: 15-January 04



I just had to say that I don't like them in response to the description. I was unwilling to resist. I am really not familiar with the bloodlines concept, because I don't have Unearthed Arcana, so my prefference is really prejudicial, rather than educated.


--------------------
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
bmtc
Posted: Jul 31 2004, 12:48 AM
Report PostQuote Post


Learned Master
***

Group: Members
Posts: 41
Member No.: 169
Joined: 30-June 04



Concentration and composure ought to be class skills at some point.
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
Two Rivers Wolfbrother
Posted: Jul 31 2004, 02:23 AM
Report PostQuote Post


Great Fang
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 374
Member No.: 20
Joined: 15-January 04



Yeah, basically the way a bloodline works is you're born with certain abilities, so as you advance in levels, they show up.
For example, let's say you somehow have trolloc blood in you. Over time, as you advance in levels, that trolloc bloodline will give you certain traits of a trolloc, and also some physical traits that betray your lineage. The stronger the bloodline in you, the more traits you gain, and also the more trolloc-ish you'd look.
My wolfbrother and channeler bloodlines bend that rule in that it's not a twist on a race, but more like a gene that's carried. It's supposed to give you these advantages as you gain experience.
The reason you have to give up a level every so often is because otherwise it'd be even more unbalanced.
But yeah, like I said, they're really there to allow weak, average, and powerful channelers, and also reasoning that channeling is something that you're either born with or you're not.
Thanks for your input everyone!


--------------------
This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai. Older than anybody using the One Power. Old as humankind. Old as wolves.

Current Projects:
Encounters Handbook

Homepage:
Town Center Productions
It's funny!

Also check out my Wheel of Time RPG Website!
It's not as funny as Town Center Productions
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
Guest_Zarozynia
Posted: Jul 31 2004, 02:32 AM
Report PostQuote Post


Unregistered









I like what you're doing here TRWB, and this is what I have been thinking of in terms of channelers during the Age of Legends since almost all of them had other professions which would definately require another full class to accomplish them. Maybe, to satisfy the "not enough feats" person, you could have them get an extra channeling feat at the levels where they have to take one in channeler, this differs from the original bloodline idea, but channeling is definately a different look at a bloodline trait anyways, since it doesn't come from some magical animal background or whatever. biggrin.gif

You dont mind if I adapt and use for my AoL campaign do you? Full credit, of course, would go to you. wink.gif
Top
Two Rivers Wolfbrother
Posted: Jul 31 2004, 05:19 AM
Report PostQuote Post


Great Fang
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 374
Member No.: 20
Joined: 15-January 04



Use it, by all means. Hey, it wasn't an entire waste after all! Yay!


--------------------
This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai. Older than anybody using the One Power. Old as humankind. Old as wolves.

Current Projects:
Encounters Handbook

Homepage:
Town Center Productions
It's funny!

Also check out my Wheel of Time RPG Website!
It's not as funny as Town Center Productions
Mini ProfilePMEmail Poster
Top
Zarozynia
Posted: Aug 5 2004, 07:25 PM
Report PostQuote Post


Seer of Darkness
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 257
Member No.: 131
Joined: 10-April 04



Good! biggrin.gif

I'm getting closer and closer to the date that my characters will past through the doorway of need and into the Age of Legends so I need to come up with a few more definate Age of Legends rules. That one works very well.


--------------------
Legends of Darkness Are Not Always Myths - An Ongoing experiment in writing/illustration/mythology

Photographia

Temple of the Goat - a philisophical weblog

Diynen'd'ma'purvene - A Wheel of Time resource with backgrounds, feats, house rules, a vit/wound point system and an Age of Legends campaign setting (in the works)
Mini ProfilePMEmail PosterUsers WebsiteAOL
Top
Zarozynia
Posted: Aug 21 2004, 07:46 AM
Report PostQuote Post


Seer of Darkness
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 257
Member No.: 131
Joined: 10-April 04



TRW, I have my version of the channeler bloodline on-line now at the site.

http://www.legendsofdarkness.com/onepower.html

I'd love to know what you think of my changes.

biggrin.gif


--------------------
Legends of Darkness Are Not Always Myths - An Ongoing experiment in writing/illustration/mythology

Photographia

Temple of the Goat - a philisophical weblog

Diynen'd'ma'purvene - A Wheel of Time resource with backgrounds, feats, house rules, a vit/wound point system and an Age of Legends campaign setting (in the works)
Mini ProfilePMEmail PosterUsers WebsiteAOL
Top
1 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
1 Members: Zinuk

Topic Options Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll