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Entropic_existence
Posted: Sep 6 2004, 06:34 PM
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If anyone recalls the legend of the Fisher King is actually part of our mythology, in particular from the Grail Romances of the Middle Ages as well as older Celtic mythology. The Fisher King was the keeper of the Holy Grail (also known by an older name of Sangraal or alternatively spelt Sangreal) and his health was linked to that of the land. He was old and sick, and thus the land was sick, etc, etc.


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Posted: Sep 10 2004, 01:42 AM
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If it wasn't in Le Mort D'Arthur I don't know about it.

Anyway, I'd like to point out that we have no such game. Yet we should be right ahead of the AoL. I therefore propose another very simple solution:
None of this makes any sense at all. Congratulations we've just hit Zen Budhism.


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Posted: Sep 11 2004, 12:28 AM
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But we don't need to have a copy of the game because no one in AoI knows how to play that game was lost with the AoL only Moridin remembers.
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Posted: Sep 13 2004, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE (Entropic_existence @ Sep 6 2004, 11:34 AM)
If anyone recalls the legend of the Fisher King is actually part of our mythology, in particular from the Grail Romances of the Middle Ages as well as older Celtic mythology. The Fisher King was the keeper of the Holy Grail (also known by an older name of Sangraal (or alternatively spelt Sangreal) and his health was linked to that of the land. He was old and sick, and thus the land was sick, etc, etc.



yes here is a decent overview of the legend at

http://www.uidaho.edu/student_orgs/arthurian_legend/grail/fisher/

Angraal and Sa'angreal hmmmm coincidence I think not

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Posted: Sep 13 2004, 08:52 PM
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Um...kay...getting back to the original part...
I can't tell in all of the million replies if anyone hit on this...but RJ gives the 3rd age TWO names
Time of Illusions
Age of Prophecy


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Posted: Sep 14 2004, 12:46 AM
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Where did we get Age of Prophecy, I definatly missed that.

If there are two different ages that we are reading about the age of prophecy would be the pre Rand time, a time of lost people, and the Age of Illusion would be the age he is building, but I can't remember who called it the Age of Prophecy. I know Moraine calles it the Age of Illusions in the first book and the Sea Folk refer to it as the Age of Illusions.

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Posted: Sep 14 2004, 01:38 AM
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Woah, wait.

Can i get a quote on Moiraine refering to the current age as the Age or Time of Illusions? smile.gif

chapter and quoted words would be great smile.gif

can i get one from the person that says the term Age of Prophecy has been used?

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Posted: Sep 14 2004, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (TwangCat @ Jul 18 2004, 04:59 AM)
Anyways I've just been going through the Great Hunt of the Horn book recently (audio book so I can't site a reference) but Moraine refers to the current part of the 3rd age as "a time in which illusions will be revealed" or something like that and it struck me as another point for calling this the Age of Illusions. Knowing Robert Jordan as well as we all do I suspect that speculation on her part was not put in by chance.

unfortunatly that's all I have and I don't have time right now to go hunting through the book for the quote. Sorry
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Posted: Sep 14 2004, 11:40 PM
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Something important about that game: For it to exist in the AoL and for it to have been based on Rand (however loosely) the legend and idea would have to go through us. We have no such game, we have nothing like that game.


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Posted: Sep 15 2004, 12:14 AM
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Well we wouldn't have to 'know' it was based on rand and the figure described has some elements in common with our figure for 'justice' maybe in the past Rand was equated with Justice. That would give us the figure of the fisher, and someone previously said we had a fisher king myth. I don't see any reason why a game couldn't be built around thos two concepts at a later date.
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Posted: Sep 15 2004, 08:45 PM
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Some part of the game itself would have to exist here and now. We have identified the Fisher King as potentially the source of the piece Moridin considers. However we have no reason for the blindfold or the clutching his side. Equating the fisher king with Justice makes little to no sense. And the game itself, why would there be such a game in the first place. I don't think the Fisher King really warrants such a prominent piece in the game. And then there's the idea of it being linked to Rand, how? We've got nothing like this.


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Posted: Sep 15 2004, 10:45 PM
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Remember that the game pieces are made from humans. That means that it would have to be made by groups that are either involved in a pagan religion that includes human sacrifice as part of the worship or by Satanic worshipers. In either case, such a game would not be a well known thing even with internet, because in most countries, taking human life even in religious practices is illegal, so it would be underground. As to where the roots of the legend comes from, we are left to speculate, because although it may be a product of this age, its sources would be fading myths from a previous age.


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Posted: Sep 15 2004, 10:55 PM
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Newsflash: Satanism has a total of half-a-dozen followers. No one really believes in it, its an invention of Christianity to make itself look better. As for Paganism, wtf? What's that supposed to mean?! That's not even really a religion, its just a term used by fanatics to describe followers of other religions!
In any event in this day and age we have no true mysticism. A board game would not involve anything like it. We mass produce Quiji boards, but no sane person takes them seriously. Such a game or the legend behind it would be well known to us.


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Posted: Sep 15 2004, 11:50 PM
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Actually, paganism is a group of religions (specifically any non-judeo-christian-islamic religion) that worship any god or gods or nature. Many Christians use the term in a derogatory manner because they don't understand the religions.

Satanic worship is actually an offshoot of Christianity where adherents belive in Jesus Christ and Satan and conciously choose to worship Satan in hopes of gaining great power as fast as possible and perhaps overthrowing God at the last day. As to the actual number of adherents to that religion, I don't know, but it is the only religion other than some pagan religions that would practice human sacrifice or mutilation, so regardless of the number, it is the only other group that would likely create the game that Moridin plays.


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Posted: Sep 16 2004, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE (Axel @ Sep 15 2004, 01:45 PM)
Some part of the game itself would have to exist here and now. We have identified the Fisher King as potentially the source of the piece Moridin considers. However we have no reason for the blindfold or the clutching his side. Equating the fisher king with Justice makes little to no sense. And the game itself, why would there be such a game in the first place. I don't think the Fisher King really warrants such a prominent piece in the game. And then there's the idea of it being linked to Rand, how? We've got nothing like this.

The Fisher King or the Grail Keeper, now called King, serves as priest. Shortly after, he receives a mysterious wound, variously said to be in the thighs or the genitals, caused by a spear and attributed to one of several different causes among which are the loss of faith, the love of a woman against a vow of chastity , or an accidental blow struck by a stranger in self-defense.

this is a common inturpritaion of the fisher king myth as quoted at the site i mentioned earlier


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Posted: Sep 16 2004, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE (TwangCat @ Sep 13 2004, 10:46 PM)
Where did we get Age of Prophecy, I definatly missed that.

If there are two different ages that we are reading about the age of prophecy would be the pre Rand time, a time of lost people, and the Age of Illusion would be the age he is building, but I can't remember who called it the Age of Prophecy. I know Moraine calles it the Age of Illusions in the first book and the Sea Folk refer to it as the Age of Illusions.

nope...actually...It really is the Third age...at leat one name for it


The obvious answer...
From the Back Cover of Eye of the World:
The Wheel of Time turns and Ages come and go, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth returns again. In the Third Age, an Age of Prophecy, the World and Time themselves hang in the balance. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the Shadow.

It also mentions it in the books...but I don't have the page number yet...

Of course we all know where AoI comes from...and it has MUCH later references to it. If you do searches on both, AoI has three hits...AoP has well over a hundred. So yes, it's out there, it has been used for quite some time...on the backs of the books too no less...check your EotW!


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Posted: Sep 16 2004, 01:51 AM
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Sara, thanks for the EotW reference.... I'll check my book.

I just dont like it when people throw around 'well ya know the books say this' or 'so and so said' without giving reference to it smile.gif
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Posted: Sep 16 2004, 01:58 AM
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Actually the game Moridin was musing over with the Fisher KIng, and the game with the human game peices are too completely different games. The One witht he once human game peices is called zara and we only saw it through another forsaken's eyes (greandal when in Sammeal's apartments I believe), if they were the same game RJ would have said something given zara had been mentioned earlier.


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"Paganism" doesn't mean anything. Now if you are refering to the group of religions now know as Wicca, I can assure you they're harmless. For the most part they're a mix of early Druidic and Toaist beliefs, although the actual religions are very disorganized leading to a great deal of personal variants. Some follow a mother goddess, some feel the universe is its own god, some feel there is no god.
As for satanism, it isn't a real religion. You wanna know how many people in the last 2000 years have been harmed by satanists? 0. Not a single person has been harmed by satanists in two millenia, why? Because there aren't any!
The only noteworthy existing religions that regularly practice human sacrifice, torture, and mutilation are Christianity and Islam. That's right. For over a thousand years Christians consciencously sought out followers of other religions to torture and finally murder. Muslims and Christians slaughtered thousands of each other in petty arguments over tribal god images (the Crusades). Now a small group of Islamic fanatics is continuing this cycle of hate.

In any event, we've got nothing like that game. Nor do we have much that it can be based on. The blindfold, why? The game itself, why? What today could that game be derived from, for it to last as long as it did it must have some significance, yet we have little to compare to.


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Back to the Ages anyway. I had some thoughts and I've got an Age sequence I'd like to run by you:
1. Age of Legends- Using the one power mankind ushers in an era of peace and prosperity. Advances are made, diseases irradicated, and the standard of living rises. The Aes Sedai allow all to live in comfort. Then the Dark One is found.
2. Age of Darkness- Begining with the release of the Dark One from his prison. Have you ever had one of those days? When things just go wrong from the start, and even when they start looking up they end up bad. Its one of those. The War of the Power tears apart the world and then the Breaking rearranges it. Finally it looks like everything's over and the people begin rebuilding. Great cities are constructed when the Trolloc Wars begin. Even more is lost when finally the threat is driven back and the people again try to rebuild.
3. Age of Prophecy- After the end of the Trolloc Wars most of the knowledge from the Age of Legends was lost. People were sent back to a primitive time and for centuries lived, squabbled, and died in much the same way. Artur Hawkwing would unite the continent and then die, and the petty squabbles would begin again. After centuries of petty bickering amongst themselves the people are forced to unite behind the Dragon Reborn and defeat the forces of the Dark One at Tar'mon Gai'don.
4. Age of Light- With the Dark One sealed away and his forces extinguished people seem free to grow. For centuries they build and learn, advancing beyond what they had lost in the Trolloc Wars. Only the briefest glimmer would remain of the Age of Darkness, and so the people would grow without fear. But as the people learned they forgot. The channelers would slowly vanish from the world and technology would take their place.
5. Age of Wars- With the Power lost and only vaguely remembered the peopel would forget the dangers that lay outside reality. They fight and squabble and bicker for centuries over matters of little to no importance. Along the way their technology ever increases.
6. Age of Fear- Finally weapons of such devastating scope are developed that people are forced, unwillingly, to peace. They are forced to find peace, but that peace is uneasy and there are always those who seek to destroy it. Finally just when it seems that the world will tear itself apart, the peoples of the world find a new group to hate....
7. Age of Discovery- The power is rediscovered and those who can use it face persecution and fear. Finally from this the people manage to accept the channelers and with their help society manages to change....


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