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Kaimus |
Posted: Nov 3 2004, 08:15
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Llewin may have mentioned somewhere around here that
we're building a story based at the beginning of the Trolloc Wars.
Somewhere along the line the words "Sword Bard" came up and we started
brainstorming (which is pleasantly challenging while engaged in WWII in
Axis and Allies). Is it plausible to think that in this time period humans may have retained some form of "singing" (as the Ogier do) that could...meld the dynamics of battles? As a rough example, say the Woodsman/Bard Rylen begins a song during battle that allows his party to attack faster or see father, etc? The mechanics of such a prestige class would be incredibly fun and not entirely difficult to put together, but we're in need of external input. Anyone? Kaimus |
Entropic_existence |
Posted: Nov 3 2004, 08:45
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Only Aiel "had the voice" in the Age of Legends and
with the Ogier and Nym did field singing in order to quicken growth of
crops, etc. I'm of the opinion that the Sword Bard was just that, a
warrior (probably also a blademaster from the anecdotes on the guy) who
happened to be a Bard as well. So he fought in the battles then sang the
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Two Rivers Wolfbrother |
Posted: Nov 3 2004, 09:29
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I think if you gave them non-magical powers, and
stick to non-magical, you'll be fine. Sorta like a William Wallace-type
inspirational speaker as well as an inspiring musical performer, inspiring
people along the lines of battle preparedness, courage, and passion.
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Kaimus |
Posted: Nov 4 2004, 12:10
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That's covered (although badly) in the Commander prestige class, no? I was definately thinking more magical-based. Not to nitpick, but can you point me to the section in the series that says the Aiel were the only ones? I'd like to reread that. Kaimus | ||
Llewin |
Posted: Nov 4 2004, 12:22
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Regarding it being *only* aiel I know there is some evidence for this but what of LTT's comment in the prologue of TEOTW ...he asks if ishy will be joining them for 'the singing' or something along those lines, and then says that all are welcome... |
Entropic_existence |
Posted: Nov 4 2004, 05:19
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The instance of seed singing we saw was from Rand's
experience in the glass columns of Rhuidean when he went through his
ancestors lives. One of them is when the War of the Shadow was just ending
and a group of Da'shain Aiel, Ogier, and Someshta are Singing for one of
the fields. Form that and other clues I;ve always had the feeling that the
Talent tended to reside within the Aiel, although given LTT's comments it
is quite possible that wasn't so and any Human could be born with the
Voice, perhpas it was just more common among the Aiel. As was said if you stick with non-magical abilities I think you'll be fine, and yes the Commander does have moral bonuses that he can give in battle and such. You could model the Bard on the DnD Bard but just use non-magical type explanations for the ability, having something akin to Seed/Tree Singing but affecting the hearts and minds of people just seems a little out of place to me personally. but it is your game so go ahead and go for it if you wish by all means ![]() -------------------- What is dead can never
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Sharn Penndroen |
Posted: Nov 4 2004, 05:50
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Depends on your take of what is meant. Could be most
anything. Quillion did a Sword Bard PrC for the Shadow Made Flesh (Trolloc
Wars Campaign). The thing is the term Bard is used in WoT. Thom talks
about being a Court Bard. Asmodean calls himself Rand's bard. That's why
I'm in the favor of not really "magical." If someone has the Shadow Made
Flesh stuff that PrC might be in it. Otherwise hopefully Steve still has
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MagusRogue |
Posted: Nov 4 2004, 05:56
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the historical definition of a bard is a storyteller
and musician, often for gold, and usually of a court or the like. Scalds
are bards for the Norse/Celtic cultures. Gleemen technically are bards,
but differ from Court Bards in the fact their art is considered "lower."
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Zarozynia |
Posted: Nov 4 2004, 06:35
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As for the ability being anything like Seed Singing
of the Daishan Aiel, by the middle of the breaking of the world, the
Daishan had forgotten the ability to sing...hence the people that would
eventually become the Tuatha'an breaking off to find the song that their
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Entropic_existence |
Posted: Nov 5 2004, 12:08
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Exactly guys, which is why I also disagreed with any
magical sense to the class. Bards are Bards, nothing supernatural about
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MagusRogue |
Posted: Nov 5 2004, 12:37
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IF you do a class for bards, though, they should have
the Gleeman Music and Virtusoso powers, as well as a Favors system, to
represent the fact that they sing for kings and queens. my own 2 cents
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Axel |
Posted: Nov 5 2004, 01:25
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Why a special class? I'd say a few levels of Armsman,
a few from Commander, and a few from Gleeman. Boom: Swordbard!
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Entropic_existence |
Posted: Nov 5 2004, 02:34
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*nod* although I think Sword-Bard could be an
interesting Prestige Class, I;ve always been all about having lots of
choice in prestige classes to save on tons of multiclassing. And Magus I
agree with the abilities/Feats you suggested.
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Llewin |
Posted: Nov 5 2004, 03:57
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OK. here's where I'm coming from... The Voice is only an option and I still think based on LTT's comment in the EOTW prologue that the Voice was NOT limited to aiel...it wouldnt make sense for him to ask if the visitor has The Voice and *then* to say 'all are welcome' to join in the singing.... But i'm not stuck on that. As to 'why a special class' well when i see someone described in the books as given a title 'Sword bard, and Warder to [such and such aes sedai lady]' (i'm paraphrasing closely here... it strikes me as sounding like a title, there for an official profession or mastery or some such, and if they guy's also a Warder...he should be able to kick the ass too right? ![]() |
Entropic_existence |
Posted: Nov 5 2004, 08:23
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-People without the Voice did go to the singing
ceremonies, this was infered in the Rhuidean Memories that Rand had. I
think the seed singing were community type events where everyone went and
celebrated the bringing into the world of new life to feed the
masses,etc. -It's possible the Voice was not limited only to the Aiel, but we definitly know it occured among the Aiel, and in my opinion was more prevalent among them. -I like having a special class, we've had some good suggesstions for abilities I just wouldn't make them have anything overtly "supernatural" like the Voice, it just doesn't seem to fit very well IMHO. -------------------- What is dead can never
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Llewin |
Posted: Nov 5 2004, 09:14
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OK. So general consensus then would be something like
a mix of the commander prestige the gleeman prestige and the blademaster
prestige? lol...that about right? ![]() |
Entropic_existence |
Posted: Nov 5 2004, 09:25
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Yea sounds about right to me ![]() -------------------- What is dead can never
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Axel |
Posted: Nov 6 2004, 01:47
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Screw the blademaster bit, just Commander and
Gleeman. He'll more than likely be taking the PrC from Armsman, that's all
the heavy combat he needs. Besides why add extra stuff just to dilute the
important abilities? -------------------- Honorary Paladin of the Lawful Naughty If I seem to hate the d20 system, its only because I hate the system. Actually I just hate 3e, its biased me against the system. I rather like WoT. |
Sharn Penndroen |
Posted: Nov 6 2004, 01:51
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I agree with Axel.
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Entropic_existence |
Posted: Nov 6 2004, 04:13
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I'd try and throw in some original abilities too,
don't just want it to be an amalgam of Gleeman and Commander straight out.
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