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Posted: Oct 1 2004, 08:27 PM
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I was thinking today about Wise One weaves. What kinds of weaves do they use, and how is their weave selection different from the Aes Sedai? If I had to make it up, I'd probably select social weaves, such as some conjuncture and illusion weaves, have some healing weaves, some wards, and posibly a couple (or two, or maybe a pair) of elementalism weaves. What would you guys all have to say?


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Posted: Oct 1 2004, 09:46 PM
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Well, we know they know Fireball....it was the first weave they taught Aviendha.

I would tend to think their weave selections would be mostly utilitarian. What would be useful to a Wise One in a normal, non-traveling Wise One's life? Create fire, Light, Dry (useful for pulling moisture from the arid air), Arms of Air, Tool of Air, Circle of Silence, Dream Shielding, Voice of Power, Mirror of Mists (possibly? - good for intimidation), Bond First-Sister, and Warmth.

A Wise One interested in Healing may know Heal, Cleanse, Renew, and/or Delve. Maybe some would be strong in Earth for Earth Delve. I can see Harness the Wind being a possibility as well.

If you're interested in new weaves, I'd think the area to look for the creation of new weaves would be in the Healing realm of childbirth stuff. We already saw their use of Caressing the Child. It's easy to conjecture that they would also have Midwife-style weaves for easing the mother's pain (if deemed necessary - I can see Aiel women embracing the pain), an after-birth version of Caressing the Child to determine the child's well-being without being dangerously invasive as an adult-version weave, etc. I can also see some really creative uses of Earth and Air weaves, as they are both plentiful in the Waste.

Granted, just my thoughts on the matter...
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Posted: Oct 1 2004, 09:54 PM
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That's very helpful, thank you.


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Posted: Oct 2 2004, 06:15 AM
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Thats interesting, because what jumps out most to me, as obviously needed by aiel, anyway... would be weaves involving water smile.gif

Seems like anything that would make finding water, drawing up water, purifying water, etc. would be very much in their training...

also... one thing to possibly think about, not all wise ones can channel....and their ability with the one power has nothing to do with their status among wise ones or other aiel
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Posted: Oct 2 2004, 06:31 AM
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Good points Llewin.
Basically, I'm thinking of what sorts of weaves to write for a future Weaves and Angreals feature for my site. I like for them to be themed, and one theme will be weaves and angreals of the Wise Ones.
But yeah, I think you're right. Finding water and such is definately important. Childbirth weaves too. Good stuff. Thanks for the input.


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Posted: Oct 3 2004, 02:10 PM
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I think that wise one apprentices are people that have one of the latent abilities feats from the back of the book dream walking, fortelling etc.. and the full fledged wised ones are the ones with the full ability


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Posted: Oct 3 2004, 07:11 PM
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I don't think you need to have latent abilities to be a Wise One. Does Sevanna have any latent abilities. You don't even need to channel, so far as I know.
And I think that just because you have a full-fledged ability with Dream Walking doesn't mean you're a Wise One. There are other tests and stuff, such as Rhuidean.


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Posted: Oct 3 2004, 07:35 PM
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TRW, Savannah is not a Wise One, nor will she ever be. She WAS a roughmistress, and she has made the Shaido Wise Ones treat her as a Wise One, but she has never been to Rhuidean, not once, and definately not twice.

That said, I agree with you that you probably dont need to have a latent talent to be a Wise One. I think that that is probably the most common reason that a woman is chosen to be a Wise One (because she is either a latent dreamer or a Sparker) but woman with the proper additude to be a Wise One would probably be singled out and apprenticed.


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Posted: Oct 3 2004, 09:41 PM
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Sevanna's not a Wise One? Huh. I didn't know that.
But we digress. Thanks for all the input, all. It's been very informative for me so far.


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Posted: Oct 4 2004, 12:13 AM
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Sevanna was not raised a Wise One by standard procedure; she coerced the other Shiado Wise Ones into choosing her despite having served no apprenticeship and never going to Rhuidien. However, she's still a Wise One, for the same reason that the Supergirls (-Aviendha; +Theodrin & Faolain) are Aes Sedai.

Since I'm pretty sure it was said straight out somewhere that only about 2/3 of Wise Ones can channel, and only one of them (Bair) is a non-channeling Dreamwalker (Seana was, but she's dead), there are a lot of Wise Ones without any supernatural abilities.

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Posted: Oct 4 2004, 11:39 PM
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ah...interesting tidbit I noticed last night in CoT, according to Aviendha, the Wise One did not know any healing weaves until they were taught them by Nynaeve and some of the Kin in Caemlyn. So healing weaves, probably not a go there, TRW. I can get you the refence page number, if you want it.

Although they did also saw that Caressing the Child was very CLOSE to a healing weave, but that's as close as they came.


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Posted: Oct 4 2004, 11:47 PM
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Maybe they know some Healing weaves but not some of the ones we'd consider obvious choices from that Talent, such as Heal.


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Posted: Oct 4 2004, 11:53 PM
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I'm not sure that I remember any of the weaves that the Wise Ones have ever used, other than mention of Caressing the Child. That and the Fireballs and Lightning they used at Dumai's Wells.

I also can't recall if they did any channelling when the Shadowspawn attacked the Hold where Rand was staying while in the Three-Fold Land.

They probably know a few conjunction ones, like Sense Shadowspawn and maybe a few of the Warding ones, but as I said, from my recollection there's very little in the way of information about what they use it for.
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Posted: Oct 9 2004, 02:58 PM
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Weaves should be annything imediately usefull and down-to-earth. Not to much as fancy as Aes-Sedai except in some regions along the lines of the down to earth kinda things like childbirth etc. Where they do know something they know it well expecially if it's something Aes-Sedai don't know it seems.
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Posted: Oct 9 2004, 03:07 PM
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Wise Ones don't seem to have anything agaisnt lobbing fireballs though....


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Posted: Oct 18 2004, 09:31 AM
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TRW, Savannah is not a Wise One, nor will she ever be. She WAS a roughmistress


sorry cant help myself.


Z she WAS a Roof mistress not a roughmistress.

Do Aiel have prostitutes?

if so she'd qualify biggrin.gif

in that case she could be a RoughMistress.

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Posted: Oct 18 2004, 04:02 PM
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*laughs*
yeah...she's not really a Wise One but that's what they're calling her since
1. the Shaido currently have no chief
2. She has pretty much declared herself chief because
A. She is the widow of the guy who failed the Chief test
B. She married Couladin (who with Asmo's help pretended to be He Who Comes With The Dawn) who liked to think he was the chief of chiefs
C. She just wants to be chief
3. The Aiel have no female chiefs so Savanna has declared herself a Wise One (the only rank besides Roofmistress (which she actually would be, if the Shaido went home and stopped invading Randland) and Da'Tsang (you know, the ones lower than vermin?) that she could claim to be. Also, the one she has the least claim to.
4. She has said that when they have a chief again (when they go back to Rhuidean...like that will happen) she'll step down...
5. We all know she wants to marry Rand (again, like that will ever happen...he's already got three women with less VDs)

And yes, I think she's a Rough Mistress! Darn it...she sleeps with anyone who even looks like he might intimidate cockroaches!


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