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Glenn711
Posted: Feb 4 2004, 03:12 AM
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I was simply wondering if people considered being an initiate of the Kin a feasible background standpoint. I've seen no one mention anything about taking levels in initiate and solving the "White Tower situation". As far as I remember, the Kin could train channelers, though not with the precision that the White Tower could, thus somewhat defeating the point of the Initiate class. Of course, it's been about three years since I read Path of Daggers. Anyhow, appreciate all answers in advance. Danke.
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drothgery
Posted: Feb 4 2004, 03:19 AM
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There's no need for spoiler warnings; nothing metnioned in any book after A Crown of Swords has much affect on this, and that book's almost eight years old.

In any case, seeking out and training wilders and girls who could be taught is explicitly against the Rules of the Kin. A Kinswoman who has tried to learn on her own (like Sumeko) is about the only logical case for an initiate-turned-wilder; note that experimenting with the Power is also explicitly against the Rules of the Kin (Sumeko has been discipled for doing it anyway).

Kinswomen all trained in the White Tower, and are either runaways or women put out of the Tower (failing the tests for Accepted and the Shawl, or repeated violations of the rules are possible -- and likely for a PC -- but the overwhelming majority of Kin almost certainly were put out of the Tower due to lack of strength in the Power). That might be an interesting background for a character who wants to have a smattering of channeling ability (she starts as a first to fourth level initiate, then advances as something else the rest of the way), but not for someone who wants to be a 'pure' channeler.

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joshmvii
Posted: Feb 4 2004, 03:34 AM
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Thanks for correcting my misinformation there Drothgery. I was going on bad memory. ohmy.gif It's been a looong time since I read book 7.

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Posted: Feb 4 2004, 03:48 AM
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QUOTE (joshmvii @ Feb 4 2004, 03:34 AM)
Anyway, the reason I decided against letting this be used as a background is mainly that the initiate class represents those who can be taught to channel but will not learn on their own, which is not who the kin helped. They helped wilders who needed to learn how to control it more or less.

Umm... no.

1) The initiate class, as written, represents someone who is learning to channel under the guidance of a Tradition, whether she had the inborn ability or not. Egwene, Elayne, Moiraine, and Aviendha are all written as initiates, though they were all born with the spark that meant they would channel with or without training.

2) The Kin accept White Tower castoffs (runaways and women put out of the tower) and only White Tower castoffs. They explicitly do not accept wilders, or seek out girls who can be taught.


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LuciusT
Posted: Feb 4 2004, 01:59 PM
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Actually, I'm seriously considering the Kin as another tradition for Initiates in my campaign...

I have a friend who was trying to run PotD and had an Initiate PC who was a Tower runaway. I wrote a Kinswoman PrC so he could give her something to advance into... the idea being the Initiate PC began play as a Tower runaway, who found and joined the Kin and could eventually advance into the Kinswoman PrC.

I don't see any good reason you couldn't skip the first step and have a 1st level Initiate begin play as a former Tower initiate who ran away and successfully joined the Kin. We simply assume that the Kins self training is equivelent to the Towers training, save that a Kinswoman is unlikely to learn new weaves. In fact, since 1st level Initiates in the White Tower are considered Accepted, most of their training is self directed anyway... it's not that far a leap.

However, I've never tried it in play. I generally have very few PC channelers and the one I have now specifically wanted to be an Aes Sedai.
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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 01:50 AM
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I like the write up you made for the Kin. I think I would like to use it maybe after making a few adjustments of my own. Was about to start working on the Kin as a prestige class myself thx.


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