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Entropic_existence
Posted: Oct 24 2004, 04:42 PM
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And BTW, the Finn are not constructs, the book states that of the sentient beings on the Planet only Humans and Ogier are not constructs, but the Finn appear to live in a different reality/mirror world, which leads me to believe that they are not constructs. The Channelers in the Age of Legends probably just located them and built devices that allowed them to be contacted.


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Posted: Oct 24 2004, 04:53 PM
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As for the rest of the debate, in my opinion something other than Golem would be appropriate for a name, given that Gholam has already been used and pronunciaion is virtually identical. Construct would probably be better, although that could refer to all constructs, which as has been pointed out, the Nym, Trollocs, etc are all living constructs.

I do like the name Niveus came up with, using the Old Tongue definitly makes things feel more WoTish in my opinion.


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Posted: Oct 25 2004, 02:56 AM
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Somehow i missed all the posts between Zaro's getting upset and Ale responding until just now... sheesh..


Ok..

Old tongue name is exactly what i was thinking smile.gif

I didnt take the time to check the dictionary though, sorry (that is how i usually come up with an old tongue name though.

those without blood or heart is a great idea though. I like it a lot.

and i agree that these constructs could look like just about anything

as far as how long they could last in a statsis box...hmm... unless they could run on a ter-angreal well as well as on the one-power network in the age of legends then they wouldnt work at all in the age of illusions....

however i see no reason they couldnt have been made to work both ways.

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Posted: Oct 25 2004, 06:14 AM
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Erg...my first post got lost in the lovely bowels of my computer...
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I would like to say to everyone...CALM DOWN!
This is a project collecting HOUSE RULES, if you don't like one set, you can use another, We're actually formulating and collecting so many different systems that if one doesn't appeal, you can use another. You can pick and choose. The point is that we bring together many visions to reconstruct something that RJ has given us little to go on and will never fully explore. The point is to have enough material so that people can pick it over and choose what they like an have enough there to play a game in the setting.

If we can all behave civilly to each other and remember that RJ gave us little to go on, that it's only a game, and it's house rules...then I can get to my comments on the content.

I like the diversity of critters...we never meet more than the one golem so it is entirely possible that they are quite diverse

Yes, Finns are residents of another world, not constructs. I believe we've been through the arguement before.

I personally don't think robots are very RJ (though I get the impression that machines used for transport and labor would have decent AI, they don't strike me as important beyond background info), but I like bioandroids and cyborgy ideas...partial machines





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Posted: Oct 25 2004, 06:12 PM
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Just to clarify as far as the gholam go, RJ tells us through the POV (point of view) of some of the forsaken that there were only ever 6 gholam created, 3 male and 3 female, and the implication that they are all made the same, that being human form, sortof like a special greyman
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Posted: Oct 26 2004, 04:37 AM
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can you tell me where?
I don't recall it ever saying that they were completely identical, just made the same way (as constructs).


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Posted: Oct 26 2004, 05:52 AM
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I dont think it says identical, however when i read it i got the sense they were made in human form, 3 male, 3 female... it could just be that its how i took it though smile.gif
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Posted: Oct 26 2004, 06:00 AM
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That's how I take it as well.


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Posted: Oct 26 2004, 05:23 PM
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*nods* they can take human form...three female, three male...but I don't see anything about them besides that they can take those forms...and apparently one can go gooey and slip through cracks


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Posted: Oct 26 2004, 06:22 PM
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Hmm, it's interesting you would look at it that way, Sa'sara smile.gif

I just got the feeling that all of the gholam were the same, generally, they are all immune to the OP, they can all slip through cracks and they all drink blood, by the same token i assumed they all were made from human stock so their 'default form' was the body they had before they were distorted into killing machines...

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Posted: Nov 1 2004, 05:34 AM
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Evidence of 'non living' automatonic creations!

I found it in the wot encyclopedia...

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Forgers are thick, slow-moving man shapes that forge the black blades of Myrddraal on the slopes of Shayol Ghul. They are not truly alive and will crumble to dust if they leave Shayol Ghul.

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LoC,Prologue - At Shayol Ghul Demandred sees a forger at work quenching a sword in a helpless victim.


website: http://encyclopaedia-wot.org:8008/creatures/forger.html

Done and done , that should be enough to finish the arguement... if it can be done by the creatures of the dark one or by the forsaken for the dark one it can be done by the one power... balance in the univers and all that, yes?

have fun Z.

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Posted: Nov 1 2004, 08:17 AM
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Good job, Lewin. I had forgotten about that guy. It was a good scene in the book. Interesting that he has to be in that vecinity. A certain kind of True Power standing weave? It would support the idea that AoL automatons would operate on standing weaves. Any found in the current age would be non functional.


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Posted: Nov 1 2004, 06:52 PM
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quite true, or at least the majority of them would. I was also thinking wouldnt it be possible to replace the 'standing weave' system with a sortof ter'angreal "well" that acted as a battery power?
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Posted: Nov 2 2004, 02:51 AM
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yeah, but you would have to consantly recharge it of course. Like a battery. Would be an nice tool for a channeler.


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Posted: Nov 2 2004, 08:12 PM
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Somebody should make stats for them.


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