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Kakita Aramoro
Posted: Mar 28 2004, 06:08 PM
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in your link you have two bonus chanelling feats at lvl 1, you also say that you gain your path feat for free at lvl 1.

so at lvl one you have the following feats: (pls correct me if I'm not getting this)

1 background feat
2 the feat you get for being lvl 1
3 your path feat
4 one affinity
5 one talent
6 first bonus feat
7 second bonus feat

did I misunderstand?

I guess this is ok since youve done away with the weavesight bonus from initiate and the overchanelling bonus from wilder
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drothgery
Posted: Mar 28 2004, 06:38 PM
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That's right.

Relative to the Initiate, this class (with the Accepted path) has
  • d6 hit dice instead of d4
  • proficiency with quarterstaff
  • no weavesight ability
  • a bit more flexibility with bonus channeling feats (Self Motivated and certain Skill Emphasis feats are available as choices)
  • the ability to channel 1st-level cross-talent weaves
  • the benefits and costs of being part of a Tradition are more explicitly defined
  • Wis and Cha are the channeling stats, not Int and Wis.

Relative to the Wilder, this class (with the Self-Motivated path) has
  • Decipher Script and Diplomacy are class skills
  • Craft and Profession skills are not class skills
  • no proficiency with light armor, or with most weapons
  • the initiate weaves/day table (more high-level weaves at high levels, slightly slower access to high-level weaves, fewer low-level weaves at mid to high levels)
  • no overchanneling bonuses
  • a bit more flexibility with bonus channeling feats (Accepted and certain Skill Emphasis feats are available as choices)
  • no ability to channel 2nd-level cross-talent weaves
  • can gain rare or lost weaves


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Jonathan
Posted: Mar 28 2004, 07:42 PM
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Is this what you meant?
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     Base Attack Fort Ref  Will             ---- Spell ----
Lvl  Bonus       Save Save Save Special   0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
01   +0           +2   +0   +2  2 Feats   3 1 - - - - - - - -
02   +1           +3   +0   +3  Feat      4 2 - - - - - - - -
03   +1           +3   +1   +3  SlowAging 4 2 1 - - - - - - -
04   +2           +4   +1   +4  Feat      4 3 2 - - - - - - -
05   +2           +4   +1   +4            4 3 2 1 - - - - - -
06   +3           +5   +2   +5  Feat      4 3 3 2 - - - - - -
07   +3           +5   +2   +5            4 4 3 2 1 - - - - -
08   +4           +6   +2   +6  Feat      4 4 3 3 2 - - - - -
09   +4           +6   +3   +6            4 4 4 3 2 1 - - - -
10   +5           +7   +3   +7  Feat      4 4 4 3 3 2 - - - -
11   +5           +7   +3   +7            4 4 4 4 3 2 1 - - -
12   +6/+1        +8   +4   +8  Feat      4 4 4 4 3 3 2 - - -
13   +6/+1        +8   +4   +8            4 4 4 4 4 3 2 1 - -
14   +7/+2        +9   +4   +9  Feat      4 4 4 4 4 3 3 2 - -
15   +7/+2        +9   +5   +9            4 4 4 4 4 4 3 2 1 -
16   +8/+3       +10   +5  +10  Feat      4 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 2 -
17   +8/+3       +10   +5  +10            4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 2 1
18   +9/+4       +11   +6  +11  Feat      4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 2
19   +9/+4       +11   +6  +11            4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 3
20   +10/+5      +12   +6  +12  Feat      4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
I don't know... I kind of like the Wilder weave progression more.


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Targul
Posted: Mar 28 2004, 07:50 PM
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Ok I'm weighing in a little behind on this one. And I appreciate the effort to establish a Generic Channeler class. However, have you ever thought that the amount of feats that the Initiate and that your variant get, along with the ability to channel sets them up to take control of the game. They are far more powerful than any other class.

I like the Generic idea but I think it would maybe benefit your other players to cut back on the feats, maybe make one of the Good saves, into a Medium save. I might even be tempted to change the spell progression to that of the Wilder.

Just my two cents worth. I did in fact make similar changes in my game and in the times we have played since then I think the changes have proven more balancing.


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Posted: Mar 28 2004, 07:56 PM
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There are ways to cut back Channeler power, one way that I just thought of makes it needlessly complicated... I'll make a new thread for it because I don't want to clutter this one up. (and this idea would clutter quite a bit)


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