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Posted: Feb 9 2004, 01:50 AM
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If a Sul'dam takes damage, does the damane not take the damage as well?

And tried to find the guidelines in the wot rpg book for sensing the ability to channel in others, but could not find it. (not sensing channeling, just the ability to be able to do so). Anyone have any ideas?
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Posted: Feb 9 2004, 08:02 AM
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I think it should be a feat much like the Sense Residue feat. Just something that allows the channeler to sense the ability to channel the One Power in someone, you know? Maybe call it Sense the Power in Another Person Who Can Channel and How Much They Can Do So? Genius!
As to your a'dam question, I don't think the sul'dam's physiological state is transfered to the damane. Pain either. Not sure though.

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Posted: Feb 9 2004, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE (Two Rivers Wolfbrother @ Feb 8 2004, 08:02 PM)
As to your a'dam question, I don't think the sul'dam's physiological state is transfered to the damane. Pain either. Not sure though.

Um....I would deffinitely say that the sul'dam's physical pain is transferred to the damane.....two fold. Remember what happened when Egwene smacked her sul'dam? It felt like a soldier had just punched her full-force in the jaw and her head was ringing. I'd say any pain (ie - hp damage, wheather actual or subdual) is also dealt to the damane, but the damane's damage is all subdual, and double that of the sul'dam.


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Posted: Feb 9 2004, 05:32 PM
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And tried to find the guidelines in the wot rpg book for sensing the ability to channel in others, but could not find it. (not sensing channeling, just the ability to be able to do so).


check out Prophecies of the Dragon Page 189 under the section Measuring the Power. It says that it determines the Int Bonus, WIs Bonus, Charisma Bonus and levels in Channeling class. Hope this helps




He he i only know this because ive asked the same question biggrin.gif

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Posted: Feb 9 2004, 06:05 PM
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Posted: Feb 9 2004, 06:22 PM
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As for the a'dam question there is a feedback mechanism in place...but I think alot of it (in the egwene example) comes from the fact that Egwene was attempting to hit her Sul'dam herself. But I do think there is definitly something there. If a Sul'dam takes damage in combat I probably wouldn't apply the same damage to the damane but she would incur some sort of penalty for being in pain/distress.


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Posted: Feb 9 2004, 08:21 PM
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I think that if a Sul'dam w2ere to be harmed in combat and suffer, say, 6 hp damage, then the damane should suffer subdual damage equal to 1/2 of that. so the damane would suffer 3 subdual damage points, while the sul'dam suffers 6 hp damage.


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Posted: Feb 10 2004, 12:26 PM
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To quotoe from tGH (PBv)

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"Balling her fist, Eqwene hit the [sul'dam] as hard as she could, right in the eye-and staggered and fell to her knees herself, head ringing. It felt as if a large man had struck her in the face."

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"...when damane and sul'Dam are joined, whatever hurt the sul'dam feels the damane feels twice over. Even to death."
"...you must protect your sul'dam even more then yourself."

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Posted: Feb 11 2004, 10:33 PM
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Ahhh thats what i was looking for, thought for sure i had read that. It's a little irritating that the rpg book has nothing listed under a'dam about that.
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Posted: Feb 12 2004, 12:44 AM
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Hehe, wouldn't that just make life too easy :)

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Posted: Feb 12 2004, 07:32 AM
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I had made a redone version of the a'dam for submission of the latest netbook but since they are not doing any redone material I can safely post it here for perusal.

A’dam
Activation: Wear
Affinities: None
Size: Small
Weight: 1 lb.
Occurrence: Common

Created by the Seanchan as a means of controlling channelers, an a’dam resembles a silver metal collar attached to a silver bracelet by a ropelike metallic leash approximately 3 spans in length (9 ft.). The user places the bracelet around her wrist and the collar around the neck of the channeler to be controlled. Once “leashed” in this manner, the target channeler cannot remove her collar; any attempt to do so inflicts excruciating levels of pain (1d6 points of subdual damage each round) and nausea, preventing the removal of the collar. Any other person (except another collared damane and male channelers; see below) who knows how to operate the latch can remove the necklace.

The user gains a +15 enhancement bonus to any Sense Motive checks against the target channeler due to the close tie created from the target to the user. The target is unable to channel more than a 0 level weave while collared without the express consent of the user and suffers nausea for 2d10 minutes if she does so, and if the user is able to channel herself, then she is able to gain strength and weave slots as her own, just as a link (without the added weave slot bonus for linking). The user may control the channeler’s actions by inflicting pain. Seanchan Sul’dam wields this pain like a weapon to break a channeler’s spirit and, eventually, instill unquestioning obedience. In game terms, the Sul’dam can deal 1 pt, 1d6, 2d6, or 3d6 points of subdual damage as a free action. Doing so forces the leashed channeler to make a Will save (DC of 10, 20, 25 or 30 respectively); if she fails, she can do nothing but writhe on the ground that round. If the user takes off the bracelet and puts it somewhere (hangs it on a peg, places it on a shelf, or the like), the leashed channeler cannot move it, directly or indirectly, without experiencing the same excruciating pain and nausea, suffering 1d6 points of subdual damage each round and making the a Will save (DC 20) while the bracelet is out of its original position. If the user of the a’dam suffers damage from the leashed channeler, then the leashed channeler suffers double the amount of damage.

The Seanchan believe only certain women can become Sul’dam; they consider it a special gift some women receive. In reality, Seanchan Sul’dam are simply channelers without fully developed abilities. If leashed with an a’dam, a Sul’dam suffers its effects like any other channeler. Any female channeler can use or be leashed by an a’dam; non-channelers cannot use them or suffer the pain and subdual damage they cause.

A’dam are intended only for women. If a male channelers simply touches an a’dam while a female channeler wears either part of it, he and the female channeler both take 4d6 points of subdual damage. If he wears either the bracelet or the collar while a female channeler wears the other, both take 4d6 points of subdual damage per round. If a non-channeler touches or wears an a’dam, nothing happens to him, and the leashed channeler (if any) suffers no effects.
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Posted: Feb 12 2004, 04:56 PM
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i really like this. Think i'll yoink it. *Grins*


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Posted: Feb 12 2004, 06:04 PM
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Posted: Feb 12 2004, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (Xythlord @ Feb 12 2004, 01:32 AM)
If he wears either the bracelet or the collar while a female channeler wears the other, both take 4d6 points of subdual damage per round.


To be accurate with the books replace that with "If he wears either the bracelet or the collar while a female channeler wears the other, both die in screaming agony."

The Empress's little game is either lethal or harmless. It is a coup de grace so no save.
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Posted: Feb 12 2004, 10:42 PM
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actually, dahak's right here. both put the adam on, both tend to die...... a male just touching an a'dam is wracked with serious pain and hurt and bad juju.


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Posted: Feb 12 2004, 11:20 PM
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Well my game went well tonite.

I forced my player and tortured His Pc with an A'dam. Lovely.

Actually i had to fudge a few die rolls. I lowered the Forcing DC down to 20 or she mite have been stilled, and since its a solo game i couldn't really do that. I um "looks Sheepish" didn't actually use any rules for the A'dam, i just wandered about in a daze doing what i wanted really. Worked though biggrin.gif my player is REALLY pissed at his torturer and is going to cause some major pain. biggrin.gif


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Posted: Feb 13 2004, 04:29 AM
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Ok, so everybody likes the a'dam but thinks that the penalties for both a male and female channeler aren't sever enough. What if I changed the discription to read

A’dam are intended only for women. If a male channelers simply touches an a’dam while a female channeler wears either part of it, he and the female channeler both take 4d6 points of subdual damage. If a male channeler wears either the bracelet or the collar while a female channeler wears the other, both take 4d6 points of subdual damage and one point of constitution drain per round. In order for either channeler to take any action (including free actions) while thusly linked, they must succeed at a Will Saving throw (DC 35) or fall to the ground in shrieking agony. A character leashed may attempt a new saving throw each round. If a non-channeler touches or wears an a’dam, nothing happens to him, and the leashed channeler (if any) suffers no effects.

Now I know that this is not as immediately lethal as has been suggested but I don't like to just kill a character right off. I wants them to futily try as their character is slowly knocked unconsious and/or killed off.. Remember draining them to 0 will kill them and if they manage to get it off they are then serious screwed for awhile as well.

Whatcha think?

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Posted: Feb 13 2004, 05:53 AM
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I think it is a good mechanic and more accurate than instant death. A death of screaming agony is hardly instant. This is very deadly, painful and somewhat drawn out. I think it is a good way to represent it.


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Posted: Feb 13 2004, 03:27 PM
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i like that much better, Xythlord. it's got a sick and twisted feeling to it (being constantly damaged, and unless you got a +15 will save, there's nothing you can do about it...). biggrin.gif
BTW, can a male even touch an unlinked a'dam? I thought rand, or another male channeler, did once and it still hurt.... if so, i'd say... oh, 1d6 subdual.

Xyth, got any statistics on the Sad Bracelets?


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Posted: Feb 14 2004, 12:36 AM
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QUOTE (MagusRogue @ Feb 13 2004, 09:27 AM)
I thought rand, or another male channeler, did once and it still hurt....


If I am not mistaken, unsure.gif The a'dam was thrown into the ocean. Neither Rand nor any of the others suffered any damage while touching the item by itself. cool.gif
I don't remember which book this happenned. sad.gif

I might be wrong, But I'll stick with what I've said rolleyes.gif

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