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Two Rivers Wolfbrother |
Posted: Sep 7 2004, 10:08
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How is cuendillar made? I'm pretty sure we've
discussed this before here, but I can't find the thread. Anybody got a
quick answer? Is it made by channeling somehow into an object made of
iron? That's how I understand it. -------------------- This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai.
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Kakita Aramoro |
Posted: Sep 8 2004, 01:32
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you got it, and I think earth was the primary
affinity, though all five were used douring its making. also aperently women make white cuendillar, which leads me to believe that men make the black stuff ![]() |
Two Rivers Wolfbrother |
Posted: Sep 8 2004, 02:47
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Alright cool. Thanks yo.
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Kakita Aramoro |
Posted: Sep 8 2004, 08:01
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no prob man ![]() |
Two Rivers Wolfbrother |
Posted: Sep 15 2004, 01:01
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Can anyone tell me places in the books where
cuendillar is made or websites that discuss this more. I wanna know lots
of things, such as how long it takes, etc. Thanks!
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Xythlord |
Posted: Sep 15 2004, 03:21
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From the Age of Illusions netbook Craft Power-wrought Material - Cuendillar (Earth Singing) [Air, Earth, Fire -Special] (Lost) Level: Varies Casting Time: One round Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft. / 2 levels) Area: See text Duration: Instant Saving Throw: None Weave Resistance: No Special: Must have the Earth affinity. One of the most wondrous accomplishments of the ancient Aes Sedai was the creation of Cuendillar. Heartstone, as it was also known, was the hardest material known— the lip of a delicate cup made of heartstone could scratch steel, or diamond. It was created by Aes Sedai using the One Power. Cuendillar could not be destroyed by any means, even by use of the One Power. Any force directed against heartstone only served to make it stronger. Cuendillar is always milky white, and has a certain slickness to the touch, like a blend of the fines porcelain and polished steel. This weave is cast in two stages and requires the target of the weave be made of pure iron, with the better quality of the material and craftsmanship of the object, bringing better results. First the Caster must create a fine net woven of Earth, Fire and Air to surround the object, the size of the object that can be affected is determined by the casting level of the initial weave. Casting Level Object Size Dimensions Weight 2 Fine or 6 in or less Less than 1/8 lb. 3 Diminutive 6 in – 1ft. 1/8 lb. – 1 lb. 4 Tiny 1 ft. – 2 ft. 1 lb. – 8 lb. 5 Small 2 ft. – 4 ft. 8 lb. – 60 lb. 6 Medium 4 ft. – 8 ft. 60 lb. – 500 lb. 7 Large 8 ft. – 16 ft. 500 lb. – 4,000 lb. 8 Huge 16 ft. – 32 ft. 4,000 lb. – 32,000 lb. Next the caster channels a second weave of Earth and Fire, while holding the net around the target object, penetrating each net to touch the object, requiring that the caster be able to channel two weaves at the same time. This second weave alters the iron object at its base structure creating Cuendillar, with the brew time depending upon the casting level of the weave. An object may be partially affected, with a proportional amount of it converted to Cuendillar dependant upon the time dedicated to it during the brew time of this weave. The process can be started over; though finding the precise point where it was left off is very hard and requires 1d4 minutes per size category. Casting Level Brew time per size category 2 1d6 x 10 minutes 4 1d6 minutes 6 2d6 rounds 8 1d6 rounds 10 No brew time |
Axel |
Posted: Sep 15 2004, 08:52
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Speaking physically I belived that the weave that
creates Cuendillar alters the atoms of the substance to make it totally
uncreactive and extremely dense. This would make Hearstone itself a new
element, I would guess the world's only Noble Solid.
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Two Rivers Wolfbrother |
Posted: Sep 15 2004, 11:03
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Yeah, I got your email, Xythlord. Thank you for it.
So, basically in the books, somebody just places metal stuff near them,
focuses, and 'zoink!' cuendillar? -------------------- This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai.
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Llewin |
Posted: Sep 16 2004, 01:55
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Well in the only examples we have in teh books
cuendilar is not made 'instantly' for everyone. the speed at which the
iron is transformed appears to be directly related to ones strength in the
One Power, strength in Earth specifically, and dexterity and practice with
this particular weave... Example. Young novices and accepteds make small objects of cuendillar and the iron slowly changes to white... egwene changes a giant chain and it happens in the blink of an eye, zipping across the length of chain in nearly an instant... |
Two Rivers Wolfbrother |
Posted: Sep 16 2004, 09:05
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Yes, I see. And where does that happen? What book?
What pages? -------------------- This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai.
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Llewin |
Posted: Sep 16 2004, 06:24
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I dont have my book here with me (and your right...i
shouldnt post things without atleast giving a book reference...i certainly
complain enough when others do...lol...sorry) However, it is in the Crossroads of Twilight book...in one of the Egwene/Tower In Exile Chapters, and I believe it's near the end, just before Egwene is captured. |
Sa_sara |
Posted: Sep 16 2004, 09:45
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The Quotes Where It Says Stuff about the making of
Cuendillar: "The oars made only a small gurgling noise as they swept back, though, and the boat stopped where she could have touched the massive iron chain across the harbor, its huge links giving off their own faint gleam from the grease coating them. There was no need for touching, though. No need for waiting, either. Embracing saidar, she was barely aware of the thrill of life filling her before she had the weaves in place. Earth, Fire and Air surrounding the chain; Earth and Fire touching it. The black iron flashed to white across the whole width of the harbor mouth." "The pair of Aes Sedai channeling at the table nearest the entrance, Kairen and Ashmanaille, had an audience of two as well, Janya Frende, a Sitter for the Brown, and Salita Toranes, a Sitter for the Yellow. The Aes Sedai and the novices were all performing the same task. In front of each woman, a close net woven of Earth, Fire and Air surrounded a small bowl or cup or the like, all made by the camp’s blacksmiths, who were very puzzled at why the sisters wanted such things made of iron, not to mention having them made as finely as if they were silver. A second weave, Earth and Fire woven just so, penetrated each net to touch the object, which was slowly turning white. Very, very slowly, in every case. Ability with the weave improved with practice, but of the Five Powers, strength in Earth was the key, and beside Egwene herself, only nine sisters in the camp—along with two of the Accepted and nearly two dozen novices—had sufficient of that to make the weaves work at all. Few among the sisters wanted to give any time to it, though. Ashmanaille, lean enough to make her seem taller than she really was, fingers tapping the tabletop on either side of the simple metal cup in front her, was frowning impatiently as the edge of whiteness crept upward past halfway. Kairen’s blue eyes were cold enough that it seemed her stare alone might shatter the tall goblet she was working on. That had only the smallest rim of white at the bottom. It must have been Kairen Egwene had seen going in." "Kairen and Ashmanaille turned, too, the Blue even letting her weaves go so the goblet bounced on the tabletop with a metallic clatter. It was a sign of boredom. The process could be started over, though finding the precise point was very hard, and some sisters took every opportunity to do anything else during the hour they had to spend in the tent each day." "If her class was any time soon, she would be more than a little late if she tarried to complete the bowl; her hour’s effort had turned only half of it white." "The white on Ashmanaille’s cup had climbed a little farther, but in just that short time, Kairen had caught up. More than caught up, in fact, since her goblet stood twice as high as the cup. “Your skill is improving, Kairen,” Egwene said approvingly. The Blue looked up at her, and drew a deep breath. Her oval face became an image of cool calm around those icy blue eyes. “There isn’t much skill involved, Mother. All that’s needed is to set the weave and wait.”" "Yesterday, she and Althyn Conly tried two items at once, just to see what would happen, and the things fused together in a solid lump. Useless for sale, of course, unless you find someone who wants a pair of half-iron, half-cuendillar cups joined at angles." "The line of white crept upward steadily. When Leane did this weave, black iron turned to white cuendillar as if the iron were sinking quickly into milk. For Egwene herself, the change was faster than the blink of an eye, black to white in a flash." This post has been edited by Sa_sara on Sep 16 2004, 09:46 PM -------------------- Slayer II The Computer OF DOOM: (Slayer-Isam&
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Two Rivers Wolfbrother |
Posted: Sep 16 2004, 10:14
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Thank you guys very much. I'm just writing some stuff
up and I'd rather know what I can about it before I go ahead and launch
forward. -------------------- This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai.
Older than anybody using the One Power. Old as humankind. Old as
wolves. Current Projects: Encounters Handbook Tome of the One Power Homepage: Town Center Productions It's funny! Please check out the funny short films and sketches, such as Pink Avenger, the Sockies, and Kenny getting shot with a paintball gun. Check out my Wheel of Time RPG Website! It's not as funny as Town Center Productions, but it's updated frequently, so check it out often. Newest Features: Alternate Rules: Sanity Towns and Locals: The Tuatha'an I My TRW WoT Yahoo! Group! This is where I let the people know when I update my WoT site and also let them know what's coming up. |
phrostphyre |
Posted: Sep 20 2004, 11:15
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You may not have noticed but to create Cuendillar
requires two weaves, so in RPG terms you need to Multiweave or Tie Off
Weave to complete it, then you need big time concentration to make the
object you're working on gradually change. One of the Aes Sedai in the
books gets bored, loses concentration and the item shes working on bounces
on the table. The stuff in that weave about better quality and workmanship bringing better results is claptrap, Eggy wanted decent quality gear so she could sell it to pay her army. No one's going to buy a work of art that looks like a kids plastacine lump.. Unless their name's Saatchi, and then anything goes.. ![]() I'm not even sure that the item being changed has to be of iron. I think that Eggy was slightly off in her calculations and 'she' can only change iron. I believe that in the AoL the decent channellers could probably make Cuendillar out of anything, otherwise there would probably be a distinct lack of iron around the place. It also indicates in the books that reating Cuendillar is extremely difficult, even for the most powerful of channellers. I don't think a 2nd level weave slot is appropriate, even for the most miniscule of items changed over the lengthiest of time periods. |
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