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Mantyluoto
Posted: Feb 14 2004, 12:53 PM
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I know i could have posted this in the A'dam thread but i wanted to be able to find your replies easily enough.

OK. picture this.....

a dark and dank 20'x20' cellar. 3 women are slumped on the floor all wearing A'dams. tired of being tortured they plan to try and escape.

my player wants to know this.

1) if his Pc hits the person who takes the a'dam brcelet of the peg on the wall before she actually puts the bracelet on will she (Pc) get feed back?

2) When the bracelet is dropped could one of the other 2 women pick it up and put it on negating the instruction not to channel without the Leasher being their? and so free her etc!

Your comments and remarks are welcome, as normal (except for you Magus biggrin.gif)

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Posted: Feb 14 2004, 04:28 PM
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1) if his Pc hits the person who takes the a'dam brcelet of the peg on the wall before she actually puts the bracelet on will she (Pc) get feed back?


I haven't read the other thread but I'm going to guess...

Probably not directly through the a'dam, but I'd assume the PC would have been conditioned by the sul'dam not to attack sul'dam and thus would have difficulty making the attack in the first place.

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2) When the bracelet is dropped could one of the other 2 women pick it up and put it on negating the instruction not to channel without the Leasher being their? and so free her etc!


No. IIRC, a woman wearing an a'dam can't touch the bracelet. I see no reason why that restriction wouldn't extend to the bracelet of another a'dam. It is a supposition based on that fact that, if a woman wearing an a'dam could free another woman wearing a different 'adam, there would be a significant level of escape among the damanae... which we have not seen. After all, if she can pick up a fallen bracelet, why can't she pick up one off the peg on the wall and thus negate the need to hit anyone over the head to begin with?
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Posted: Feb 14 2004, 04:49 PM
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There are 2 perfectly good reasons why it should work:
1. The Seanchan are so ingrained with their own structural heirarchy that the idea of an act of rebellion is almost beyond their comprehension. Beyond that they should expect that their brainwashing of the damane would keep them from attempting such an action.
2. The Seanchan don't realize that the damane would have any ability at the bracelet end of the a'dam, the same as they fail to realize the sul'dam would be affected at the collar end. Why prevent the damane from touching the bracelet at all? It can't do her any good.

Now the interesting question, could a damane undo the clasp of another's a'dam?


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Posted: Feb 14 2004, 05:41 PM
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He did mention that if they couldn't undue the collar then all three could wear anothers so they would all be collared but able to channel effectively.

The leasher (not Sul Damane, Homebrew world and not Seanchan) has been torturing all three girls and plans turning them over to a Fade for turning. but she has also been preping them for battle by forcing them (check out thread Here) and has been teaching them new weaves one of which is Detonate and my friend is fully intent on putting that weave to good uses as soon as he's free.

any othere comments people

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Posted: Feb 14 2004, 06:10 PM
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First off I think its quite funny when I pictured the situation that I assume you put your players in tongue.gif . Next I am not so sure that a collared damane could even assualt the sul'dam in the first place. Remember when Egwene (not yet Tuli) just considered hitting Renna with a water jug. She got couldn't even use a water pitcher for 3 days so there is no way she could use anything as a weapon. I guess she could physically hit her but if it would do enough damage to cause her to drop it is a DM's call.

As for the ability of another leashed damane to put on a bracelet and use the channeling ability. That would have to be the DM's call. While this may sound as a cop out, it is really just how you interpret the link. We know that the a'dam acts as a forced link between the collered one and the leash holder, with the leash holder acting as the focus for the circle. The reason that the damane cannot channel is that she is on the passive end of a circle and the circle leader has control over the channeling ability of those in the circle. The question you have to ask yourself is that can a character who is in this forced link then place herself in control of another circle with another bracelet? Also you have to ask can a woman who is voluntarily in a circle with one or more other female channelers be in two different circles at the same time? That is pretty much what you would be trying to do IMO.

One thing though about your post Axel, while the Seanchan do have an ingrained sense of futility about escape regarding the damane this was not always the case. The very first women collered would have tried anything they could think of to escape. Furthermore the Seanchan know that a damane can wear the bracelet and become complete. This was told to Egwene by Renna right after she was leashed "One such, a woman named Deain, who thought she could do better serving the Emperor - he was not Emperor then, of course - since he had no Aes Sedai in his armies, came to him with a device she had made, the first a dam, fastened to the neck of one of her sisters". So I am not saying that it wouldn't work, just that this wouldn't shock the sul'dam like you would think.

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Posted: Feb 14 2004, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE (Mantyluoto @ Feb 14 2004, 01:53 AM)
Your comments and remarks are welcome, as normal (except for you Magus biggrin.gif)

I COULD feel offended by this................. ph34r.gif


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Posted: Feb 14 2004, 09:28 PM
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It would, the sul'dam consider their damane little more than favored pets, at best. The idea of them capable of any independent though would be revolting to the sul'dam. Besides, the very idea of the damane trying such a likely futile action would probably be surprising in and of itself.


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Posted: Feb 15 2004, 08:34 AM
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I COULD feel offended by this


i wouldn't mate just having a laugh. you know you'll have your say biggrin.gif

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Remember when Egwene (not yet Tuli) just considered hitting Renna with a water jug. She got couldn't even use a water pitcher for 3 days so there is no way she could use anything as a weapon


Wasn't renna wearing the A'dam at the time. My player is not a Damane as in the Wot books, His Pc is just unfortumate too have been captured by a sick n twisted evil bitch who likes to cause pain and suffering whilst preping channels to be turned.

My Homebrew campaign has similarities to Wot but their is no Dark One, The Shadow is an Ideal, a way of life, and is run by a council. it has no country or area (like the blight) to work from nor masses of Trollocs to fight for it.

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As for the ability of another leashed damane to put on a bracelet and use the channeling ability. That would have to be the DM's call. While this may sound as a cop out, it is really just how you interpret the link. We know that the a'dam acts as a forced link between the collered one and the leash holder, with the leash holder acting as the focus for the circle. The reason that the damane cannot channel is that she is on the passive end of a circle and the circle leader has control over the channeling ability of those in the circle. The question you have to ask yourself is that can a character who is in this forced link then place herself in control of another circle with another bracelet? Also you have to ask can a woman who is voluntarily in a circle with one or more other female channelers be in two different circles at the same time? That is pretty much what you would be trying to do IMO.


i read this post Xyth yesterday and it didn't make as much sense then as it does today biggrin.gif. THAT is exactly what they would be trying to do. but since there are 3 of them (1 Pc 2 Npcs) it woould mean 3 circles linked together. And if the ability to do that was known i'm sure they would have used it in the books.

Just gotta figure out what feed back rules i'm going to use then bingo. Cheers guys



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Posted: Feb 17 2004, 10:15 PM
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well i have decided on what i am going to do.

Picture this

"3 women chained by A'dam kneel, each dreading the coming moments when she comes back. Suddenly the door of the dank cell opens and she strolls in, an evil gleam in her eyes. reaching for the first bracelet she hasn't yet noticed that the woman stands quietly behind her and as she picks up the Bracelet off the peg she is struck a savage blow from behind.

Staggering she releases the bracelet, to let the pain take her attacker but the Leashed one has already moved throwing herself backwards towards one of her fellow prisoners screaming in agony the attacker writhes on the ground for the seconds it takes one of the others to open the bracelet and close it about her wrist.

Silence..... the fallen leashed one stills and suddenly the glow of Saidar springs up from her and the torturer stumbles back, knowing that it is too late and "BOOM" a shower of flesh covers them all.

But it is the screaming of the one that held the Bracelet that echoes round the small room. the A'dam has gone but fire sears along the flesh of her arm and up her face, burning and scarring. A quick weave puts out the flame but the damage is done."

that is what is going to happen. My friend is the woman who will attack the torturer and then use the Detonate weave on her. The feed back from the 2nd link will severly burn the Npc who is wearing the bracelet, making her in need of some serious healing though the scarring will not disappear.

because my game is a solo there will be a bonus (apart from freedom) the Pc will gain another lvl from the feed back but the injured one will lose a lvl and the Pc will probably be feeling really guilty, (i use alignment and she is LG)

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Posted: Feb 18 2004, 06:16 PM
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Sounds good Manty. Sorry that I missed posting ideas.


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Posted: Feb 18 2004, 06:25 PM
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its cool dude.

NOW GET TO WORK biggrin.gif

a week tomorrow its gonna happen i can't wait. biggrin.gif

i'm usually quite set in my ways and we've been playing together for 18 yrs now and so i can pretty accurately judge how he will react (and the same goes for him too) but he completely got me when he came up with that method of escape.

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Posted: Feb 18 2004, 06:26 PM
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If you say so Manty.

oh, by the way, I'm at school right now, I don't work today. That whole part-time deal.

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Posted: Feb 18 2004, 06:26 PM
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somebody has to biggrin.gif


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Posted: Feb 22 2004, 07:46 PM
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could a channeller, wear a bracelet of an A'dam conrolling a Damane AND use her own abilities, so both she and the damane channel at the same time?


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Posted: Feb 23 2004, 01:18 AM
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/shrug
Honestly though I would say that it would depend on your ruling on the ad'am in the first place. Moridin/Ishy comments on it being a forced ring, also known as link, so if you go by that then the damane should be a stronger channeler because of it and gain a +1 to weaves accordingly. However if you are saying that all of the other abilities that the ad'am grants the bracelet wearer change the nature of the link then I would say hey why not, let them channel as well if they know how.

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