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Blaeric Fen
Posted: Feb 5 2004, 12:21 AM
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Wells can be used in stedding, right? & if a channeler wants to overchannel can they do that with a well? does anyone have more info on them?


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 12:45 AM
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I would say that they could be used in steddings. However, I don't think you could overchannel. I think of overchanneling as drawing more of the source than you should and forcing out a stronger weave. The Wells only have a certain amount of power stored in them. Think of it like a bucket, you can't draw more than you have.

Maybe I might allow my players to overchannel but it would cost more levels that they would have to sacrifice from the Well storage capacity. If that makes any sense.


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 01:52 AM
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But if you have a bigger straw, you can suck more out of a bucket. ie; at a faster rate.

So I think sure, you can overchannel using a well. You just use up the stored power faster.
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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 02:07 AM
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here's my write-up on wells, if you're interested (note, i gave them much lower capacities than most people will, as i don't think they should much levels at all):

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Wells are special items that are a form of a temporary angreal. They hold extra saidar/saidin in them, that a channeler may access without having to overchannel. They come in all sizes and shapes, ranging from small jewelry (such as Cadsuane’s hair ornaments) to massive stones of power. To use a well, one simply opens to the One Power and pulls charges out of the well, using them as they wish.
A well comes with a set number of charges, from 1-10 max charge. Each charge may grant the user a weave level to use as they wish. You may pull as many charges out of a well per round as you have levels in your highest weave slot (for example, a level 10 initiate may only pull 5 charges out per round). These charges may be used to fuel weaves, as well as metaweave feats, as normal. To recharge a well, you must spend one round per charge concentrating on the well, and be open to the One Power at all times. Unlike angreal, wells do not have a gender requirement.

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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 05:42 PM
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Magus, very good i wouldn't make them any more powerful than that. what i probably would do though is make them all containers, ie thimbles, jars buckets etc. as they are used the hypothetical contents of the container is lowered also.

i would also give them power ratio's much like Angreal and Sa'Angreal, dependant on size of Well (or failing that Dm's taste)


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 06:39 PM
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the power ratio is how much you wanna pull on them. In essence, a Well is a temporary angreal. As for containers, Cadsuane's birds and moons aren't containers, just jewelry.


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 06:40 PM
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I agree on the level of the wells. The only thing that I would dissagree with is whether a channeler can overchannel with a well. for example, if a level 10 initiate had a well that held enough Saidar to channel say, 10 5th level weaves (before recharging), and a level 1 initiate took possession of it (for whatever reason), the level 1 initiate would be able to channel the equivelant of 10 5th level weaves as well. In this case, it would be perfectly feasible to overchannel with a well. Remember that you can draw from a bucket 1 drop at a time or all at once and anywhere in between. This would not change the fact that the character is overchanneling or any of the associated penalties, it would simply deplete the well faster. The only change to the writup I would make is to have overchanneling from a well deplete the well twice as fast; ie: The well has 10 weaves worth of Saidar and a single overchanneled weave depletes it by 2 (to 8) instead of by 1 as with a normal weave.

As a side note, I think that wells would work better with a slot-pool channeling system best.


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 06:40 PM
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And Nyn's was a belt, IIRC.


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE (Aleshandre @ Feb 5 2004, 01:40 PM)
I agree on the level of the wells.  The only thing that I would dissagree with is whether a channeler can overchannel with a well.  for example, if a level 10 initiate had a well that held enough Saidar to channel say, 10 5th level weaves (before recharging), and a level 1 initiate took possession of it (for whatever reason), the level 1 initiate would be able to channel the equivelant of 10 5th level weaves as well.  In this case, it would be perfectly feasible to overchannel with a well.  Remember that you can draw from a bucket 1 drop at a time or all at once and anywhere in between.  This would not change the fact that the character is overchanneling or any of the associated penalties, it would simply deplete the well faster.  The only change to the writup I would make is to have overchanneling from a well deplete the well twice as fast; ie: The well has 10 weaves worth of Saidar and a single overchanneled weave depletes it by 2 (to 8) instead of by 1 as with a normal weave.

As a side note, I think that wells would work better with a slot-pool channeling system best.


hrm..... depleating faster? i see the rationality here though... I was thinking implimenting a max levels pulled from a well... like.... 1/2 your levels, round up, can be in pulled saidin/saidar?

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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 10:53 PM
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And Nyn's was a belt, IIRC.


best i take my own advice and reread the books biggrin.gif


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE (Mantyluoto @ Feb 5 2004, 05:53 PM)
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And Nyn's was a belt, IIRC.


best i take my own advice and reread the books biggrin.gif

*shall be the hundred sixth thousand fifty-ninth person to suggest you reread the books* I'm a bastard, i know. biggrin.gif


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 11:24 PM
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probably rolleyes.gif

but then i never listen to myself anyway biggrin.gif


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 11:30 PM
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Then listen to me. wink.gif


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 11:32 PM
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read the email i just sent you.

then laugh

i did writing it.

thats what you get for being tired.

but then ive just finished my thursday night gaming session (yay)


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 11:48 PM
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LOL you need to get some caffeine. Was talking bout JRR Tolkien. I'm an oklahoma hick. *G*


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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 06:39 PM
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ANYWAYS, you guys, back to the wells. What I meant by overchanneling is, if there IS enough saidin/saidar stored in the well to succesfully overchannel, would it be allowed? Or would it make sense to make a rule that says that you would overchannel 2x the normal amount that's overchanneled?


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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 06:45 PM
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Since a well is nothing more than a temporary Angreal, i'd allow overchanneling as normal. Remember, if a character picks up a +6 sa'angreal, he can still overchannel as well. If you got a Power Rating 6 Well, then you can overchannel with how much you want to pull out.
Personally, i'd make the power ratings on well's as low-end as angreals. 1-3 would be the norm on wells, with 4+ being as rare as (comparitively) sa'angreal. Wells should be actually fairly more common than angreal as well, due to their temporary natures.


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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 06:51 PM
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temporary natures? I don't understand that part, you mean they are only full of the power ffor a certain time, until it's all used.


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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (Blaeric Fen @ Feb 6 2004, 01:51 PM)
temporary natures? I don't understand that part, you mean they are only full of the power ffor a certain time, until it's all used.

Exactly. Think of a Well as... well, a Well. cool.gif The Well only can hold a certain amount of Saidin/Saidar within it; similar to how normal wells only got so much water. Every time you dip into it, you take some out. Eventually, it'll fill up again, but you're still pulling water/one power out every time you get into it. Cadsuane explains this in the book quite well. As i said, they're temporary angreal. every time you use one, you literally use up the level boosts you use.


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Blaeric Fen
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 06:55 PM
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How do they refill with the power though? automatically, or do they have to be channeled full? like drawing the source in and then releasing it into the well.


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