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Kakita Aramoro |
Posted: Feb 24 2004, 12:02
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you know the whole controversy between those who
think objects can't exceed the speed of light and trekkies who
do? anyways, back in the age of legends you could have found out, all you need is a vacum, earth's gravity well, a few chanelers, a test object, and gateways. set the first gateway underneath the second so that they open into each other thus making an infinite gravitational loop. then there is some simple math to do. e= the the speed of light = 299 792 458 m/s g= the gravity on earth = 9.80665 m/s*s (e/g)=353 days, 19 hours, 45 minutes, and 23 seconds (give or take a bit) in this way you would be able to prove conclusively wether or not you can breach the speed of light, though it would take a year and some way of detecting the object's speed, although if it disapears to your electro-magnetic based measuring instruments, its probably going faster than you can detect (past e) or its been destroyed. probably something only a brown would be interested in though, since if you have gateways, you already know you can travel faster than the speed of light, though you do it by cheating, the same way that you win in the game of snakes and foxes. This post has been edited by Kakita Aramoro on Feb 24 2004, 12:03 AM |
Two Rivers Wolfbrother |
Posted: Feb 24 2004, 07:06
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Exactly! -------------------- This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai.
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Axel |
Posted: Feb 24 2004, 08:34
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no, it would reach terminal velocity, the point past
which it cannot accelerate. Similar to the old dropping a penny off the
empire state building, the penny reaches terminal velocity at about 65mph,
it can't accelerate past that, thus never builds up enough speed to do any
damage whatsoever. yeah, I killed that idea... -------------------- Honorary Paladin of the Lawful Naughty If I seem to hate the d20 system, its only because I hate the system. Actually I just hate 3e, its biased me against the system. I rather like WoT. |
Kakita Aramoro |
Posted: Feb 25 2004, 02:06
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as I said its in a vacume, thus terminal velocity
does not aply sinceterminal velocity is due to air resistance. no air, no
air friction, thus that does not kill my idea. brown
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drothgery |
Posted: Feb 25 2004, 02:38
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obNitpick: In any decent sci-fi (and even space opera
like Trek) where faster-than-light travel exists, they explain that it
works by cheating somehow. No one's set up a universe where Einsteinian
physics fails to apply to normal space (there are ways of checking this
with tech that we've got, and they've been done).
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Aleshandre |
Posted: Feb 25 2004, 02:17
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This is where Super-string Theory comes into play.
among other things, it supercedes einstienian physics (assuming it is
correct) and therefore, permits exceding light speed. Ofcourse, once an
object reaches light speed, it becomes light, so it begs the question, can
light excede the speed of light. I believe that the answer may be
yes. example: a car is traveling at 75 mph. The headlights project light forward of the car at a speed equal to c+75mph. If not, after traveling (granted for an extremely long distance straight line), the car would eventually reach a point where the light from the headlights nolonger passes the lense of the headlight. This can ofcourse be tested. A series of rangefinding lasers set to project a set distance from the front of the car would be able to determine if the theoretical set distance actually decreases as the vehicle accelerates. If light can not move faster than the theoretical speed of light, then the distance should decrease as the vehicle accelerates. If it does not, then the speed of light can be exceeded. -------------------- |
MagusRogue |
Posted: Feb 25 2004, 06:44
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ... Ok... Dude, aleshandre, you a physicist or something? ![]() ![]() -------------------- Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this rant's
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Mantyluoto |
Posted: Feb 25 2004, 06:47
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"scratches head" yup ![]() i would post my theory but i got lost after the word Physics ![]() -------------------- For Those About To Rock, We Salute You |
Axel |
Posted: Feb 25 2004, 07:11
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I followed him. Basically he's applying a very simple
rule of motion to light. Its like if you're in a car going, and you throw
something forewards. The actual momentum of the object equals how fast the
car is going plus how fast you threw it. All he did was apply that concept
to the headlights on the car, should the speed of light from the
headlights equal the speed of light plus the speed of the car? I would say no, the speed of light in a vacum represents maximum terminal velocity for the universe, no particle can exeed the speed of light Terminal velocity is inversely proportional to mass, since a photon has no mass nothing can go faster than the speed of light. c is the universal speed limit. -------------------- Honorary Paladin of the Lawful Naughty If I seem to hate the d20 system, its only because I hate the system. Actually I just hate 3e, its biased me against the system. I rather like WoT. |
Targul |
Posted: Feb 25 2004, 08:05
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Theoretically ![]() -------------------- Wait, if I DID evil, and you guys here
ARE evil. Then shouldn't you be showering me with rewards and
concubines, etc.? This is Hell we're big on irony here. Then I'm sure you'll appreciate what is going to occur. I'm dead, so this is some egoscopic projection of myself? Correct, but I hardly see what... So without any fleshy meats to slow me down, how long do you REALLY think it'll take for me to usurp your entire kingdom? I have the entire legions of Hell at my command Enjoy it while you can, Skippy. -Black Mage in Hell (8-bit theater style) |
Entropic_existence |
Posted: Feb 25 2004, 08:23
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I'd have to go searching through my e-journal
collection to find the actual artcile but they've made Light go faster
than the empirical speed of light as well. The light wave was [passed
through a special chamber containign Cesium gas instead of a vaccuum.
Essentially the leadign edge of the light wave exited the chamber before
the wave essentially entered. I love theoretical physics from a
reading/speculating perspective but don't ask me o explain the math behind
it ![]() -------------------- What is dead can never
die. |
Aleshandre |
Posted: Feb 26 2004, 07:35
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The problem with that is that by determining the energy of a light photon, you can determine the mass by inverse of E=MC^2 [M=E/(C^2)], so light photons do have mass. In truth, although light manifests simultaneously as waves and particles, it is technically niether, thus our perceptions of what it is varies based on the perspective that we view it from. BTW, Axel, you are partially correct, light photons have zero rest mass. As soon as they accelerate, they gain a measurable mass. No, I'm not a physicist, but I love to study physics. It's one of my hobbies. -------------------- | ||
Axel |
Posted: Feb 26 2004, 08:10
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However that doesn't change the fact that nothing can
exceed c. You can slow down light, but you can't speed it up.
-------------------- Honorary Paladin of the Lawful Naughty If I seem to hate the d20 system, its only because I hate the system. Actually I just hate 3e, its biased me against the system. I rather like WoT. |
Sharn Penndroen |
Posted: Feb 26 2004, 10:34
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Before 1492, the world was flat, and you couldn't
sail around it because you would fall off. I'm just saying that it is the nature of human pride to believe that we know something definitively because we have not seen anything to disprove it. Any true scientist would never say, "That is impossible." Improbible, maybe. Impossible never. There was a scientist in the early 1930's (I think the date is right) that said that all important scientific discoveries have been made. Science that date, we have discovered DNA and are only scratching the surface of understanding gene control. We have traveled to space. We have done numerous types of organ transplants. We have cloned a sheep. Etc... Sorry for the soap box, but as a scientist, it hits this nerve when I hear someone say, "That would be impossible." Our understanding of light is limited to say the least. Even the theories out there such as the Hologram theory and Superstring theory are only theories attempting to explain the nature of the universe, but lack much needed, but difficult to obtain emperical evidence. I don't believe there is a human being on this earth that has a sufficient understanding of light to say what is possible or impossible for it to do. -------------------- I like swords. |
Paladin of the Lawful Naughty |
Posted: Feb 27 2004, 01:05
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I read through all of the posts on this thread and I
must say ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() -------------------- Spinner of the Great Wheel, Apprentice Lord of the
Sith, Palladian of the Lawful Naughty Recipe for the Palladian of the Lawful Naughty “Take 1 level of Rogue, add 2 or 3 levels of Fighter then add multiple levels of Palladian. When your GM tells you that you are breaking your Palladian’s alignment remind him that your character came from a dysfunctional background so burning the whole village to the ground to rid the world of evil is ok from his point of view.” |
Targul |
Posted: Feb 27 2004, 02:13
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I think you mean COLLEGE, MATHEMATICALLY, and CORRUPTS. Respectfully. Maybe you NEED to be reminded of highschool there Paladin ![]() Just jokin brother. ![]() -------------------- Wait, if I DID evil, and you guys here
ARE evil. Then shouldn't you be showering me with rewards and
concubines, etc.? This is Hell we're big on irony here. Then I'm sure you'll appreciate what is going to occur. I'm dead, so this is some egoscopic projection of myself? Correct, but I hardly see what... So without any fleshy meats to slow me down, how long do you REALLY think it'll take for me to usurp your entire kingdom? I have the entire legions of Hell at my command Enjoy it while you can, Skippy. -Black Mage in Hell (8-bit theater style) | ||
Axel |
Posted: Feb 27 2004, 08:06
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You're going to rely on undiscovered ideas? I don't mind saying there's alot we don't understand, but that's no basis to say something is possible. Since it defies known physics, until those rules are contradicted they still stand. Anyway, I often apply these things to gaming. I like to seek mundane explanations for problems, and even with magic I like to use it in a way that works out in a physically probable manner. I also like using it to make up for problems in my historical scenarios, like a Cold War situation inwhich each side had Wardens of Massive Devastation. -------------------- Honorary Paladin of the Lawful Naughty If I seem to hate the d20 system, its only because I hate the system. Actually I just hate 3e, its biased me against the system. I rather like WoT. | ||
Paladin of the Lawful Naughty |
Posted: Feb 27 2004, 08:48
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Targul, trust me when I say that spelling and math
are not my strong suites. As far as a refresher course goes you're on the
money. I graduated highschool in 1989 and finished my two year COLLEGE
degree (See I know how to cut and paste!) in 1991. ![]() -------------------- Spinner of the Great Wheel, Apprentice Lord of the
Sith, Palladian of the Lawful Naughty Recipe for the Palladian of the Lawful Naughty “Take 1 level of Rogue, add 2 or 3 levels of Fighter then add multiple levels of Palladian. When your GM tells you that you are breaking your Palladian’s alignment remind him that your character came from a dysfunctional background so burning the whole village to the ground to rid the world of evil is ok from his point of view.” |
Targul |
Posted: Feb 27 2004, 08:56
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Just jokin man ![]() ![]() Peace out yo ![]() -------------------- Wait, if I DID evil, and you guys here
ARE evil. Then shouldn't you be showering me with rewards and
concubines, etc.? This is Hell we're big on irony here. Then I'm sure you'll appreciate what is going to occur. I'm dead, so this is some egoscopic projection of myself? Correct, but I hardly see what... So without any fleshy meats to slow me down, how long do you REALLY think it'll take for me to usurp your entire kingdom? I have the entire legions of Hell at my command Enjoy it while you can, Skippy. -Black Mage in Hell (8-bit theater style) |
Paladin of the Lawful Naughty |
Posted: Feb 27 2004, 09:01
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No harm doen. If someone doesn't bust my chops at
least once a day I feel that I am not living up to my Lawful Naughty
status. ![]() -------------------- Spinner of the Great Wheel, Apprentice Lord of the
Sith, Palladian of the Lawful Naughty Recipe for the Palladian of the Lawful Naughty “Take 1 level of Rogue, add 2 or 3 levels of Fighter then add multiple levels of Palladian. When your GM tells you that you are breaking your Palladian’s alignment remind him that your character came from a dysfunctional background so burning the whole village to the ground to rid the world of evil is ok from his point of view.” |
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