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Ashamans_Warder |
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Jul 23 2004, 05:24 PM
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Could the Gestalt System presented in Unearthed
Arcana be a good way to represent certain characters in terms of their
l337 skills? Namely certain The Ta'veren. Or more specifically, Rand, with
his massive combat/channeling prowess.
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Guest |
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Jul 24 2004, 02:58 AM
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I cant remember who it was, but I think that someone
else had already brought this up and attempted to create the gestalt
stats. however, I'm of the opinion that rand is merely epic, not gestalt,
about lvl 27 (and multyclassed up the ying-yang)or so, as opposed to a lvl
20 gestalt. |
Two Rivers Wolfbrother |
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Jul 24 2004, 08:09 AM
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I think Gestalt is a system that you have to decide
to either use completely or not at all. If some players don't have gestalt
levels, but not all, then that sucks. If they all do, then
fine. Gestalt looks to me like well-dressed cross-classing though. It takes longer to advance, and you get the benefits of two classes each level. I personally probably will never use it. It's a good idea, but it just isn't my type. -------------------- This is an old thing, boy. Older than Aes Sedai.
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Ashamans_Warder |
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Jul 25 2004, 12:05 AM
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Under normal circumstances I'd agree, but I think
with Rand being the biggest Ta'veren in 3000 years, it's the kind of thing
I feel could be waved for this one instance.
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Axel |
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Jul 26 2004, 05:01 PM
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I think Gesalt is overpowered. Which may be ok for
DnD DM's who enjoy high-powered campaigns. But no, not for WoT.
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Jul 27 2004, 07:44 AM
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of course gestalt is overpowered, that after all is
the whole point of gestalt, its also why they have you go up against
things with higher CR than normal. and TRW, what do you mean it takes longer to advance? if anything since you are typically going up against things with a CR of one or two higher than normal, you should be advancing faster, or if the DM takes getalt into concideration for XP, then it should take the same amount of time. ![]() |
Kakita Aramoro |
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Jul 27 2004, 07:46 AM
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darn it, forgot to log in ![]() |
Chiz |
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Aug 5 2004, 10:03 AM
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amylrins_peril |
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Aug 8 2004, 06:19 AM
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The concept of gestalt characters for WOT is
something our players have kicked around since Unearthed Arcana came
out. Currently, our campaign is some nine years before Rand is declared the Dragon Reborn ... and the concensus is that until the campaign becomes involved in events from the novels, we'll put gestalt on hold ... However, I have to agree with the poster that the main characters -- Rand, Matt and Perrin and the Supergirls -- are all larger-than-life living legends, and as such, probably deserving of gestalt builds. It certainly solves the problems many of us are having in recreating certain channelers (the Forsaken, Moraine and Verin). If you are using gestalt as a one shot, I'd love to see what they do against the Eyeless, not to mention Ishy, Moggy or Lanfear. This post has been edited by amylrins_peril on Aug 8 2004, 06:20 AM |
Llewin |
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Aug 19 2004, 07:03 PM
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As i'm broke and havent read unearthed arcana could
someone possibly give me an idea fo how gestalt works? Also i really like the idea of verin and/or moiraine being exceptional legendary characters... could they as well as the powerpuff girls be tied to the Horn? |
amylrins_peril |
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Aug 20 2004, 05:52 AM
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In Gestalt you multiclass at every level, taking the
best from each character class -- essentially creating a superhero.
Pick your two classes, then build using the best Hit Die, best BAB, best Save progression and the one offering the Most Class Skill Points. For class features, take both. In the case of the Algai'd'siswai/Armsman, that would mean HD d10, BAB +1, Saves of Fort +2, Ref +1 and Will +0; Def +4, Rep 0, 4 Skill points and the Features of Fast Movement, Weapon Focus shortspear and a Bonus Feat. Keep in mind, however, that class restrictions on weapons for the Algai'd'siswai remain intact. Of course, using two warriors as an example really doesn't do it justice. Combine a channeler with a warrior class and then you're really cookin' with gas. |
Llewin |
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Aug 20 2004, 06:18 PM
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*blink* um... that does sound remarkably like rand.... but can you do it with more than two classes? example rand is woodsman/wilder/intiate/algai'd'siswai and multiclassing asha'man/blademaster right? This post has been edited by Llewin on Aug 20 2004, 06:19 PM |
amylrins_peril |
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Aug 20 2004, 09:51 PM
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You may want to consult a higher power, but
.... My reading of it is that at each level, you can only pick from two. So if you wanted to add another class or prestige class, you'd have to limit yourself to two classes at any one level. So you could add a third class, but at the expense of another. Yeah, these builds get wicked very fast. |
Llewin |
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Aug 20 2004, 10:28 PM
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wow... ok i think i'm gonna try making rand in this style... potentially all major ta'veren rand, mat, perrin, artur hawkwing etc would naturally be this magnitude of class combo? |
Kakita Aramoro |
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Aug 22 2004, 10:19 PM
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once you start making gestalt, you rather quickly
have to either limit yourself to one, or else make everybody who is
anybody gestalt as well. so start off with rand (who has the best
explanation for being gestalt anyways, what with his multiple personality
problem) and then chose if you want to make all other trully powerfull
characters gestalt as well. |
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