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Two Rivers Wolfbrother
Posted: Oct 7 2004, 09:33 AM
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Has anyone ever done the Ael and the Eel? I just checked the UtDB and the AoI, and didn't see them there. If so, what types of creatures would they be? Zarozynia used Immortal for similar creatures, which I don't have a problem with other than the unintentional insinuation that it sends that they can't be killed. I don't know much about them at all. If somebody has information about these guys, I'd much appreciate it.
'Cause yeah, I think it'd be really neat to have stats for the Aelfinna and Eelfinn, and also some others like the ones Zarozynia came up with and ones I'm working on. Maybe their type would be "Finn."
On a side note, do you think they use the True Source?

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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 06:07 PM
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I'll pull up some info on them...*goes to search the books and her other resources on the books*
Off topic though...
I would really like your email address...preferably on an email addressed to me (mail to goddessbekah@buzzle.com) with your Two Rivers (and any others if you have them) Background!
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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 06:13 PM
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Alright. I will do that..............in a few minutes. Send you the Two Rivers background, that is.
I'm working on some others, such as the Tuatha'an background. When do you wanna compile all these? Like, tomorrow?


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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 06:22 PM
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TRW, my understanding of the immortal creature type, and I could be wrong, is that it would fit the 'Finns perfectly. Bascially, immortal is generally used for Fae type creatures and it means that they cannot just be "killed" randomly with whatever weapon you want. that they are suseptible to certain weapons, or whatever. And that they wouldn't neccessarily just die of old age, disease, etc.

However, perfecly fine with you changing the creature type to 'Finn if you feel the need. It may make things clearer.

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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 06:27 PM
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I'm not saying I dislike the Immortal type (has that been used anywhere else?). I'm just saying that it could be confusing. To me, immortal means not mortal, meaning not susceptible to death. I have no problem with it, quite honestly.
So, anybody got stats for 'em, or anyone think they use the True Power?


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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 06:28 PM
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works...thanks!
Hehe...my intent is to revive the original project (that got kind of put asside, so I just compiled mine at the time and left it for a moment) and get a huge book of backgrounds for people.

Oh...and about the Finns...

Here's the summary-type scoop from the net...I'll put up book-type excerpts if I find anything really neat
Finns FAQ
Enclyclopaedia Wot: Finns


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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 06:51 PM
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Wow, thanks! Much information. If nobody else is gonna come up with something, I'll have to and have it butchered here.


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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 07:07 PM
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TWR, just one quick answer to one of your finn questions, they couldnt use the True Power...they fight the dark one and the True Power comes straight from him...

As to the One Power... that we dont know, but if memory serves me...which it is really reluctant to do sometimes *wink*...I think there are warnings about using the One Power around the Finn, about it being dangerous...so that makes me lean toward 'no' on them being one power users... plus they are created beings, like trollocs...

I think the basic concept behind fae mortality sounds good. though we dont know they *don't* die of normal causes...there is indication that they are suceptible to certain forms of attack or damage EG music/fire/iron... so if you took the idea behind celtic/gaelic fae..in that they were immortal and unable to die of 'natural causes' they could still be killed
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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 07:09 PM
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created beings?
where did that come up?
I seriously don't remember that. I was under the impression that they were of another world and merely linked into this one via the tower (which can actually be seen in RL) and doorways.


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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 07:10 PM
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I believe the big book of bad art says that ogier are the only non-human species that was not man-made at some past point... I dont have the source in front of me though.
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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 07:14 PM
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well, llewin, that cant be quite right...if the seanchan exotics came in through other mirror worlds, as I am pretty certain that it also says. could in be that our cannon contradicts itself? biggrin.gif

in other places besides where Galad is so into Egwene in the early books and then Elayne later says that he used to have a thing for Nynaeve.

Silly RJ, cant keep his facts straight. wink.gif


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Posted: Oct 7 2004, 07:15 PM
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Ah clarification... non-human 'humanoid' species smile.gif not non-human in general... i mean...that'd include chickens, wolves, ducks, ferrets, and leatherleaf trees! smile.gif
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Posted: Oct 8 2004, 12:20 AM
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um...problem.
I believe the statement you're using refers to the world the books are set in.
The Finns are not part of that world, they merely can get into that world through the tower. Therefore they need not be created beings.


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Posted: Oct 12 2004, 03:39 AM
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So what is the general consensus as to what Type of creature they should be? Immortal? Finn? Fae? Monstrous Humanoid? Humanoid?


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Posted: Oct 12 2004, 05:01 AM
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going through the descriptors in the monster manual...

I think humanoid is out because they have little to no "supernatural or extraordinary abilities"

Fae is a possability....have supernatural abilities and normally are connected to nature or a particular place. also low light vision.

Monstorous Humanoid may work...says that they have some human and some animal qualities, often with supernatural abilities normally have dark vision

Outsider...that seems maybe right. I mean, they are from another mirror world, does that count as being from another plane? normally have dark vision

Or we could make one up and call it 'Finn, too. Using the Fae characteristics?

All thoughs, no answers. Sorry.

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Posted: Oct 12 2004, 06:59 AM
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I personally am leaning toward Outsider or Finn. Anyone else got an opinion?


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Posted: Oct 12 2004, 07:32 AM
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outsider is the best bet i'd say


plus it gives you a whole slew of monsters to populate your dorrway worlds aka D20MM



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Posted: Oct 12 2004, 05:10 PM
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Maybe call them Medium Outsider ('Finn)

If anything, just a way to clarify what world their from would be good. When I made the Gholien character, I combined the traits of some of the fey like the nymphs with elves pretty much. Do you want me to send you the base descriptor for what the MM says that outsiders should have, or do you have it?



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Posted: Oct 12 2004, 06:08 PM
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I have it. But thanks.


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Posted: Oct 12 2004, 06:29 PM
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I tried to post to this yesterday from home and got distracted lol smile.gif

I dont think we should call them Finn since only RJ's actual creations have that in their name, it just doesnt seem logical to me to call the Gholien a 'finn' race...

I think outsider or why dont we come up with something in the old tongue?? smile.gif

Lets keep things WOTish as much as possible! smile.gif

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