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Kakita Aramoro |
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Aug 12 2004, 09:11 AM
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Elder Scholar ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 167 Member No.: 74 Joined: 1-February 04 ![]() |
Just how much damage did the Aiel do to the Capital
city? I remember that they burned down the now topless towers, but did
they simply burn the entire city down around the heads of the Cairhienin
dogs, with the exception of the library, or was the devastation limited to
the simbolic towers? Also, just how much damage did they do to the countryside, did the people decide to stop farming just because they were afraid of the Aiel, or did they actually salt the ground or some such? I'm setting up a game in the timeframe and I'm concidering the devastated country as a centerpoint. thank you guys in advance for any help you can provide ![]() |
Entropic_existence |
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Aug 13 2004, 03:34 AM
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Breaker-of-horses-and-men ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 190 Member No.: 22 Joined: 15-January 04 ![]() |
No they didn't salt the ground. The War ocer it's 3
year span carried across more lands than simply Cairhien. I would imagine
the pillaged towns, burnt some maybe. Destruction in Cairhien was likely
pretty severe but they didn't burn the city to the ground or anything,
otherwise it wouldn't have been rebuilt in the shape it is in 20 years
later. -------------------- What is dead can never
die. |
Reimer Bo |
Posted:
Aug 14 2004, 06:59 PM
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Learned Master ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 21 Member No.: 84 Joined: 8-February 04 ![]() |
As I remember it, the destruction in Cairhien was
pretty devastating because the Cairhien was the main enemy among the
“wetlanders”. The Aiel took their predetermined share, can't remember if
it is a fifth or third, so yes, they pillaged. A side note is the library of Cairhien was sparred complete from both pillaging and ravaging due to Aial’s respect for books. |
Sharn Penndroen |
Posted:
Aug 14 2004, 07:29 PM
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The aiel believe they are entitled to the
Fifth. All always remember that it is twice as much as a Tithing. -------------------- It's like the blank stares of a million pairs of
blind eyes. |
Kakita Aramoro |
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Aug 16 2004, 08:43 PM
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Elder Scholar ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 167 Member No.: 74 Joined: 1-February 04 ![]() |
so even in Cairhien they only took the fifth? seems
almost too honorable for the honorless dogs that chopped down
avendesora.... oh well ![]() |
Sharn Penndroen |
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Aug 17 2004, 04:03 AM
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Even in Cairhien. They don't consider themselves to
be raiding and pillaging. They believe it is what is truly owed to them
because they won. Since the 5th is owed to them and not more than that,
taking more would make them common bandits and thieves and we all know how
the aiel treat thieves. -------------------- It's like the blank stares of a million pairs of
blind eyes. |
Llewin |
Posted:
Aug 18 2004, 01:47 AM
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Learned Master ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 27 Member No.: 138 Joined: 25-April 04 ![]() |
A couple of things. The aiel crossed the spine of the world for one reason, to kill the oathbreaker (note not oathbreakerS) There goal was to execute the king of Cairhien. As I see it any damage they did before they got to that point would have been for purely tactical reasons. I dont believe the would have burned down anything or destroyed anything unless they felt it would impeed the armies of the westlands from their attempts to stop the Aiel advance. Also, though the damage to the city of cairhien was extensive this would only have been because the aiel were being kept out of the city as long as possible by the military lead by their King. Once the aiel got what the wanted, King damodred's head on a stick, they left. Well, the nearly left...they spent a bit more time trying to take out teh white tower because they were caught up in the whole thing but once they realized that was a lost cause they went home, after all, they had finished their goal. |
Kakita Aramoro |
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Aug 18 2004, 08:35 AM
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Elder Scholar ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 167 Member No.: 74 Joined: 1-February 04 ![]() |
Do you huys know if there was street to street
fighting in the capital then? Because if there was then that would explain
all sorts of damage to the city, you know burn down that building to
impede the Aiel advance while the cairhien had time to re-group, or use
catapults from inside the inner walls against the rest of the city due to
it's being ocupied by Aiel. or even just from using seige weapons from the
outside on the city. ![]() ![]() |
Llewin |
Posted:
Aug 18 2004, 07:09 PM
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Learned Master ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 27 Member No.: 138 Joined: 25-April 04 ![]() |
I dont remember battle inside the walls being
specifically mentioned. However I somehow doubt King Damodred was out on
the field of battle cutting aiel 7 inches shorter once he realized they
were after him specifically which would have been the case I would
imagine. It's certainly a good reason for all of the damage done. I say
unless RJ has said otherwise, run with it. |
Entropic_existence |
Posted:
Aug 19 2004, 02:26 PM
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Breaker-of-horses-and-men ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 190 Member No.: 22 Joined: 15-January 04 ![]() |
Actually the Aiel went to Cairhien first, Laman
escaped Cairhien and the Aiel chased him through Murandy, etc for about 3
years. The fighting ended up around Tar Valon and at this point Laman is
still alive. Sometime during the Battle of the Blood Snows Laman was
executed. That is when the Aiel left, as soon as Laman was dead.
-------------------- What is dead can never
die. |
Llewin |
Posted:
Aug 19 2004, 06:40 PM
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Learned Master ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 27 Member No.: 138 Joined: 25-April 04 ![]() |
RIGHT! Thank you. That's correct. Nonetheless I'm
sure Laman Damodred stayed inside the city walls as long as possible which
means the aiel most likely sieged, and took control of the city eventually
before he escaped and ran. yes? ~llewin |
Zarozynia |
Posted:
Aug 19 2004, 08:19 PM
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that is a good assumption Llewin, but can we make it?
Laman may have run away immediately, he seems to me to have been the
cowardly type, especially when a group of Aiel are out to execute him.
Which I assume that he have may have figured out, or at least he knew that
he was the cause of the war. -------------------- Legends of Darkness Are Not Always Myths - An Ongoing
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Llewin |
Posted:
Aug 19 2004, 09:57 PM
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Learned Master ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 27 Member No.: 138 Joined: 25-April 04 ![]() |
Zaro, I agree with his cowardlyness but he also
showed himself to be perhaps the cockiest person alive. After all he
decided to cut down avendoraldera for...what, a chair? I mean really...
The point I mean to make is that I believe that the ruler of a nation
beset by 'little-man's disease' already would surely have believed his
great capitol able to stand agains the wooden spears of some desert
savages, right? I cant imagine any monarch of the westlands assuming the aiel had the ability to effectively besiege their greatest cities. I think he would have made the assumption his safest location was the palace or atleast somewhere in the city, and would not have made the decision to run until it became obvious that his walls and military were not up to the task. ~llewin |
Llewin |
Posted:
Aug 19 2004, 09:57 PM
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Learned Master ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 27 Member No.: 138 Joined: 25-April 04 ![]() |
Doh, double post..lagged sorry... ![]() This post has been edited by Llewin on Aug 19 2004, 10:02 PM |
Kakita Aramoro |
Posted:
Aug 20 2004, 09:27 PM
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Elder Scholar ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 167 Member No.: 74 Joined: 1-February 04 ![]() |
And, being a coward, he probably left in stealth,
leaving the Aiel to besiege a city he was no longer in thus buying himself
a little more time at the cost of a few more of his people. |
Llewin |
Posted:
Aug 20 2004, 11:43 PM
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Learned Master ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 27 Member No.: 138 Joined: 25-April 04 ![]() |
exactly!! ![]() |
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