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Foxhead |
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It probably means nothing, just a thing I noted; but
knowing Jordan, you never know. Ogier Gardeners (Seanchan Ogiers) don't seam to suffer from longing like the Ogiers from main continent (I'll be dead before I call it r******d). I know that it is possible that they choose only young ones that have never left steading, and keep them for some time, but that doesn't seam to be the case. My argument, that they in reality don't long, is the fact that, at least by our knowlige, there is no steding, abandoned, or not, close to Ebou Dar, and if the Gardeners really did long, there would certainly be an extensive search for steadings, so they could keep them steady. I mean, Seanchan are to well organized, army nation to allow any slack of their soldiers, especially their best soldiers... Now, I know that it seams to a little holow, but I understand that any ebsance, from steading, longer then a coupple of months cause the beggining of longing, and the Ogiers become weary, a bit moody, weakened then their normal selves, etc... If I missed something, or you notice a hole in this wholle ordeal, tell me... -------------------- Freak, an' damn proud of
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Zinuk |
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Jul 18 2004, 07:22 PM
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The reason why Wesland Ogier long is because of the
Exile:
The most probable is that no such thing as the Exile happened in Seanchan, and so Seanchan Ogier aren't as firmly bound to steddings as are Westland Ogiers, and so can freely travel where they want without fearing the Longing. The other possibility is that, since it takes some years before the Longing begins to be a problem, they are not in a hurry of finding steddings. | ||
Foxhead |
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Jul 18 2004, 10:45 PM
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It doesn't make much sense that only maincontinent
(sorry, but, for me, westland is the place beyond the waste, since no
one's really sure what's it's reall name) ogiers were striked by exile. I
mean, the whole worlld was changed in the braking... And as I sead, the
way I understand it, longing strikes ogier fairly quickly after the leave
the stedding, but it needs a coupple of years to strike them havilly
enough to start to physicaly suffer from it, but, as I said, The seanchan
have to good military organisation to allow any faults within their army,
and especially with their best wariors, and an itching fealling in the
back of their mind can be described as a fault
-------------------- Freak, an' damn proud of
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Entropic_existence |
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Jul 20 2004, 12:24 AM
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If you are refering to what is generally called Shara, it's east of the waste...so could hardly be called the Westlands, unless you mean west of Seanchan, and god knows how large that ocean is. -------------------- What is dead can never
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Zinuk |
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Jul 20 2004, 10:55 AM
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When I say westlands, I mean the lands that are west
of the Waste. Just like, on real earth, West countries usually mean
Europe, USA and Canada. As this land doesn't have any name (unlike Shara,
the Aiel Waste and Seanchan), it's the best name I can think
of. Anyway, as for the longing, the only things we have info on is westland Ogiers. The BBoBA only speaks of them. We don't know anything about Shara Ogier (we don't even know if there are some) and know very little about Seanchan Ogier (just that they are different from Westland Ogiers). The reason why Seanchan Ogier could not suffer about the longing (this is only a hypothesis) is because quite a number of things went differently in Seanchan (ter'anreal making was not lost until the Hawking conquest; at first, Portal Stone travel was not forgotten, ...). As being a separate continent, it is possible that male channelers were taken care of more efficently; after all, Seanchan Aes Sedai were really different of Westland Aes Sedai. If the breaking was not as terrible, then maybe the Exile didn't take place, and so the longing isn't a problem. Even if the breaking went the same way in Seanchan and Weslands, it still takes a few years before the longing becomes a physical suffering. Just look at Loial: sure he misses the steddings, but not a lot more than someone who never went away of his home and wants to go back home. The longing is the physical need to go back to the stedding. So before the Seanchan Ogier are in danger, there is still a few years to go by. And in this case, Seanchan are used to this problem, as they probably have the same problem in Seanchan (steddings are not all over the place, even in Seanchan, just at a few chosen points), so are probably used to deal with this sort of problem. |
Foxhead |
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Jul 20 2004, 10:15 PM
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Sorry, my mistake. I accidentaly mixed Seanchan
Continent and the place the Sea folk reffer as to the isles of mad, or
something like that. Since the isles of mad don't strike me as geniual
name, I called them westlands, beause, as I earlier mentioned, somehow
mixed them with seanchan. I repeat, my mistake. I disagree on the matter of Loial, He is showing some serious signs of beeing wery unwell, because of beeing outside of steading for more then tree years (correct me if I'm not remembering well). -------------------- Freak, an' damn proud of
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Zinuk |
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Jul 21 2004, 12:54 PM
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Well, yes, it would be better to call them the Southlands... ![]()
Here are a few quotes on the matter:
From this, we can gather the following facts:
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Foxhead |
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Jul 21 2004, 09:39 PM
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Ok, I admit partial defeat. The thing is, all of my
books exept DR, and SR are out with my friends, and a I din't have a
necesary data. But I bellive that the only reason Loial does not appear to
be suffering from the Longing at CoT is because he had the opportunity to
make brief steading wisits, look at it this way... He, and the Asha'man, I
can't remember his name, were on a mission to go off, and seall all of the
waygates, and they were traveling by gateways( no pun intended, but
there), which are, mostly, at the edges of the Steadings, and before they
could seall it off, they had to convince the ogier elders to allow them to
do that, and with the empty steadings, all he had to do was make a step,
and there... You must admit it has logic... and I still stand that, only a few months after an Ogier leaves the steading, he begins to feall longing, but the fealing is so small, insignificant, and far in the back of his head, that he doesn't even notices, or understand what it is... -------------------- Freak, an' damn proud of
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Entropic_existence |
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Jul 21 2004, 11:16 PM
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Breaker-of-horses-and-men ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 169 Member No.: 22 Joined: 15-January 04 ![]() |
Loial was on his own and outside the stedding for 3
years before running into our Heroes in Eye of the World, and is in rather
good shape then. As he said it takes awhile for the Longing to settle in,
definitly longer than a few months. As for the Seanchan like most I don't
think they suffer from the Longing because there was no long exile as
there was for the Western Ogier. According to Loial it appears there was
no Longing before the Breaking of the World, only after when they
apparently went years, if not decades (or longer), before beginning to
find the Stedding again. -------------------- What is dead can never
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