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> Blade of fire, A curius quandry.
Blaeric Fen
Posted: Feb 4 2004, 05:28 PM
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Does the object created by the blade of fire weave cause damage if used in melee? or ranged combat for that matter? could it be cast on an arrow & would the arrow cause bonus slashing damage? or something like that.


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Posted: Feb 4 2004, 06:42 PM
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Help remind me, is that the weave that Moirane uses to cut open the waygate at the end of EotW? It creates a 5 inch - 2 foot blade of fire from the end of a staff, etc?

If it is the one I'm thinking of, I think it can only be 'produced' from a wooden staff or cudgel. In such a case, I would treat a q-staff as a normal q-staff that does 1d6 dmg on one end and 2d6(?) fire damage on the other.

Hold on, got my book out....

It says right in the first paragraph of the description that if used against a creature it requires a melee touch attack and deals 2d6 fire dmg. I was wrong on the 'only wooden staff' part though - you can use it on any wieldable object basically.

I'd allow it on an arrow, but that is a rather wasteful use of it, since the arrow is destroyed and useless after it is fired and hits its target.


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Posted: Feb 4 2004, 07:06 PM
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Me, on the other hand, I wouldn't allow it with an arrow unless you use it in melee. it implies you hold the item that's burning.
Basically, all thsi weave does is turns a stick into an wielding torch.


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Blaeric Fen
Posted: Feb 4 2004, 08:07 PM
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AH, the old implied meaning, you gotta love those. Anyway, if it was cast on a dagger & the dagger was thrown, would the weave remain on the dagger after it's thrown & hits, or would it dissipate? My understanding is that as long as the channeler is concentrating on the weave (or has it tied off) the fire remains. Did anyone else understand it that way?


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Posted: Feb 4 2004, 09:18 PM
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The blade of fire weave does not need a "handle" that I'm aware of. Rand makes it all the time and holds it. From my understanding, it has to be melee and you have to hold it. The only way around that that I can think of is a HUGE maybe because I don't have the book to check, but if you tie off the weave it might last for the usual three days or however long a tied off weave lasts and you might be able to "throw" said weapon then.

However, what you COULD do with an arrow is imbue it with fire, a similiar weave, OR turn the arrow head into a grenade.
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Blaeric Fen
Posted: Feb 4 2004, 09:32 PM
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Finn, you're thinking of the fiery sword weave when you talk about the sword that rand weilds often.


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Posted: Feb 4 2004, 10:19 PM
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i would rule that the weapon has to be held by the channeller even if tied off, otherwise all you'd get is an initiate casting this weave and handing the blade of fire weapon off to the armsmen who use it to kill.

see fiery sword weave thread for more details about tying off weaves etc

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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 12:44 AM
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mantyluoto is correct (once again). According to the weave, you grip and it makes your cutting torch. Then you cut. The weave really isn't that good for combat use, as it does a flat 2d6 damage. It's main use is to cut through things. Like i said. It's a Cutting Torch weave.


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Kakita Aramoro
Posted: Feb 5 2004, 02:05 AM
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the weave's main combat use is against that armsman wearing the fullplate, assuming that your channeler would actually want to be anywhere near that armsman, of course smile.gif
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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE (Kakita Aramoro @ Feb 4 2004, 09:05 PM)
the weave's main combat use is against that armsman wearing the fullplate, assuming that your channeler would actually want to be anywhere near that armsman, of course smile.gif

LOL cut off his armor as he's cutting off your arm, for instance?


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Posted: Feb 5 2004, 05:11 PM
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i haven't got my books with me at the moment but it doesn't give bonues against armoured people?yes i know it can cut through metal with a little time but that doesn't effect combat does it?

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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 05:43 AM
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you cant really use it to cut off someones armor (by the standard rules anyways), but Blade of fire uses a tuch attack against creatures, and armor does not count towards your defense vrs touch attacks. thus simeone wearing full plate and a large shield has a defense that is 10 lower to your blade of fire than it is against other weapons. So, do you use your warder's sword and have a 35% chance of dealing 1d10 +5 damage, or your blade of fire and have an 85% chance to deal 2d6 dmg?

that is the main combat advantage of blade of fire.
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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 03:31 PM
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Well, in my own campaigns, if someone castes Blade of Fire along the from the handle of a melee weapon then I allow the damage to stack. I don't see how the blade of fire makes the weapon's normal damage null and void. It is similar to a flaming weapon in DnD at that point.

Another point, I also give Fiery Sword a +3 attack bonus. This is due to the fact that Rand mentions that he felt much more confortable with the fiery sword since it was like part of him. I figure that it is atleast as balanced as a +3 powerwrought weapon. I do not give the +3 to damage though.

That's the way I handle these two weaves. Others would disagree, but I long ago quit caring about that. tongue.gif


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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 03:52 PM
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according to the way the rules are written, wouldn't creating a Blade of Fire from the hilt of a dagger incinerate the blade?


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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 04:46 PM
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to Quote the book

"You grasp a knife, wand, staff or other object and a lance of white flame extends from its tip."

That means that the actual blade is not harmed as the Blade of Fire doesn't come from out of the hilt but the tip of the blade, staff etc.

BUT if it die come from the hilt then i would rule that yes it would destroy the blade.

as to Fiery sword i havent let my player have that one yet biggrin.gif


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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 06:28 PM
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well, if it comes from the tip, no matter what you do, the flame'll hit first, blasting a hole through the target before the actual metal meets. That's the reason why the damage doesn't stack; there's nothing left to slice at once the actual metal penetrates.


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Blaeric Fen
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 06:30 PM
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That makes sense, the damage caused by the flame would happen before the blade damage.


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Sharn Penndroen
Posted: Feb 6 2004, 09:32 PM
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**Shrugs**

I can just call it a variant of Blade of Fire that forms fire around the blade. I'd probably reduce the additional damage to 1d6 fire damage. Last I checked channelers in WoT never looked up in a book what they could and couldn't do. And I'd say this definitely falls in the realm of, "yes it is possible."


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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 09:54 PM
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i fully agree Sharn, but then it just goes with the flaming sword feel from plane old D&D.

But maybe you could make a new weave up instead.


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Posted: Feb 6 2004, 09:59 PM
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**Nods**

I realize that, but I generally don't like to go to the trouble of writing a new weave for something so similiar and simple. I'd rather just give an already existing weave another use. Lazy? Maybe. Easier? Definitely.

I guess the real point is, you guys are right. As written, the Blade of Fire weave will probably not stack with weapon damage. My point is, at this point there is more that I've changed in my WoT campaign than I've left as written. This is definitely one of the more minor changes. smile.gif


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