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> Tree Singing, IS it completly usless?
Niveus
Posted: Jul 4 2004, 05:23 AM
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Actully in my campaignes tree singing is very useful i took my insperration for it from the wishsong of shannara and the already exsisiting discription of what it can do

1. altering a plant is only possible as long as the end result is possible for it to have happened naturally however unlikely

2. changing an exsisting plant if the disired result is to different from its current state then the plant is destroyed quite destuctivly

3. staves can be made but not more complex weapons (too unatural) leaves can be made into plant scales for armour (hard and strong)



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Posted: Jul 4 2004, 10:49 AM
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Everything depends on what you mean by useful. If useful means making uber weapons and armors, treesinging is certainly useless. In fact, Ogier use the treesinging to do art, not to do weapons; they would only do such a thing in extreme situation.

Moreover, I'm not sure it would be possible, in WoT, to make plant scales armor from leaves. This would just be too strange in this universe. Of course, if you are planing to use those rules in another setting, there is no problem, but what I wanted to point out that they just don't fit the WoT canon universe.
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Posted: Jul 4 2004, 09:05 PM
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Posted: Jul 5 2004, 01:33 AM
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1. altering a plant is only possible as long as the end result is possible for it to have happened naturally however unlikely


But we know this isn't always so. Treesingers of the past could shape the wood into anything they desired, including treesung beds, etc. No treesinger has been strong enough to do that in centuries but it is possible. In my opinion Treesinging is very cool, and makes a great roleplay ability for an Ogier in the party.


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Posted: Jul 5 2004, 02:05 AM
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QUOTE (Entropic_existence @ Jul 4 2004, 11:33 PM)
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1. altering a plant is only possible as long as the end result is possible for it to have happened naturally however unlikely


But we know this isn't always so. Treesingers of the past could shape the wood into anything they desired, including treesung beds, etc. No treesinger has been strong enough to do that in centuries but it is possible. In my opinion Treesinging is very cool, and makes a great roleplay ability for an Ogier in the party.

your right but as robert jordan has only lightly tapped the resource of tree singing i would still suggest a read of the wishong of shannara it shows some cool applications like bridge building breaking a castle wall etc.. although not 100% compatible it is very helful to give Dm's and Players ideas on what tree singing can do


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Posted: Jul 5 2004, 02:20 AM
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I personally think treesinging scale armor made of hardened leaves is totally possible, and a great idea! If nothing else, it could be like a vine that forms itself into the shape of the armor. Also hardened bark armor would be cool.
If people try to stay too canon, then people aren't using their imaginations. This universe, in my opinion, is to be expanded and broadened as time goes by, as creative people like us come up with new takes on things, and as Jordan unfolds the world for us. There's a reason not every question's answered, and there's a reason some things are introduced but not used often, like treesinging. We haven't seen too much of that, but who knows what limits it has? Same with Old Blooded people, wolfbrothers, and even channelers.


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Posted: Jul 5 2004, 02:33 AM
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things i am sure that tree singing can do

Break Castle walls
Make a bridge across a chasm
make componants for other things like cogs or pullies (mastercraft)
Bark armour
Staves and handles
entangle foes in vines
cover traces of your passing in woodland areas
make plants grow into odd shapes
kill plants (not a good idea but if you abuse the power you can)
create wayward trees (shelters from rain and snow)

there are probably more but this is a good start



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