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MagusRogue
Posted: Feb 18 2004, 10:32 PM
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Chapter four, the first thing they talk about is adding Class Defense Bonuses. It says that your class defense bonus will not stack with Armor bonuses, but any other bonus (includign shield) DOES stack. boo-ya!

the only problem i have here is that it says that a rogue has worse defense bonuses than a fighter... *furrows brows* i don't know about that.

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Targul
Posted: Feb 18 2004, 10:40 PM
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Right but does the Fighter get Armor Compatibility by those rules? In combat a fighter should be better at defending themselves that a rogue. Just makes sense to me.

If I remember correctly that same rule says you should make all armor into DR effectively.

To lazy to go grab my copy and check to be sure right now. Pushed myself a kinda hard with PT today.

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Posted: Feb 18 2004, 10:50 PM
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basically, they say use the higher one. There's a later Armor variant that allows you to make armor into DR. Divide your armor bonus by half (round down), and that's it's DR. Subtract DR from the armor bonus and you get the new armor bonus to AC. it's also suggested if you're using both Class Defense Bonuses and Armor as DR that armor bonuses always overule class defense. so you can choose DR but worse defense bonus, or an awesome defense bonus.

Problem with using the new class defense bonuses is that Algai'd'siswai would loose 4 points off their Defense Bonus, while Armsmen would gain 4 points to their defense bonus. But then again, WoT has it's own class defense bonus.

I'm just taking a page from this and allowing shield bonuses (which are seperate from armor) to stack with class defense.


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Posted: Feb 18 2004, 10:53 PM
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This brings another question. Anyone thought of using the Magic (Power?) Rating, presented in chapter 5? this rule means you get a scaling rating rating with your classes that acts as your casting level, and even non-spellcasting classes add to this (though pitifully). I haven't fully explored this option yet, but....


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Targul
Posted: Feb 18 2004, 11:03 PM
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Kinda makes sense though doesn't it. Just because you are concentrating on other forms of training. Learning new things, doesn't mean that you should stop growing with the Power. You just learn and grow stronger at a slower pace since you aren't devoting yourself to it and concentrating on those abilities as you would if you took a channeling class.


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Then I'm sure you'll appreciate what is going to occur.
I'm dead, so this is some egoscopic projection of myself?
Correct, but I hardly see what...
So without any fleshy meats to slow me down, how long do you REALLY think it'll take for me to usurp your entire kingdom?
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Enjoy it while you can, Skippy.

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MagusRogue
Posted: Feb 18 2004, 11:20 PM
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yeah, i kinda like it. The Magic rating is a flat 1:1 (rating:level) for full-fledged casters, while partial casters like bards and paladins get a 1:2 going on, and noncasters get a 1:4 ratio going.


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Targul
Posted: Feb 18 2004, 11:36 PM
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See Magus gets it! Why can't my GM? huh.gif


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Correct, but I hardly see what...
So without any fleshy meats to slow me down, how long do you REALLY think it'll take for me to usurp your entire kingdom?
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Posted: Feb 19 2004, 12:09 AM
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hmn, shouldn't bards get something better than paladins? like 3:4?
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Posted: Feb 19 2004, 03:22 AM
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actually, you're partly right. A bard is a full caster, and thus gets a 1:1. my bad!

monks also got a 1:2 going on. prolly cuz fo the self-enlightenment stuff

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Targul
Posted: Feb 19 2004, 05:19 AM
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Hey Enlightenment and esoteric knowledge should be useful for something right?


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This is Hell we're big on irony here.
Then I'm sure you'll appreciate what is going to occur.
I'm dead, so this is some egoscopic projection of myself?
Correct, but I hardly see what...
So without any fleshy meats to slow me down, how long do you REALLY think it'll take for me to usurp your entire kingdom?
I have the entire legions of Hell at my command
Enjoy it while you can, Skippy.

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Posted: Feb 19 2004, 05:35 AM
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does that mean that a cleric multyclassing into monk would work better now? sweet biggrin.gif
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Targul
Posted: Feb 19 2004, 06:34 AM
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Yes and No. If your GM includes the variant your cleric half would continue to gain effective caster lvls. So would upgrade fireball damage, durations, areas,etc but you don't gain any more spells per day


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Wait, if I DID evil, and you guys here ARE evil. Then shouldn't you be showering me with rewards and concubines, etc.?
This is Hell we're big on irony here.
Then I'm sure you'll appreciate what is going to occur.
I'm dead, so this is some egoscopic projection of myself?
Correct, but I hardly see what...
So without any fleshy meats to slow me down, how long do you REALLY think it'll take for me to usurp your entire kingdom?
I have the entire legions of Hell at my command
Enjoy it while you can, Skippy.

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Posted: Feb 19 2004, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE (Targul @ Feb 18 2004, 07:34 PM)
Yes and No. If your GM includes the variant your cleric half would continue to gain effective caster lvls. So would upgrade fireball damage, durations, areas,etc but you don't gain any more spells per day

that's better than it was, though. *G*


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Targul
Posted: Feb 19 2004, 11:08 PM
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True. Oh so VERY true. Been trying to get this type of thing implemented in a game I play for the longest time. Now I have a little more backing.

It's definitely going into my Wheel game.


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This is Hell we're big on irony here.
Then I'm sure you'll appreciate what is going to occur.
I'm dead, so this is some egoscopic projection of myself?
Correct, but I hardly see what...
So without any fleshy meats to slow me down, how long do you REALLY think it'll take for me to usurp your entire kingdom?
I have the entire legions of Hell at my command
Enjoy it while you can, Skippy.

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Kakita Aramoro
Posted: Feb 20 2004, 05:03 AM
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wait, do they differentiate between arcane and divine magic? if they dont then the mystic theaurge(Sp?) suddenly gets a nice boost that brings it up to something I might actually play, instead of scoff at smile.gif
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Posted: Feb 20 2004, 05:58 AM
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they don't, which means arcane and divine levels stack for purposes of casting level. although there's an addenum to it saying if you don't feel that arcane and divine magic ratings hsould stack, don't let them.


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Posted: Feb 20 2004, 06:54 PM
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Psst ive ordered it from Amazon.com. YAY for me now only 3 weeks to wait "sigh" biggrin.gif


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Posted: Feb 25 2004, 06:34 PM
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ive got it yay!!!!!!! havent had time to read it yet but its here biggrin.gif


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Posted: Feb 25 2004, 06:41 PM
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i know you've heard this very VERY often, but........ READ THE BOOKS!!!! mwa ha ha ha ha ha!!!! laugh.gif


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Posted: Feb 25 2004, 06:45 PM
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i would say bollocks but i'd get told off for being rude biggrin.gif

Magus any chance you can help an old guy out. i cant find the rules for Angreal/Linking as we discussed. i remember that you did it in words of 1 sylable so i could understand it. you remenber where?


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