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> Aiel and gai'shain, May you always find shade
lordrodd
Posted: Oct 29 2004, 08:27 PM
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Ok, here are the questions. Lets say that a wise one and two maidens are travel and attacked by some shaido. The maidens are taken as gai'shain. What happens with the wise one? Is she taken gai'shain? Left to wander freely about the camp? I remember at Dumais Wells the wise ones fought each other. Next. Now, lets say that the group of shaido that took the wise one and maidens are wiped out before the year and a day is up. Do they become gai'shain to the people who wiped out the shaido? Do they decide they can't have toh to a dead person so are free of their obligation?

These are things that may come up in a campaign I'm running and would like your input.

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Posted: Oct 29 2004, 08:43 PM
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Kinda depends on the attackers.

If the Shaido attacking stick to the 'old ways,' they wouldn't attack the Wise One. She would be safe to sit and have tea while the fighting occured. If the maidens are made gaishain, the Wise One is free to do whatever she wants, be it: follow the gaishain to their new hold to talk to that hold's Wise Ones, go her own way, or whatever. (Although I think it would be extreme if she decided to attack without provocation, or fight to free the gaishain-maidens.)

If the Shaido attack the Wise One along with the maidens, then I think she would be validated in defending herself. I also think the maidens would double their attack at whomever attacked the Wise One. It is also possible that if the Wise One were attacked, the maidens and the Wise One would see the attackers as da'stang for betraying the old ways. So, if the attackers won, the maidens and Wise One wouldn't honor the gaishain sentance put upon them, since da'stang have no honor.

just my take...
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Sharn Penndroen
Posted: Oct 30 2004, 04:33 PM
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Those are my sentiments exactly, Freya. Of course if the Shaido are like the ones that end up wandering the wetlands, then all bets are off. They aren't supposed to take wetlanders as gaishain, and all that. They've pretty much thrown tradition to the wind and are basically taking slaves and stealing everything rather than taking a fifth.


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lordrodd
Posted: Oct 30 2004, 04:46 PM
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That is exactly the Shaido I'm talking about Sharn. I'm kinda thinking all bets are off too. But would the aiel who were captured go back to being regular aiel or would they still feel honor bound to remain gai'shain or would they feel some other toh towards thier rescuers?

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Posted: Oct 30 2004, 05:58 PM
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none of the aiel who have been taken for the year and a day by the shaido have felt they needed to renege.. so i'd say *they* would follow ji'e'toh even if their captor was screwing it up, however the day *after* the 'year and a day' ends they will get out of dodge, even if some stupid shaido says they are 'forever gaishain'... and its not beyond some individual aiel to see whats going on and throw tradition to the wind and say 'look...they arent even acting aiel. i do not have toh to these idiots' as well...but it would not be common for one to do so.
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