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Foxhead |
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Aug 19 2004, 11:13 PM
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![]() Learned Master ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 30 Member No.: 175 Joined: 15-July 04 ![]() |
Aleshandre, in this talks about Mat and his
memmories, I have found a strong argument that diminishes my theory
somewhat, but I decided to still cling upon it, because whatever logic you
follow, it is not my kind of logic (and bellive me, at times I could put a
white in shame), because Mat beeing HoH is ilogical for me. The argument is: Mat doesn't have a single bit of knowledge about Gholam, before Briggite tells him of it, and therefore, he couldn't have had a life during the war of powers, yet Ashandarei is powerwrought, which makes it nearly certain that it came from that same time period. -------------------- Freak, an' damn proud of
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Llewin |
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Aug 20 2004, 12:17 AM
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Learned Master ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 24 Member No.: 138 Joined: 25-April 04 ![]() |
I like this post. I just popped something up on the
WOT RPG boards about the same general topic... Not sure if that was the
right place for it now! ![]() Oh well. I suppose it'll be moved if it's not... A few things. I do agree that there is a mythos of rebirth in the Age of Illusion. However I have heard more than once somewhere swear something was true on their "hope of rebirth" which indicates not everyone is reborn. Secondly, the idea that the Pattern does not know the general course of the future enough to know when it's time to spin out the Hornblower and has to have him born over and over again 'just in case' is preposterous in my opinion. The pattern of RJ's world is an incredibly intricate and complex weave of life and must have set goals to bring about the beginning and end of each age. If the pattern knows when to weave the soul of the dragon in at the right time and when to weave the souls of the many other Heroes at just the time they are needed, then it must also know when to weave the soul of the Hornblower in to life...just as it did with Mat Cauthon... I absolutely agree that any Ta'veren must be a hero of the horn but i'm not sure i agree that all heroes of the horn are ta'veren. I also think that the Heroes are Bound to the Wheel, not the Horn, and that some of those souls, most obviously the Dragon's have been bound from the beginning of the turning of the Wheel (one thing to consider, the Creator made the wheel which turns and spins the pattern...therefore neither can be eternal. Anything with a beginning has an ending) The Horn is merely a catalyst to summon those souls tied to the wheel which are not currently living a life in the pattern out of TAR as needed. ~llewin |
Entropic_existence |
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Aug 20 2004, 12:26 AM
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Breaker-of-horses-and-men ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 190 Member No.: 22 Joined: 15-January 04 ![]() |
Ok, just a few little points that I will
mention. - Heroes of the Horn don't remember their past lives when they are spun out into the world. While residing in Tel'Aran'Rhiod they remember their past lives like you remember the plotline of a favourite book. Mat's memories (while some are from past lives of his others are not) were all given to him by the 'finn. The tiemframe of the memories that they gave were rather explicit, only lasting from the time of the Compatc of the Ten Nations to the War of the Hundred Years. He definitly lived other lives before that, yet has no memories from them because the 'finn did not give them to him. As well the Old Blood phenomenom tends to relate directly to the time after the breaking from the examples and comments we have seen. That he rememberes nothing of the Age of Legends is irrelevant. - The Three Oaths, including the injunction against making a weapons for men to kill with, were not taking until sometime during or just after the Trolloc Wars. Power wrought steel may have been made during this time, but would have been even rare since it is unlikely as many Aes Sedai had the Talent. Mat DOES know how to use the Ashandarei, and Birgitte calls it an Ashandarei. This suggests it was in use during the time period of his memories as well. - Remember it has been 3000 years since the breaking, and 2000 since the Trolloc Wars, 1000 since the War of the Hundred Years. Ashandarei could have been common during that timeperiod yet unknown today. It is said tons of knowledge was lost during the Trolloc Wars and the War of the Hundred years, look at the decline in the military arts in general. Your argument doesn't really go one way or the other in the debate as to whether Mat is a Hero of the Horn or not. -------------------- What is dead can never
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Entropic_existence |
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Aug 20 2004, 12:29 AM
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Breaker-of-horses-and-men ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 190 Member No.: 22 Joined: 15-January 04 ![]() |
Absolutly Llewin. The Heroes are bound to the
Pattern. They are simply called Heroes of the Horn because well, the Horn
is what calls them back (at least currently).
-------------------- What is dead can never
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