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Zarozynia
Posted: Aug 5 2004, 07:29 PM
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Two of my players have requested that I look into the mechanics of a grenade arrow head. Basically, my woodsman wants to make arrows with a stone arrow head and then my channeler wants to cast the weave grenade on them...hence explosions upon contact.

Now I assume this is possible, but I was wondering if anybody has tried it, and if it would work. With the grenade weave, would it detonate in human flesh? It seems like the give of human flesh might not set off the grenade weave, but I'm not certain. Help/the multitudes of oppinions of this board wink.gif would be appreciated.

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Posted: Aug 5 2004, 07:59 PM
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Mechanically, there is no problem with it. The only issue is whether there will be a "stockpile" of them in the quiver. The jostling during transport could be a problem for the person carrying them. The heads would be about the size of a sling stone, so 1d8 damage to target only. The transport issue can be resolved by padding the heads or in some way stableizingf them, so they don't strike together while moving. This still won't prevent them from blowing if the person carrying them falls on them...that could be messy.


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Posted: Aug 6 2004, 10:31 AM
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I think the arrows should always explode on impact doing the D8 that Aleshandre suggests and not D8 plus arrow damage. I wouldn't let them carry loads around in a quiver as they are too unstable.


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Posted: Aug 6 2004, 04:42 PM
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I allowed this in my game, but he has to grenade them on the spot, because I declared that it does not last long enough for him to carry a stockpile even if he wanted to. and it does the 1d8 from the grenade and not arrow damage.
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Posted: Aug 6 2004, 04:54 PM
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in 2nd edition there was a conduit spell that allowed for spelling arrows in the elven handbook maybe if you convert this spell into a weave?

as for a quiver why not use harden air it will prevent any bumbs etc..

or you could try a herbal or alchiemy based arrow head
2 half clay bulbs with a thin ceramic sheet spertating them, 1 filled with powder (magnesium or simular wot powder) and the other with oil making a big fire ball on breaking that would stick to the target(s)






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Posted: Aug 7 2004, 10:05 PM
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granade arrows? touch attack for d8 dmg? sounds ok, good range too smile.gif
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Posted: Aug 8 2004, 01:09 PM
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Definitely not a touch attack. This has to hit as with normal arrows.


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Posted: Aug 9 2004, 12:41 AM
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Okay, thanks all, you've been helpful. So an additional question:

What should the AC be for the floor below somebody's feet? Because the AC to hit a stationary object isn't very high, and the grenade has radius so it shouldn't be HARD to hit. Am I thinking about this the right way?


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Posted: Aug 9 2004, 04:57 AM
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Well, a sling stone sized grenade has no burst radius.

But to answer your questions. To hit an innanimate object you give it a starting Defense of 10, then modify for size, cover, and any thing else you think could effect it. The ground under someone's feet... well that depends on how close you are aiming under then. If it is the spot right beneath them, I would probably give a +2 to the Defense for size reasons and make it a Defense of 12.

Now, you have to ask yourself, why not just always throw a grenade at the ground and let the blast radius get them. First of all, you would have to use one big enough to have a blast radius. Plus they always get the Reflex save either way.

Other than that, no reason at all. It does make sense. Why bother throwing a bomb at someone that can dodge it and then the bomb keeps going, when you can just throw it at the ground at their feet. As long as it is a grenade instead of a firecracker, your going to ruin their day just as much.


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Posted: Aug 9 2004, 07:23 AM
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you forgot to include dexterity bonus(or penalty, in this case -5 for being inanimate) which brings your defense down to 7 from 12.

also check out the rules here: http://www.12tomidnight.com/d20modernsrd/SpecialAttacks.php

under thrown explosives, those probably fit rather well for a weave that makes a weapon called "grenade"
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Posted: Aug 19 2004, 06:59 PM
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Just because I think differently and I was thinking you were trying to hurt the floor lol... in case that is the thought... dont forget that the floor has toughness and HPs and if the grenade is big enough they could break a wooden floor or even possibly a thin stone floor say on the 2nd story of a building.

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Zarozynia
Posted: Aug 19 2004, 08:17 PM
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what I actually decided to do was this: I run off a vit/wound system, so my character gets a minus 2 to hit with his grenade arrows since they are not a normal arrow, and then, if he hits, the damage is 1d6 directly to wound point damage. That way it is better than a normal arrow without running into the issue of if its good enough to do 2d6 damage, which I agree that it should not be.


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