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MagusRogue |
Posted: Sep 10 2004, 11:08
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where in the books did channelers actually use the
Fly weave? I could have sworn one of the supergirls did....
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Entropic_existence |
Posted: Sep 10 2004, 11:36
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Nope, we haven't seen it in the books. It's been lost
since the Age of Legends and yet to be rediscovered.
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drothgery |
Posted: Sep 11 2004, 01:02
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There's no evidence that it actually existed; none of the Forsaken have unambiguously flown using the power at any time. -------------------- | ||
Targul |
Posted: Sep 11 2004, 07:33
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True it hasn't been done by anyone yet. However,
Siuan mentions it as a lost ability in one of her first training sessions
with Nynaeve on the boat trip from Shienar to the White Tower.
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Sharn Penndroen |
Posted: Sep 11 2004, 05:24
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Wasn't Rand flying when he fought Baalzamon at the
end of book 2? The supergirls have never flown, they aren't like Rand where he does something and doesn't know how to repeat it. (Lews Therin knows how, not him.) If one of them would have figured it out, then they would have taught the other Aes Sedai and we would have flying Aes Sedai everywhere. BTW, I have an Asha'aman character in one of my games that figured out the Fly weave. Definitely funner than a barrell of monkeys. On a side note, I did change the weave to make it less copy and paste from DnD. The text says the target is touched and then the target can control his/her actions. WTF, that is so un-WoT it's rediculous. A channeler could touch Johnny Armsman and tie off the weave and he's able to fly everywhere for a month. Give me a break. I changed it so that it is self only. If you want to make someone else "fly" use arms of air. ![]() -------------------- Not all that is gold, glitters. Not all who wonder
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drothgery |
Posted: Sep 11 2004, 05:58
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There was something odd going on there, but I don't think they were flying. Rand might not think about moving in three diminsions if they were simply fighting while flying, but Ishamael certainly would. -------------------- | ||
Zifnab |
Posted: Sep 11 2004, 06:08
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It might be one of those things where everyone
believes you can't, so you can't. -------------------- Playing: Jen Farthen Personal Log I use the word "totally" too much. I need to change it up and use a word that is different but has the same meaning. "Mitch, do you like submarine sandwhiches?" "All-encompassingly..." |
Entropic_existence |
Posted: Sep 12 2004, 01:22
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It's been references that is was possible in the Age
of Legends, just it was lost. As for the Rand/Ishy fight remember that
people said they fought as if they were bannered across the sky. Everyone
at Falme could see and see their faces, so they definitly weren't just
flying. It was more like the fight was being broadcast on the gigantic
titon-tron in the sky. ![]() -------------------- What is dead can never
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drothgery |
Posted: Sep 12 2004, 06:06
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As I noted above, the Forsaken don't ever fly. If it were possible, I'd think they would do it. It seems more likely that flying by means of the One Power is more plausible to Third Age Randlanders than flying in an airplane or helicopter (which definitely existed in the AoL). This post has been edited by drothgery on Sep 13 2004, 05:44 PM -------------------- | ||
Zarozynia |
Posted: Sep 12 2004, 06:17
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I have the feeling that flying would theoretically be
possible, were the weave known by levetation at least, just probably not
very effective when you have hoverwings and jo-cars and
jumpers. But the reference to the belief that people could fly in the AoL could as easily have been a bastardized version of the fact that they flew in said crafts. Stories do have a habit of changing over time. -------------------- Legends of Darkness Are Not Always Myths - An Ongoing
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Entropic_existence |
Posted: Sep 12 2004, 04:09
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The argument that if it were possible the forsaken
would do it doesn't always hold. We know that they can't do everything,
and generally if they only have a little skill with a Talent they never
use it. I'm willing to accept that the stories changed over time, but
given that it was also included in the RPG the stories were true IMHO. If
craft were flying/hovering through use of the One Power it was probably
through some sort of weave which theoretically, should have been able to
be applied to a person as well. Also remember Ishamael at the stone. He used a True Power version of a gateway (we assume) but came into the Heart of the Stone way up in the air and then descended down. Sounds similar to flying to me...he was at least floating. This post has been edited by Entropic_existence on Sep 12 2004, 04:10 PM -------------------- What is dead can never
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Llewin |
Posted: Sep 13 2004, 06:06
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ok as far as sho-wings... lets please remember that
not EVERYTHING in the age of legends was done with the one power. it was a
combination of the Power and Technology. |
Zarozynia |
Posted: Sep 13 2004, 07:00
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yes, but could be done more effectively with the one
power, was. and jo-wings would have be able to be flown more effectively
with the one power, and I definately get the impression that their energy
system was entirely one power based.
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Freya |
Posted: Sep 13 2004, 03:55
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Suian mentioned that a girl (Novice or Accepted, I forget) who thought she had rediscovered how to fly. She flung herself from the Tower and died. As far as using Fly or changing it, it is each individual GM's decision. It's never been used or proven to exist (in anything other an rumor or legend), so I wouldn't allow it in any game I would run. If I did decide to use it, it would be the centerpiece of a long-arching story, perfected only at the end, etc. | ||
Llewin |
Posted: Sep 13 2004, 06:13
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Freya, ...now THAT i agree with whole heartedly!
Build a campaign around it ![]() |
TwangCat |
Posted: Sep 14 2004, 12:49
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I'm intreguied by the idea but how would you build a
campaign around discovering lost weaves? |
Llewin |
Posted: Sep 14 2004, 01:41
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well one way i can think of would be to have a Tar
Valon-centric party or Aes Sedai/One Power-centric party searching for
ancient manuscripts from the age of legends etc...
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Eosin the Red |
Posted: Sep 14 2004, 01:11
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In the first book when Rand fights Anginor - he
(Anginor) walks over an empty space of air. I have always contended that
the Forsaken can air walk but not fly.
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Llewin |
Posted: Sep 14 2004, 06:15
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any aes sedai can make a bridge of air, even egwene
does this to walk to the seafolk ship in cairhien. But they can only
extend it for a certain distance before it grows too weak to hold them any
longer. |
Entropic_existence |
Posted: Sep 14 2004, 09:50
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Breaker-of-horses-and-men ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 226 Member No.: 22 Joined: 15-January 04 ![]() |
Men can too, we've seen the theory behind this from
Rand's POV, the info given to him by Asmodean. I think the women can make
it further but all men, and all women, can only make a bridge of air a
certain length no matter their strength before it will not hold anything.
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