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Niveus
Posted: Jul 8 2004, 02:36 AM
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has anyone seen or made any stats for the green man or other gurdian from the age of legends?


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Posted: Jul 8 2004, 09:31 AM
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I don't think they've ever been done in a way that everyone was satisfied with.


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Posted: Jul 9 2004, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (Niveus @ Jul 8 2004, 12:36 AM)
has anyone seen or made any stats for the green man or other gurdian from the age of legends?

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Posted: Jul 11 2004, 02:32 AM
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sort of along the same lines, I've been thinking about the Daishan Aiel. I dont have the book of bad art with me right now, but if my memory serves me, they work with the green men (and maybe ogiers too?) to help the plants to grow with their "songs", correct? Were they channelers? Or something else more druidy?

Basically thinking about how to portray them for my Age of Legends foray (which looms closer every day now...I cant wait!)


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Posted: Jul 11 2004, 04:02 AM
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Many Aiel had "The Voice" and the Da'shain Aiel as a whole were involved withy seedsinging along with the Ogier and Nym. It had nothing to do with Channeling and if anything was closely linked to the Ogier Talent of Treesinging.

Since the Breaking this has been lost to the Aiel, I think it is a general consensus that this is the Song the Tuathan are looking for given they split off from the Aiel before the Aiel went into the Three-fold.


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Posted: Jul 11 2004, 07:31 AM
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Aren't the Da'shain the Tuatha'an, or am I completely mistaken?


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Posted: Jul 11 2004, 07:38 AM
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Yeah, the Tinkers are the ancestors of the Daishan, the ones that stayed true to the way of the leaf, whereas the aiel are the ones that broke away. So, they had some sort of treesinging ability...hmmm...was it only an ability that somehow helped the ogier or could they treesing on their own? I need to look at that passage in the books, anybody have any idea which part its in?


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Posted: Jul 11 2004, 07:44 AM
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Descendants, you mean.
I dunno. It almost seems to me like the Da'shain were normal people who knew a very rad song, you know?


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Posted: Jul 11 2004, 04:08 PM
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The Tuathan are not true Daishan Aiel anymore than the Aiel of today. The Daishan Aiel were given a charge to watch over and protect a stash of ter'angreal. Included in that stash were the access ter'angreal to the Choldean Kol (I think I spelled that right). They wandered for years during the breaking with these wagons full of ter'angreal. At a certain point in that journey, a group decided they were fed up with carrying around the stupid ter'angreal and that they were going to leave in search of the Song. They dumped the ter'angreal out of the wagons and stole the wagons from the other Daishan Aiel.

Thus the Tuathan travel with wagons. The remaining Daishan Aiel continued their trek. At a certain point, a man defended himself with a spear that was used for hunting (so it isn't really a weapon). He killed a man and was rejected by his family. His mother said I do not want to see the face of a killer where my son's face once was. This is why the aiel veil their faces. Others joined this man in protecting the Daishan Aiel. Later a young woman wanted to join them as well. She found the long spear to large to wield effectively. The man training her cut the haft in half. Thus was born the Far Daes Mae and the Aiel shortspear. What was left of the Daishan Aiel arrived at Rhuidean and Aes Sedai built the city and stored the ter'angreal away. They saw the Aiel develop into clans that warred with each other. The Aes Sedai built a ter'angreal that would give them the memories of their ancestors, and this was used to select clan chiefs. They would all protect Rhuidean.

Okay that is from memory, but a more accurate account can be found in A Shadow Rising, when Rand gets the dragons on his arms.

I just wanted to make it clear that the Tuathan are not Daishan Aiel, they were some of the earliest decenters.


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Posted: Jul 11 2004, 08:36 PM
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hmn, yes decenters. but if I remember that passage correctly, the Aes Sedai of the time were giving the Aiel the Ter'angreal to keep safe mostly as a way to get the Aiel away from Danger's Path (with balefire and all flying every which way you know, well sometimes anyways smile.gif ). the Irony of that passage was that the Aiel were tasked with the ter'angreal so as to make them feel that they had a higher purpose than just staying alive, but their real task set upon them by the Aes'Sedai was to stay alive, they did not actually fail the Aes'Sedai like they think they did, perhaps by leaving the way of the leaf they did fail them, but not due to loosing a few thousand pesky ter'angreal. at least thats my POV, and by 2 Cp smile.gif
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Posted: Jul 12 2004, 02:34 AM
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QUOTE (Zarozynia @ Jul 11 2004, 12:38 AM)
Yeah, the Tinkers are the ancestors of the Daishan, the ones that stayed true to the way of the leaf, whereas the aiel are the ones that broke away. So, they had some sort of treesinging ability...hmmm...was it only an ability that somehow helped the ogier or could they treesing on their own? I need to look at that passage in the books, anybody have any idea which part its in?

I would use a bastardsized version of tree singing for the song but make it only acclerate growth not any of the funky stuff that ogier can do

there was one group of aiel that did not fail the charge given them and that was the Jenn Aiel they are the true decendants of the Daishan Aiel as they both followed the way of the leaf and guarded the terangreal now they themsleves havbe died as far as we know but they may have assimulated into the other societies.


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