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kaidum
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posted May 31, 2003 09:46 PM
i was
thinking that if a group were playing in the area after the
books end and the wheel keeps repeating certain ages that next
time the dark one is released and sealed again that it could
be done by women and the taint would only apply to saidar.any
comments would be helpful.
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Generality
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posted May 31, 2003 09:50 PM
I don't see
how it would make much difference. Maybe the Dragon would be
female.
More likely, it would be just the same as with
Saidin but the opposite.
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Moon-Hawk
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posted June 01, 2003 07:57 AM
I agree.
Since the pattern of each age is repeated, it will be very
similar. For example, the prophecies of the dragon should
probably still be true; but, Generality said, the dragon would
be a woman. I think the biggest difference would be, what
would the Aes Sedai be like if only the men survived to carry
on the tradition, instead of the women. Randland Aes Sedai
have a very different tradition than Age of Legends Aes Sedai,
and the Wheel of Time series is all about gender differences,
so what would it be like if men, instead of women, ran the
show for a couple thousand years? Would they be more
aggressive, acting more like a police force? Or would the
conflict with Artur Hawking still force them into using the
Oath Rods? Would they choose the same three oaths? What
would the female dragon reborn's "Asha'man" be like? Some
things, like the Seanchan, would be virtually no different.
Damane and Sul'dam would obviously both be men, but otherwise
no big difference. How would this affect the Aiel?
Currently, ability to channel affects their society relatively
little. True, any woman who can channel becomes a Wise One,
but many who can not still become wise ones, if they can
dream. And strength in the power does not influence rank among
Wise Ones. If the madness gender was reversed, would the Wise
Ones live on? Would men become the Wise Ones and women the
clan chiefs? I doubt it, I think dreamer women would still be
wise ones. Women who could channel would go out into the
blight to kill as many trollocks as possible before they go
mad and die. What would men who could channel do, though? They
would either be incorporated into the wise ones, making it a
two-gender society, or need to form their own society. A male
Aiel channeling society. That's a scary thought. There you
go, Kaidum, it wasn't many answers, but I hope it gave you
something to think about.
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kaidum
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posted June 01, 2003 09:04 AM
i would
like to thank you for your input and i will do my best to
incorporate as many ideas into my adventures as possible.thank
you again.
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but....you know....I'm not. -Monk My mind rebels at
stagnation...but i abhor the dull routine of existence.I crave
for mental exaltation. -Sherlock Holmes We may as well
live life to it's fullest....We're all going to die
anyway -Personal Quote
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Moon-Hawk
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posted June 01, 2003 05:09 PM
No problem.
It was an interesting question. Let us know what you choose
to do, and how it goes.
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Merclaar
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posted June 01, 2003 09:48 PM
One thing
about the Seanchan and damane and sul'dam. The adam's dont
work on men (not the same way as women). And a man cant
initiate a
circle...
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Lord Schpungus
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posted June 01, 2003 11:35 PM
but would
they have made the adam for females? Linking would be an
interesting problem, but if adam were made I'm sure they would
be made for males to control males. Having males have all the
political and magical power in the world would certainly turn
it into a more traditional fantasy setting, though...
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Moon-Hawk
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posted June 02, 2003 07:23 AM
An
excellent point. So men would be the damane, but they would
need to use sad bracelets (i.e. the two bracleted male a'dam)
and the Sul'dam would still need to be women. Remember, most
Sul'dam never learn to channel (although they do learn to
sense flows), so if they never learn to channel, they would
never be subject to the taint. The female sparkers would still
need to be hunted down, though. And occasionally a Sul'dam
could learn to channel somehow, perhaps from an encounter
while hunting down one of the female sparkers, and become
subject to the taint. Think of the poor man collared by two
women going insane from the taint!
Yikes.
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lostone
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posted June 04, 2003 07:20 PM
The reason
for the two braceleted male a'dam is because it takes two
women to control the man (although if the man was willing one
woman can link with him), and it has to be women controlling a
man, because the women have to initiate the link. I don't
think it would be possible to create an a'dam that allows a
male sul'dam to control a male damane, because two men cannot
link under any circumstances without 4 women (at least
according to the table in the RPG which seems pretty accurate
from what I remember in the novels).
I'm pretty sure it
mentioned in the novels that to use the male a'dam it required
2 women to control the collared man.
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Moon-Hawk
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posted June 05, 2003 05:57 AM
Right.
Exactly what I just said. One male damane and two female
Sul'dam, so that one of the sul'dam can control the link. I
agree that a male-male adam is
impossible.
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posted June 06, 2003 12:19 AM
In the
campaign I'm desinging, this is exactly what happened, the
female half is tainted, as opposed to the male half. The
campaign takes place in the cycle after the one described in
the book. The Dragon Reborn is completly nuts, owing to the
fact that she has both Lews and Rand in her head. The White
Tower dosn't exist, instead, the Black Tower governs
channeling, though its traditions have changed a great deal
since Rand founded it. Instead of relying on Subtlety, like
the White Tower, the male Aes Sedai act like "Big Brother"
(For those who know what I'm referencing) They generally stay
out of everyone's business, so long as they do what they're
"supposed" to be doing, as soon as anyone slips up, The Black
Tower moves in to fix things, and they arn't above torching a
village or two if that's what's needed. The Aiel society
dosn't have channelers at all, all channelers, both male and
female are sent into the blight to kill shadowspawn. Ogier
society is also divided. There are still Ogier as they appear
in the novels, but there is also another warrior society of
Ogier that serve as enforcers and shock troops for the Black
Tower. The Children of the Light are also not as pure as
they'd like everyone to believe, as they commonly recruit
female channelers, using their powers until they become to mad
to control.
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skyman
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posted June 06, 2003 11:05 PM
Wow, you've
got some cool ideas there. You should put that setting online
so others can play in
it.
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fools are willing to pay that price." -Lan
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Vazkor
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posted June 11, 2003 04:59 PM
I plan to
send soon the PC in a mirror world, via a Portal Stone, where
Saidar is tainted (it's the female leader of the pre-Breaking
AS who caused the Taint) : so the channelers will taste the
taint for a limited time
They'll need to convince a few guys that
they're not mad yet, and to convincce at least one of them to
follow them to their world. They'll need one, because
Darkfriends and Shadowspawn have located a derivative of the
stasis box in which is a male AS from before the Breaking,
completely mad, and insanely powerful, of course (that will
also be the death of a large part of the DF). And there's no
AS in the vicinity.
Now, some men in the Reverse World
will not be surprised : they've known the way between the two
worlds for a long time. I'll connect that with "Purple Ajah /
2nd Foundation" theories, I think. Might make things even more
interesting when they'll return to Tar Valon
HTH.
Vazkor
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FireAndIce
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posted June 12, 2003 02:43 AM
cool idea,
but what is the 'purple ajah' and 'second
foundation'?
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The Great Gray
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posted June 12, 2003 09:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by FireAndIce: cool
idea, but what is the 'purple ajah' and 'second
foundation'?
That would be Vazhkor showing off his being old school
(or at least reading up on some old school
theories).
I'd recommend using Google Groups and
searching some old, old articles on
rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan for the
terms.
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FireAndIce
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posted June 12, 2003 01:23 PM
goodness
isn't that clever! my game will now officially have a purple
ajah!!! thanks for the tip.
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The Great Gray
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posted June 12, 2003 02:00 PM
No problem.
I just remembered that both theories are actually in The
FAQ's section on Verin.
Enjoy! ![[Big Grin]](Wizards_Com Boards female taint_fichiers/biggrin.gif)
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Vazkor
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posted June 13, 2003 03:22 PM
Awww sorry
to not have answered in time, I should really come here more
often
What the Skwid said
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lostone
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posted June 13, 2003 04:13 PM
About the
female taint in another age...I don't believe that the Dragon
Reborn would be born female, or if he/she was she would still
channel saidin, since it seems that not even the Dark One was
able to change that Aran'gar channels saidin even though she
is female (it could be argued that the DO intentionally left
Aran'gar that way, but we don't know for sure)...plus, Rand
gets a lot of help from Lews Therin, channeling things he
couldn't have even imagined, and it's saved his life many
times, I don't think the Dragon Reborn would survive without
that help, and I doubt Lews Therin knows more than basic
theories on how women channel, the only thing he would know is
how to channel saidin and saidar together, which wouldn't
really help a female channeler learn.
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FireAndIce
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posted June 14, 2003 02:52 AM
I donno I
think you could reason it out. Things happen in cycles, and
with each cycle the 'dragon' gets more powerfull because he
has the help of those who have come before, but in order for
it to be a cyclical cycle at some point the dragon must go
back to having the knowlege of a little dragon hatchling so
perhaps Rand will be super powerfull and reweave the pattern
like it was in AOL it will be a slightly weaker part of the
pattern. Now the dragon must come again and again, but perhaps
in the next cycle the 'dragon soul' is born female, so all
those voices in her head either aren't there or are useless,
so she starts from sratch, cycles come and go and voila the
dragon is female, is powerfull and it's the new AOL so the
dragon rallies the people (probably in a slightly different
way) with the end effect that the dark ones backlash has made
the female source tainted.!!
clever solution or stupid
cover up. you be the judge!
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