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Steve Russell
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posted March 07, 2003 06:58 AM      Profile for Steve Russell   Email Steve Russell    Edit/Delete Post
I must be losing my mind

I thought i remember reading about using the weavesight skill to determine a person's ability to channel (yes i understand you need different rules for each half of the one power)

Is there a formula for determining str in one power (not using one power slot system)

If some one could point me in the right direction it would be most helpful

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posted March 07, 2003 08:08 AM      Profile for Freya      Edit/Delete Post
There was a method printed in the Prophecies of the Dragon book. Basically, it's like the following:

Power = Int mod + Wis mod + Cha mod + channeler level

Whether you agree or not, that's what WoTC has put forth. [Razz]

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posted March 07, 2003 09:50 AM      Profile for LuciusT      Edit/Delete Post
WotC essentially decided to ignore stength in the One Power as an unimportant peice of background color that did not seriously need to be addressed in the game.

(Pity the actual quote by Charles Ryan has long since been purged from the boards but I'm pretty sure that's roughly what he said. [Smile] )

PotD does contain a the afformentioned fudge to correct at least part of that little error.

(Still bitter? Who me?)

[Smile] [Smile]

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Steve Russell
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posted March 07, 2003 10:12 AM      Profile for Steve Russell   Email Steve Russell    Edit/Delete Post
I don't like to bad mouth Wotc products, they saved dnd, they made the D20 system, they Open licenced it. plus this is there message board.

So i won't bad mouth them. [Angel]

I will bad mouth
Aaron Acevedo, Evan Jamieson, Michelle Lyons, James Maliszewski, Charles Ryan, and Paul Sudlow the designers for PotD [Black Mana]

This is like the 100th time I have heard something bad about PotD. I am so glad I did NOT BUY IT. Its hard for a dedicated gamer who loves the WoT not to buy the product to support the game but when you screw it up. Grrrrrrrrrrrr....... [Mad]

What were you guys doing? [Confused] this does not even match up to the stats in the WoT Rpg (I do understand it is hard to put a character from a novel into game terms without breaking all the rules, at least the big three were Ta'vereen.) given for Egwene, Elayne and Avihenda all who are the same in potential. Its Dumb.

Plus this violates the KISS clause of game mechanics. Keep It Simple Stupid
this makes no sense for a wilder an int stat does not affect her channeling and wisdom does not affect a initiate.

I could see maybe Wis+ Cha bonus for wilders
and Int for initiates (maybe a gm ruling on inborn spark?) this would make sense but this violates kiss too.

In my game I was using the prime channeling stat with 23 being the top end (18 at 1st level +5 stat bonuses for potential 13 for the average Aes Sedi due to the fact they cannot travel) it worked out like this.

23
Lanfear/Cyndane[F], Sharina[A], Alivia [D]
Sharina had more potential than even Nynaeve. Cyndane is Lanfear. Alivia is somewhat stronger than Nynaeve.

22
Graendal[F], Mesaana[F], Talaan[S], Nynaeve[A], Semirhage[F]
Talaan was only slightly weaker than Nynaeve. Talaan wants to be a novice.

21
Moghedien[F], Someryn[W]
Graendal notes Someryn as "not neglible", and doesn't want to risk teaching her. Someryn beleives she is the strongest living Wise One.

20
Tamela[W], Viendre[W]
Elayne thinks they are weaker than Nynaeve, but stronger than her.

19
Aviendha[W], Egwene[A], Elayne[A], Metarra[S]
Metarra was nearly as strong as Elayne.

18
Cadsuane[A], Nicola[A]
Nicola could be a level weaker.

17
Meilyn[A†], Karene[A†], Therava[W]
Galina notes Therava as stronger than any living AS, but she likely believes Cadsuane is dead.

16-15
Elaida[A], Garenia/Zarya[K], Lelaine[A], Moiraine[A], Romanda[A], Siuan[A], Raiyn[S]
Alanna[A], Amys[W], Bera[A], Galina[A], Kiruna[A], Kwamesa [A], Leane [A], Myrelle [A], Reanne [K], Sheriam [A], Theodrin [A], Verin [A], Merana[A], Rafela[A], Faeldrin[A], Masuri[A], Kirstian[K]
Alviarin [A], Anaiya [A], Beonin [A], Carlinya [A], Movrin [A]
Alviarin might be level higher. the problem here could be Moiranie she channels balefire but I believe she used a terangreal to cast it at level 8

14
Faolain Orande[A], Melaine [W], Renaile[S]
Faolain and Melanie may be level higher. They are above average AS strength. These are without doubt strong enough to Travel; Renaile opened a Gateway in PoD.

13
Averaage AS
who is not strong enough to travel. Which is a level 4 weave.

Special note: this only dealt with potential strength for females (men are easy that is just level based and you have to be holding all the power you can to be able to determine the truth)

Does anyone else have a different way to do it?
Please Help before I start stalking designers.

[ March 07, 2003, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: Steve Russell ]

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posted March 08, 2003 08:58 PM      Profile for drothgery      Edit/Delete Post
FWIW, Steve's flavor text (and list of people at each level) is, for the most part, from my Power Strengths page.

And Moiraine used Balefire unaided. Jaine Caide (I may have spelled this wrong) is the Black sister with the Balefire rod.

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posted March 10, 2003 05:04 AM      Profile for Steve Russell   Email Steve Russell    Edit/Delete Post
oops thought I put a special thanks in there for your sight

deepest apologies

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posted March 10, 2003 01:42 PM      Profile for drothgery      Edit/Delete Post
obGrammarian...

You didn't cite my site, but that has nothing to do with my sight[1].

[1] Which is terrible; I've worn glasses since 2nd grade.

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posted March 10, 2003 08:27 PM      Profile for the last great mikey      Edit/Delete Post
Steve, your stat breakdown is nice. However, I think it would be safe to say that Wisdom would be the default stat. This is what is used to determine difficukty class modifiers to saving throws against said weaves. Intelligence is important for initiates more for the level of weaves they can cast. It does not influence the "strength" of the weaves themselves. For instance, a Harden Air weave is cast by 2 different initiates. One has Int 18 and Wis 14. She could use the fifth level version of the weave and make a bridge or hold a large creature...but the creature would only have to resist a DC of 16. The other caster has the reverse: Int 14 and Wis 18. She could not create the big bridge, but that trolloc would have to resist an 18 to avoid paralysis. In my unsolicited humble opinion, that is the strength refrred to. The saving throw modefiers! Of course, this causes problems with getting severed from the Power...

Perhaps it's best to just be arbitrary...let the GM make the statement of how strong they are based on his own judgement and trust that he or she is being fair and honest.

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Steve Russell
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posted March 10, 2003 09:58 PM      Profile for Steve Russell   Email Steve Russell    Edit/Delete Post
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Wisdom would be the default stat. This is what is used to determine difficukty class modifiers to saving throws against said weaves. Intelligence is important for initiates more for the level of weaves they can cast. It does not influence the "strength" of the weaves themselves

Um I don't know how to tell you this but Page 53 WoT Rpg "the Difficulty class for saving thrtows against initate weaves is 10+ weave' level+ the intiate's Intelligence modifier." wisdom applies to level and modifier for wisdom.

All of a wilder's strengh is based in wisdom (level and modifier though they do get bonus weaves for cha)

All of an initiate's strength is based in Int
(level and modifier)

So even if you base it on modifiers im still right. but you don't base things on the dc of the spell you base it on the following:

Vandene says to matt cauthon "we are not strong enough for some of the new things" this refers to her inablity to travel which would affect her level to cast not her saving throw modifier.

An again i an idiot as for Moraine I was refering to her angreal (not ter'angreal) that she carries." if you assume her stat is 16 then a +2 terangreal would let her channel an 8th level weave. (which fits what she says about only being able to burn back a few seconds.)

I could be wrong but im probably not.

[ March 10, 2003, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Steve Russell ]

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posted March 10, 2003 10:51 PM      Profile for Fahkrin   Email Fahkrin    Edit/Delete Post
I wouldn't think that strength in the power is a sole reflection of class level, or even only attribute modifier. "Strength" in the one power should reflect both Charisma, Intelligence, and Wisdom. Level is more a reflection of skill and ability...strength in the One Power is more akin to measuring up someone's potential. [teach]

Charisma reflects strength of will...and a good amount of channeling is able to resist the One Power's seductive or destructive abilities. Intelligence and Wisdom reflect the potential to wield the One Power.
[Dropjaw]
I always feel as though detecting a person's potential is a reflection of the One Power forming a connection between the two channelers (such as Taim's recruitment technique). The active channeler feels how powerful a person COULD become (regardless of channelling class).

And don't forget...this explains why high-level Aes Sedai are always very powerful. Besides the obvious placement of bonus attribute points (either Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma), the prestige class abilities of Composure will effectively increase Charisma.

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