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Daikatana
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posted January 27, 2003 06:31 AM      Profile for Daikatana      Edit/Delete Post
Was it just me or do anybody else feel that it didn´t happen anything in the book.

I actualy ha to force my self through the book and I think it is RJ´s most boring book.

And I love the other books.

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posted January 27, 2003 06:35 AM      Profile for Tam al'Moff   Email Tam al'Moff    Edit/Delete Post
When Egwene was at the chain it was pitch dark yet she was targeted by another sister. Could this other sister 'see' her glow or weave of one power in the dark? The other sister could certainly 'feel' the use of the OP but I wondered if the weaves could be learned if they were woven at night.

My impression is that it can't but if a player asked I would be hard pressed to justify it.

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posted January 27, 2003 06:50 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
To a person who can channel, the threads are glowing strands, while nobody else would be able to see them. Think nightvision goggles looking at an infrared light. Also in the books, when a woman is channeling, it is nearly always described as being seen as a glowing or the light of sadair surrounding the woman channeling; a light that can only be seen by another woman who can channel. [Wink]

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posted January 28, 2003 02:38 PM      Profile for Tannolor      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Was it just me or do anybody else feel that it didn´t happen anything in the book.

I actualy ha to force my self through the book and I think it is RJ´s most boring book.

And I love the other books.

LOL I feel the same way, I found it so boring. But what are you going to do?

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posted January 29, 2003 07:16 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
I found it quite commpelling, but then I saw it as setting the stage for some heavy action when 11 comes out. [Big Grin]

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posted January 29, 2003 08:48 AM      Profile for LuciusT      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by aleshandre:
I found it quite commpelling, but then I saw it as setting the stage for some heavy action when 11 comes out. [Big Grin]

It is not the job of an entire 680 page novel to set the stage! That could be... should be... done in the prologue and first few chapters. At most, he sould have needed one chapter to set the stage for each major character and another chapter to set up the minor characters and background events. Then we could have had some actual thing happen and maybe we would actually have finished the series before now.
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posted January 29, 2003 09:56 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
Well I guess we just look at things differently [Smile]

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posted January 29, 2003 02:10 PM      Profile for Lord Schpungus      Edit/Delete Post
And the 100 page prologue... Gaahh. I at least expected Faile to be rescued, maybe even Moirane. Maybe even Elayne could secure the Lion Throne and Egwene could unite the Tower again. But no. Nothing at all. Oh, wait. There was one thing that happened, and it was on the very last page. Egwene turns the iron chains into cuendillar and gets captured.

Here's a condensed version of Crossroads of Twilight:

Prologue:
Unimportant people are doing unimportant stuff.

Rest of the book:
People sense the cleansing of saidin. They say WTF? and are distracted.

Matt buys the DotNM a dress. The circus starts moving away from Ebou Dar...slowly. The dice roll in his head.

Darkhounds circle Perrin's camp. They find the city where Faile is being held. There are tons of Shaido. Someone suggests letting the Seanchan help kill the Shaido.

Three major houses join Elayne's cause. She complains about being pregnant.

Cadsuane complains about having to teach Rand to be strong and not hard. Rand wants an alliance with the Seanchan. He sends Logain and the Saldean guy to negotiate a truce.

Egwene and the Aes Sedai plot and chitter. They turn the chains across the Tar Valon harbor into cuendillar. Egwene gets captured.

There. That's the book. In less than a page. And I didn't leave anything important out.

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posted January 29, 2003 02:38 PM      Profile for Melriken   Email Melriken    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Lord Schpungus:
There. That's the book. In less than a page. And I didn't leave anything important out.

yeah you did!

Epilog:
Logain and the Saldean guy come back from the Seanchan, and say that they are willing to negotiate with Rand, and that the negotiations will be done my a new Seanchan noble, the Daughter of the Nine Moons (who is currently held by Mat)

Book three lets us know that part of the proficys of the Dragon are that he will 'Bind the nine moons to serve him'

hah, you lose (oh wait it is still less than a page)

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posted January 30, 2003 07:26 AM      Profile for Cthulhu      Edit/Delete Post
At least I didn't miss anything when I finally dismissed 2/3rd of the book as filler and jumped right to the important sections.

If Robert Jordan really wants to entertain me he had better come up with better stories than this crap. I'm paying him enough.

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posted January 30, 2003 11:14 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
Thank you for your input, now please start a different thread for additional complaints. [Big Grin]

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posted January 30, 2003 11:25 AM      Profile for Knightrain      Edit/Delete Post
Maybe it was just me... Did anyone else think that Egwene was planning on making Cuendillar armor for an assault on Tar Valon? Was a little disappointed with the chain thing... even though, in retrospect, it was a good idea.

And, RJ... why do you hate Perrin?! Cut the poor guy some slack, for Light's sake! Between Faile being missing and Berelain circling like a buzzard, as well as Masema, Shaido, Darkhounds, AND Seanchean looking to skewer him, did we REALLY have to add the whole "weevils 'n' ghosts" angle in So Harbor? Please, RJ, resolve one or two problems before you start adding more. I beg of you.

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posted January 30, 2003 11:56 AM      Profile for Heron_Marked_Blade      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Knightrain:
<snip ...> did we REALLY have to add the whole "weevils 'n' ghosts" angle in So Harbor? Please, RJ, resolve one or two problems before you start adding more. I beg of you.

I agree; I think the time has come for some resolutions to occur...but I'm not a highly successful author with people the world over hanging on my every (long-winded) word. [Wink]

I think the "weevils 'n' ghosts" angle is important. It represents the approach of Tarmon Gai'don. Ghosts and spirits roaming the land has always been a sign that a cataclysmic last battle is drawing nigh.

Just wait until the actual Last Battle -- I think all kinds of dead warriors (not just the Heroes of the Horn) will be re-fighting their last battle, but this time it's the real battle against the Dark One; the battles they fought and died in hundreds of years ago were metaphysical "shadows" of the battle against the Dark One, and now they're there for the real thing. This is a Ragnarok-type event, where everyone who has ever fought and died for the Light returns to face the Dark One and his minions. And over them all will be Rand facing a Shai'tan-empowered Moridin, sword of fire against staff of lightlessness. One Power against True Power.

:drinks deeply from a stoup of ale and burps loudly:

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posted January 30, 2003 12:08 PM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
I have to agree though, Perrin is really taking a beating. [Big Grin]

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posted January 30, 2003 01:52 PM      Profile for DrewTie   Email DrewTie    Edit/Delete Post
Well not to beat a dead horse, though the book felt as though it was trying to at times, but this is not one of my favorites in the series. I have to agree with the earlier statement that most of what happened could have been summarized in a few chapters rather then spending an entire book. Do we really need 6 or 8 chapters on Elayne talking about what she has been talking about for two books now?

Anyways, moving on...my thoughts on who betrayed Egwene...Halima. Halima was obviously the one killing the Aes Sedai and most likely Nichola. They were all working on the Cuendillar project and perhaps knew things that Halima was able to get from them before killing them. Also one thing that bugs me here...everyone keeps saying to Egwene that they do not trust or like Halima, yet Egwene doesnt listen. Are you telling me you would trust someone who can cure a headache that Aes Sedai can't? Madness.

Tuon...well the rumor of the girl in Ebou Dar was simply a rumor. Perhaps planted by someone to get someone else killed. From the conversation it sounded like neither believed it to be truth. I myself wondered if Tuon could be back in Ebou Dar so quickly. For some reason I feel that Suroth is trying to lie. Maybe not though.

Perrin abandoned his axe? What? Why? Okay Goldeneyes, have fun fighting Trollocs in the last battle with your fists.

Anyways, mediocre book. Sadly RJ seems to think he can't stretch out the series and fill each book with interesting happenings. He'd rather spend 200 plus pages telling us about how someone's dress looks in any shade of light.

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Perrin has a Smith's Hammer remember. He ditched the Axe because he used it so readily to cleave off the Algai'd'siswai's hand. He was scared that he might be loving it. So he buried the head in a tree.

Deep down Perrin sees himself using a Smith's Hammer, not an Axe. Remember when Faile was stuck in the Dream World, the Wolf Dream gave him a hammer when he needed a weapon to break the chains (an axe would've been just as effective).

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posted January 31, 2003 11:59 AM      Profile for Knightrain      Edit/Delete Post
Okay, I agree, I principle, that the "weevils 'n' ghost" were necessary to illustrate that Tarmon Gai'don (sp.) was on it's way... but isn't there ANYONE else that it could have happened to? C'mon, anyone with a "force of arms" that they needed to feed could have gone to So Harbor instead of Perrin. Heck, it would have been just as effective if Egwene (even though Egwene was quite a bit on her plate, as well) or Mat had been in that scene instead of Perrin

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posted February 03, 2003 12:07 PM      Profile for Selindra   Email Selindra    Edit/Delete Post
Okay, coming late to this discussion, but a few responses/thoughts:

1. Halima seems the likeliest to have revealed Egwene's plot, esp. since she was absent when Egwene left. However, I don't think she would have knowingly devlivered Egw. into her captor's hands. Egw. was too valuable a tool for Halima to give up -- she must be aggravated that she no longer has access to her.

2. It seems obvious that SOMETHING is up w/ Sheriam, and more specifically that something is being DONE to her. It seems likely this is Halima's doing as well.

3. As for Suroth's msg to Rand about truce-making, from the way it's written, it seems clear to me that these are events that are in the future...in other words, not at the same time as Egw.'s capture and Mat's killing of the sul'dam. So theorhetically, Tuon could be back at that time.

And finally, a question: Why was Egw. turning that chain into cuellindar? I don't see the purpose, or how that would benefit her forces. Esp. not enough to risk capture like that. Maybe I'm just missing something.

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posted February 03, 2003 12:52 PM      Profile for Freya      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Selindra:
Okay, coming late to this discussion, but a few responses/thoughts:

1. Halima seems the likeliest to have revealed Egwene's plot, esp. since she was absent when Egwene left. However, I don't think she would have knowingly devlivered Egw. into her captor's hands. Egw. was too valuable a tool for Halima to give up -- she must be aggravated that she no longer has access to her.

(emphasis mine)
Which, I think, is a good enough reason for it not to be Halima who did it.

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2. It seems obvious that SOMETHING is up w/ Sheriam, and more specifically that something is being DONE to her. It seems likely this is Halima's doing as well.

This seems more plausible to me. We've known for multiple books now that Sheriam is being tortured for information by -someone-. (I tend to doubt Halima is behind this as well) Sheriam is the Keeper, if only in name, and she has intimate details on at least some of Egwene's planning. Everyone in the Hall knew of Egwene's plan for the cuendillar chain, Sheriam would have also.

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3. As for Suroth's msg to Rand about truce-making, from the way it's written, it seems clear to me that these are events that are in the future...in other words, not at the same time as Egw.'s capture and Mat's killing of the sul'dam. So theorhetically, Tuon could be back at that time.

I'd have to read this section again, but I don't recall either way. But given that it's Suroth, it would be an excellent trap. The sad bracelets have been waiting for a couple of books now.
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And finally, a question: Why was Egw. turning that chain into cuellindar? I don't see the purpose, or how that would benefit her forces. Esp. not enough to risk capture like that. Maybe I'm just missing something.

The chain and all of its links fused together when she, and Leane presumably, turned the chain to cuendillar. In this way, the chain cannot be lowered to let ships enter and exit Tar Valon's ports. She has effectively blockadded the island without unnecessary bloodshed. Granted, she should have left other sisters, or novices, to do the weaving...by letting her guilt get to her, she openned herself up for capture.

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posted February 05, 2003 11:35 AM      Profile for Dave Shramek   Email Dave Shramek    Edit/Delete Post
Alright. Let me drop in my two coppers on this one. I just finished the book last night and I have to say my first repsonse was Anger. I thought we were past all the cliffhanger bullschtuff when we got to Winter's Heart. The cleansing of the Taint was actually a Climax. Granted, there was little time for denoument (which is what the first 2/3 of this book seemed to be, mixed in with further complications), but there was an ending, a rising action, a confrontation, and a conclusion. I loved Winter's Heart because I thought the books were picking up steam for the final push to the end, the Third Act if you will. However, this book just proved that we will have a long way to wait. RJ can obviously speed things up, as the last 4 or 5 pages clearly showed, he chooses not to because he must imagine some relevance to the clothing choices of everyone.

One more thing, then I swear I will not rant and get to discussion. That is this, in an interview, RJ said he tries to write a 1500 page book and has to cut it down. Only, he appears to have just cut off the last half of the book. At this rate, we'll finish with the wheel at book 14 or 16, not 12 as we hope.

Okay I'm done ranting. Now to business.

There are too many possibilities for Darkfriends to specifically say who betrayed Egwene. There are even hints that nearly the entire Hall in both towers could be infested with Black as I'm still not sure what the deal is with who chose who to be in the hall. Halima may have had something to do with it, by killing off the cuendillar producers, or she/he may have simply feared the ability to reseal the Dark One's prison. A friend of mine has a theory that when a male channeler makes cuendillar it turns out black, rather than white, and when they combine, you get neat little black and white disks.

I think the ghosts thing is important, but not quite connected to the weevils bit. I think the weevils is yet another of the Dark One's touch, like the long winter and the uber-long summer. The ghosts, however, seem to have a nexus point, somewhere in Murandy or Altara. This might even be a result of Shadar Logoth being "destroyed" and mashadar being scattered over the world. So Harbor certainly seems to be running the risk of becoming another Shadar Logoth. Perhaps Fain has plans in Murandy after leaving Far Madding?

Nicely, everyone seems to be laying plans to unify with the Return, what with the Rand trap, Perrin, Mat (obviously [Evil Smirk] ) and Egwene's dream.

So we know that won't happen for a while, because it would require too many people to compare notes and that's not something they do. I'd hope that Perrin has enough information to out Suroth as a Darkfriend, but that won't get to Rand in time anyway. I don't think the Rand thing was that far in the future.

As far as my favorite character, Mat, I see the ceremony as not complete yet. The dance goes on for a while and she won't complete the ceremony until it becomes a plot issue. Something like him being captured by Seanchan, perhaps by her rogue Deathwatch Guardsman, and she has to order him to let her "husband" go, saying it three times in the course of the conversation.

Predictions for next book: Weevils will infest the grain Elayne has, forcing her hand on the siege. The Stone of Tear will then become a bigger issue and someone will begin to deal with that, though probably not one of the original Two Rivers people, maybe Elayne and some of the Wise Ones and/or Sea Folk. The current keeper in the Tower (I forget her name) will take over as Egwene's keeper when Sheriam is relieved of her duties. That last one may not be in the next book, but we may see the seeds of it. Gawyn will have to recue Egwene (and he's undoubtedly the leader of the raiders from the other shore). He will team up with Gareth Bryne. Again, this last bit is wishful thinking, but I think it combines with the dreams where he either rescues her or kills her.

All this is far out conjecture and I don't pretend to be as knowledgable about the books having only read each of them once. I'd appreciate a senior WotManiac or someone coming out and dropping some serious science.

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posted February 05, 2003 12:32 PM      Profile for Knightrain      Edit/Delete Post
Here's what will happen in the next book:

The Seanchean girl will blast Rand and a voice will say, "I win again, Lews Therin!" At which point...

BLINK!!!

Rand comes to next to the Portal Stone in Falme. Verin starts to give him crap about it taking months to get there. Rand yells, "That's IT!!" then gates to Tear, casually BFs Be'lal, and grabs Callendor. He gates back to Falme and dices the High Lord guy (I can't remember his name) and grabs the Horn. He hands it to Mat. Mat blows the Horn and battle ensues. Balzamon/Ishy appears and Rand casually BFs him. He then does the lightning thing he did in Tear in tSR and again in Caymlen(sp.) in tFoH and fries every Seanchean in Falme. He then gates Mat, Egwene, Nynaeve, Min and all the rest back to the White Tower. Lanfear and Messana try to take him together and he casually BFs them both. HE gates to Tear and takes command. He gates to Cairhain and takes command. He gates to Illian, casually BFs Sammael, and takes command. He gates to Rhuidien and gets marked as He Who Comes With the Dawn. He then uses his chain lightning trick to fry all the Shaido. Finally, he gates to the Blight and fries all the Shadowspawn with the chain lightning. The surviving Forsaken show up to try to stop him and he zaps them out of the Pattern.

Quick book. Lotsa action.

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Gotta love those Portal Stones! Learned a lot! [Wink]

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One more thing. The "mint" flavored honey really bothered me in the final chapter of CoT. We are told specifically about the minty taste to forkroot tea, and the tea became kind of an issue. What if the tea itself was forkrooted as an attempt to preempt Egwene's plans? I don't remember if she drank from it or not or if she honeyed her tea if she did. We know that one of the key sitters (I can't remember who) brought the tea to her lips but did not sip it.

I think it highly likely that the Sitters were split on trying to deal with the plan, even stop it. And I don't think that it's definite that the sisters on the wall were darkfriends, now that I think about it. Something struck the boat and Egwene, but it could have been a rock and the sisters embraced saidar to lift her out of the water afterwords and possibly to form a shield.

Just throwing it out there. My only point is about the emphasis on the "mint" flavored honey.

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posted February 07, 2003 10:34 AM      Profile for Selindra   Email Selindra    Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Freya:
quote:
Originally posted by Selindra:
Okay, coming late to this discussion, but a few responses/thoughts:

1. Halima seems the likeliest to have revealed Egwene's plot, esp. since she was absent when Egwene left. However, I don't think she would have knowingly devlivered Egw. into her captor's hands. Egw. was too valuable a tool for Halima to give up -- she must be aggravated that she no longer has access to her.

(emphasis mine)
Which, I think, is a good enough reason for it not to be Halima who did it.

But remember, nobody knew Egwene was the one who was going to do it except SS, and even she didn't know until the last minute. Halima has been killing off all the cuellindar-makers, which strongly suggests she doesn't want this plan to go forward. Since H hasn't interfered in any serious way w/ any of Egwene's other plans, I don't think she'd go to all this trouble if she were just trying to aggravate Egw. Thus, she must very specifically not want that chain cuellindarized.

So it still seems likely to me it was Halima who betrayed the plan, but not knowingly betrayed Egw. Halima had no way of knowing Egw. was going to be there; the plan was for it to be Bode.

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posted March 12, 2003 04:42 PM      Profile for jwanderer5   Email jwanderer5    Edit/Delete Post
Just a note about Perrin and his axe and hammer. Does anyone else remember Verin mummering something during the battle at the Two Rivers, about how Perrin has not yet changed to his hammer? I was just wondering if that might be a part of the Propheices, because how else would she know about the whole axe and hammer thing. Only other person who had ever talked about it with Perrin was Eylas.
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