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CDH
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posted April 18, 2003 10:01 AM
What do you
think? I don't know if this has been addressed, but does
anyone plan on working this into their campaigns? I'm only
around book 3, so I have time, but I was wondering what
everyone thought. We already have a problem at level 4 with
the one male channeler being more powerful than the Noble,
Arms(wo)man, Aiel, Wolfbrother and Wanderer. He's also more
powerful than our two female channelers, but that's not as
noticeable. I wonder if Madness might be necessary at higher
levels, but I would like to stay true to continuity when
possible.
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Whitewinds
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posted April 18, 2003 11:58 AM
Men will no
longer continue to gain madness after the Cleansing; that's
the only needed change in game mechanics. And over the course
of time the reputation of male channelers will likely improve,
especially since the Asha'man don't have the whole "we're
totally above and apart from you scummy humans" attitude that
the Aes Sedai actively cultivate.
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Freya
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posted April 18, 2003 12:03 PM
*shrugs*
Our characters just passed Saidin being cleansed
timeline-wise. We do not have any male channelers in the
group, but we do have two female channelers. We basically
played it that they felt the huge amount of Saidar
being channeled, and while being outwardly composed (high
compose checks), they were majorly freaking out inside. My
character's Warder became very, very alert when my character
first felt the beacon. Of course, she became even more afraid
when it suddenly stopped.
Our channelers come from a
Tradition that includes men and women so they were informed
that after the beacon ended, the male channelers realized that
Saidin was clean. Our characters in-turn told Elayne Sedai who
seemed very relieved, and happy(?), to hear it. (and so did
her Aiel companion for some reason )
-------------------- felicia AKA
Freya Culadin
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Freya
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posted April 18, 2003 12:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Whitewinds: Men will
no longer continue to gain madness after the Cleansing;
that's the only needed change in game mechanics.
Agreed. And, I definately think the
madness they have already accumulated should not be removed or
lost.
quote:
And
over the course of time the reputation of male channelers
will likely improve, especially since the Asha'man don't
have the whole "we're totally above and apart from you
scummy humans" attitude that the Aes Sedai actively
cultivate.
Depends on which Asha'man you're talking about.
The ones around Rand seem to be well-adjusted, so to speak,
but the ones around Taim are, or are becoming, exactly as you
described above.
*sigh* The Asha'man superiority
attitude is thick around here on occasion. The Asha'man do not
have the level of 'we are naturally better than you' attitudes
that the Aes Sedai have simply because the Asha'man have not
been around, and on the top of the heap, as long as the Aes
Sedai have. Unless ideas of humility, or something, is worked
into the training, it is only natural that people who deal
with that magnitude of power will eventually assume that they
are better than other people. Men are not above this, neither
are the Asha'man nor the Aes Sedai. ![[NoNoNo]](Wizards_Com Boards Saidin Cleansed Plans_fichiers/nonono.gif)
-------------------- felicia AKA Freya
Culadin
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Steve Russell
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posted April 18, 2003 04:25 PM
no offense
but who is going to believe you when you tell them "oh don't
worry i will be fine from no on saidin is clean, no really I
won't get any more isane than I already am" Even cadsaune was
not sure if it was clean and she was there.
Look at CoT
the Asha'man with Perrin don't even bother trying to convince
every one. The justified prejudices against male channelers
will not go away just because you cleanse the
Taint.
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Whitewinds
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posted April 18, 2003 04:30 PM
I did say
"over the course of time." I was thinking anywhere from months
at the least, to years or even decades.
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Sophiathegreen
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posted April 19, 2003 04:19 AM
Also when
the people still living when Saidin was taint die out also.
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Fernandes
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posted April 19, 2003 09:54 AM
Well, the
proof will come eventually when fun-loving well-adjusted male
channelers start living to ripe old ages (although the
impending last battle might put a damper on those plans). In
the mean time, there are magical ways to test the truth of it.
For instance in a game i am GMing, a male wilder, and an Aes
Sedai are both part of the party. When Saidin was cleansed,
the man proved it by having the woman use compulsion to force
him to answer the questions "is Saidin cleansed of the dark
one's taint", and "to your knowledge, will you suffer any
further negative side effects from channeling Saidin?"
truthfully and with only yes or no answers. When he passed the
test, she was convinced.
Also, there are now some
bonded pairs of channelers apearing in the novels; a woman
bonded to a channeling male wouldn't have to look very far for
the proof.
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Generality
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posted April 19, 2003 10:07 AM
Unfortunately, most people don't know
compulsion.
-------------------- If the Dark One's
name is forbidden, how does anyone know what it is?
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Fernandes
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posted April 19, 2003 10:25 AM
Well, i'm
not sure if you could qualify that as unfortunate in teh
greater scheme of things, but your point is taken. Fortunatly,
however, it takes only one person who does know it, and one
amle cahnneler, to convince a large number of people. The same
testimony that convinced that lone Aes sedai would be no less
ironclad if given in front of 2 or 3 hundred of her closest
friends.
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dcthenomad
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posted April 19, 2003 12:10 PM
My campaign
isn't up to that point in the timeline yet, but I'm looking
forward to it in a big way. Doesn't it always come down to the
GM balancing the game, so that things are challenging/fun for
all with nobody feeling like a sidekick?
"Right now"
there are prejudices against male channelers to role play
(enough that I seem to be gaining an awful lot of woodsman
levels...) and in the "future" you can balance things out with
more powerful darkfriends/dreadlords. Throw in some of that
tea we all know and love and you'll have a good slice of
humble pie waiting for the wilder who gets too big for his
britches! Just my opinion,
though.
-------------------- "It's not the size of
your lightsaber that matters, Obi-wan, but the power of the
Force..."
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Moon-Hawk
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posted April 19, 2003 01:20 PM
It's not
going to be all that easy to convince people that Saidin is
cleansed. A compelled Asha'man could be mistaken, or have
already succumed to madness, for all the compeller knows. Even
linking is not enough:
Crossroads of Twilight Chapter
22: Ornaments: "Merise was quiet, and still, for a long
moment, and then she sighed. "I do not know, Cadsuane. Saidar
is a calm ocean that will take you wherever you want so long
as you know the currents and let them carry you. Saidin.... An
avalanche of burning stone. Collapsing mountains of ice. It
feels cleaner than when I first linked with Jahar, but
anything could hide in that chaos. Anything."
So even
an Aes Sedai who has linked with a man while Saidin was still
tainted and again afterward is STILL not convinced. And it
would be even more difficult to convince an Aes Sedai who had
not felt Saidin while it was still tainted to have some basis
for comparison. Now try convincing average people, most of
which don't even trust Aes Sedai. It will be decades before
people stop screaming and running from a man who can channel,
and likely hundreds of years for the stigma to be
erased.
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world uses. Uh-oh.
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skyman
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posted April 19, 2003 09:22 PM
Good
points, but within a party it is certainly possible to
convince another. The female channeler could know the male
channeler is not yet insane by his actions, or could simply be
easier to convince than Merise
was.
-------------------- "Death comes sooner or
later to everyone unless they serve the Dark One, and only
fools are willing to pay that price." -Lan
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Fisher-King
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posted June 01, 2003 12:34 AM
When Saidin
was cleansed in my campaign, I 'locked' Madness. Characters no
longer gained Madness but, at the same time, they also
couldn't take Mental Stability to reduce their Madness
scores.
I pulled this as a surprise, since, as the
campaign approached Winter's Heart, one of my players was
caught planning to wait until after Saidin was cleansed and
see how much madness he had (by watching when I had him roll
saving throws) and get rid of it with Mental
Stability.
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