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Bard
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posted December 03, 2002 03:23 PM      Profile for Bard      Edit/Delete Post
Greetings all;

I am new on this board.
I have a doubt about the rules on ter'angreal (and angreal), I have searched on the rulebook and on the faqs and found nothing (maybe I rolled 1 on the search check !).
How do you detect one and how to identify its powers ?
I suppose you can use Weavesight to detect if an item is an ter'angreal (or angreal). But can you also use it to discover how to use one ?
In the books it seens to be really difficult and some times dangerous to identify one.

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posted December 03, 2002 04:03 PM      Profile for Shadowkiller      Edit/Delete Post
Its all based upon GM rules. Some possibilities are Knowledge (Arcana), Weavesight, and straight up random testing. Failing at any of these can give negative consequences. But again, its up to the GM.

For those GMs out there who have done it, what method did you use?

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posted December 03, 2002 04:18 PM      Profile for Xythlord   Email Xythlord    Edit/Delete Post
These are the rules that I pretty much have for my game for sensing items that use the One Power.

When holding the One Power, you are able to feel a resonance within the item with a successful Search check DC 15. You can detect an item that uses the One Power that you do not touch on a successful Search check against a DC 25, as long as it is within 30 ft. You may successfully sense one item per day, each use after the first suffers a cumulative +2 to the difficulty check, as overuse blurs your sensitivity. A channeler may only sense a Ter’angreal or an angreal / Sa’angreal that he or she may use. Use of this ability is a standard action.

As for figuring out what they do, the channelers have three options.

1) they can experiment, by trying to do stuff and just channeling weaves into the item, but their may be negative consequences as Shadowkiller pointed out.

2) using the Gleeman's lore ability or a sufficiently high knowledge skill check (Ter'angreal, or maybe Aes Sedai) to see if they could find anything written down about that particular peice.

3) if they have the Latent Maker feat, then they may try a KS: Arcana skill check to figure out what it might be for, but for others...they just don't have the knack to read the making of the item.

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posted December 03, 2002 05:26 PM      Profile for Harkael   Email Harkael    Edit/Delete Post
If you want to stick closely with the setting then im afraid you'll have very little luck figuring out what a ter'angreal does much less finding and identifying it for what it is. All the ter'angreal that are used in the books had already been known to be ter'angreal. However since the stone of tear had been packed with angreal and ter'angreal that were to be hidden away (i think) from the world, it means that you dont necessarily need to be able to channel to identify them. The only feasable way to do so without getting too "dnd-ish" Is to use the above suggestion to use knowledge checks (ter'angreal, white tower history) something like that. But some shouldnt be too difficult to figure out ex: walk through an archway, bowl covered in clouds and whatnot changes weather)
Angreal and Sa'angreal should be much simpler, if a channeling character thinks some random trinket is one, then they could just try embracing the source while holding it, Im pretty sure they would be able to tell.
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Dayana Sedai
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posted December 03, 2002 10:14 PM      Profile for Dayana Sedai      Edit/Delete Post
An obvious fact of ter'angreal is they are nearly indestructable (most of them atleast). They are often made of un-identifiable substances. To identify what one DOES however takes skill. Egwene (from the books . . . one time in band camp) seems to have a talent in identifying (and re-creating) these objects. I would suggest that this is a lost feat: latent Ter'angreal Former or something and then a major feat: Ter'angreal former. The latent probably would give you a talent in recognizing ter'angreal though. Just a thought. I know the netbook or some online sources offer different solutions to this, but I think they were too DnD for me.

You could also distinguish between ter'angreal that used power (weave slots) vs. those that just functioned: the ones that used power would be easier to identify (only for channelers mind you though) because they would "call" for what activated them. The others probably would be un-identfiable unless you saw them working and you could do the same thing yourself without a ter'angreal like Egwene's dream ring: she could identify and replicate it because she had the dreaming ability. It would also explain how Corianne Sedai (the last dreamer in the tower before Egwene) knew which ter'angreal to study.

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posted December 04, 2002 04:18 AM      Profile for Moridin00      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah, the last woman who put a lot of effort into identifying ter'angreal was the only one in hundreds of years to do so.

She also stilled herself, despite her years of experience, in the end.

It is difficult and dangerous to ID ter'angreals.

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posted December 04, 2002 06:19 AM      Profile for Blackdraman   Email Blackdraman    Edit/Delete Post
Sorry Dayana Sedai, no offence ment. But I have to make a correction.

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Egwene (from the books . . . one time in band camp) seems to have a talent in identifying (and re-creating) these objects.
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...Egwene's dream ring: she could identify and replicate it because she had the dreaming ability...
Egwene is not the one that made ter'angreals, Elayne is.

Elayne used the Dream Ring as a base to copy from.

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posted December 04, 2002 08:35 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
How do you identify Ter'angreal?
very carefully! [Big Grin]

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posted December 04, 2002 01:42 PM      Profile for Bard      Edit/Delete Post
Thank you all for the help.
I think I will use Xythlord ideas.

1) To sense if an item is ter'angreal or angreal the channeler must sense the resonance of the One Power in the item on an Search check.
Maybe it can be used the sense channeler ability too. Male channelers must be casting a weave to sense (as Taim did), while female need only to be embrancing the source.
2) To discover how to use an ter'angreal an Known. Arcana check or similar lore to have heard or read something of the item. And experiment on the item (it will be funny [Devilish] ). Elayne ability seens to require a feat (I will check the Maker's)

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