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posted August 19, 2002 09:31 PM      Profile for KSB snow owl   Email KSB snow owl    Edit/Delete Post
When weave slots are improved through Linking, can they be further improved by the use of angreal and sa'angreal? I assume that they can. The question that I really would like answered is, if two or more members of a linked group had angreal, do all the effective levels of the linking and all the angreal stack? How does overchanneling within a link work? Is it simply one overchannel attempt made by the channeler leading the Linked group?

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posted August 20, 2002 09:20 AM      Profile for Vazkor Javhovor      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, linking and *angreals stack. We've seen at least one ocurrence of a circle where one of the channeler has a big sa'angreal. I'd suggest to use only the most powerful *angreal for the purpose of stacking, though (that is, if there are several *angreals in the link).

Now, the (non-leading) channelers in the link cannot draw more of the One Power that they are able to. So they can't overchannel. I'm unsure as how it applies to the leader.

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posted August 20, 2002 09:24 AM      Profile for reischl      Edit/Delete Post
I'll try to explain through example. If you want to cast a 9th level weave, initially you must use a 9th level weave slot. If you join a circle of 13 (+2 weave slots), that weave is now only a 7th level weave slot for you (although I'm not sure if its a 7th level for the entire group or only for the group leader). If two people in that circle were to gain +2 angreals each (total +6 weave slots [+2 linking, +4 angreal]), then that 9th level weave is now only a 3rd level weave.

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posted August 20, 2002 09:28 AM      Profile for Vazkor Javhovor      Edit/Delete Post
I don't think that two angreals would stack. In fact, I think that only the most powerful of the two counts, so in your example, a fifth level slot would still be needed.
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posted August 20, 2002 01:14 PM      Profile for KSB snow owl   Email KSB snow owl    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Vazkor Javhovor:
I don't think that two angreals would stack. In fact, I think that only the most powerful of the two counts

However, when Nyn et al used the Bowl of the Winds to change the weather, there were multiple angreal used within the link. Therein lies the basis of my question.

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posted August 20, 2002 01:19 PM      Profile for Arr MiHardies   Email Arr MiHardies    Edit/Delete Post
personally i dont really like any of the linking rules as they are. they simply do not take into account the power and capabilities of all in the link. the linking rules in UtDB was a step in the right direction, but not quite complete. Though im not sure how to do it so it isnt completely overpowering.

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posted August 20, 2002 02:03 PM      Profile for DaHoffermn   Email DaHoffermn    Edit/Delete Post
I'd have to assume you are correct. . .but. . .with that many people, I would just say "yes, you succeeded. . .but roll a d20 and pray you don't roll a one."

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posted August 20, 2002 02:16 PM      Profile for Grayswandir_Blade   Email Grayswandir_Blade    Edit/Delete Post
This has been discussed to death on the OP board, if memory serves. [Smile] Click for the thread. There, they came up with a linking system that IMO is better than the one in the Netbook, because it was balance tested by about everyone in the thread and they got all the kinks worked out. Take a look; hey, MAB, you think (if you go for another netbook) you could ask Compton if you can include it? It's a great system, and works...

See page two for the revised rules; that's more or less the final version.

The only problem with it is that a circle of 13 4th level AS (the lowest AS level) still can't overwhelmingly Shield a strong male channeler, as per the novels. Of course, I think this is addressed in both another thread and also in the netbook; I'm lazy, though, and don't want to do the math. [NoNoNo]

[ August 20, 2002, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: Grayswandir_Blade ]

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posted August 20, 2002 03:07 PM      Profile for drothgery      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Grayswandir_Blade:
The only problem with it is that a circle of 13 4th level AS (the lowest AS level) still can't overwhelmingly Shield a strong male channeler, as per the novels.

I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have the Aes Sedai PrC at less than 6th character level. You'd need at least 5 levels of initiate or wilder to meet the prereqs unless you had a fair number of levels in other classes -- and using feats and skill points gained by taking levels in non-channeling classes on channeling feats/skills is not something many people are going to do.

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posted August 21, 2002 06:22 AM      Profile for Vazkor Javhovor      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Grayswandir_Blade:
The only problem with it is that a circle of 13 4th level AS (the lowest AS level) still can't overwhelmingly Shield a strong male channeler, as per the novels. Of course, I think this is addressed in both another thread and also in the netbook; I'm lazy, though, and don't want to do the math.

As a participant to this threads, I recall that Compton's system actually passes this test well.
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posted August 21, 2002 09:20 AM      Profile for Grayswandir_Blade   Email Grayswandir_Blade    Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Vazkor Javhovor:
As a participant to this threads, I recall that Compton's system actually passes this test well.

Oh? Well, my bad. [Razz] I just thought I saw someone say it doesn't, that's all.

In that case, the system's great! [Big Grin]

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Originally posted by drothgery:
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have the Aes Sedai PrC at less than 6th character level. You'd need at least 5 levels of initiate or wilder to meet the prereqs unless you had a fair number of levels in other classes -- and using feats and skill points gained by taking levels in non-channeling classes on channeling feats/skills is not something many people are going to do.

Gaaaah, ok, ok. Like I said, I didn't want to do the math. [Razz] I pulled that number from memory, I'm not perfect...

[ August 21, 2002, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Grayswandir_Blade ]

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