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Eosin_the_Red
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posted March 27, 2003 10:39 PM
Hey
guys,
I thought I would nip this little bug in the rear
end. At one point Xythlord, Philosoper Jac, Jason of
Dragonmount and myself did talk about approaching both RJ and
WoTC seeking to become an “official site.” That would clear up
a great many issues that any rpg fan site that does not fall
under the umbrella of the d20 license faces – a cease and
desist order in the ole in-box. Ultimately, (in November) I
choose not to pursue that course of actions for many, many
reason – not the least of which is burn out. Additionally, my
feeble grasp of probability indicated that I was more likely
to cause a problem than to solve it. WOT, unlike all of the
other official fan sites is a licensed product. I checked out
the other licensed WOTC products and none of them had the nod.
Sometimes it is best to leave well enough alone.
I do
appreciate the e-mails I receive and I do have an update
planned for sometime in the near future but mostly I avoid the
site to give myself some UN-burnout time. Also, I made a
deliberate effort not to post here, hard after more than a
year or so of hanging out But I still surf by everyday or two.
CotH
will remain hanging out on the net for as long as it can. I
thought that the other day I saw a reference to lack of
traffic being sited as part of my withdrawal? Before posting,
I checked with my server and the site is still as busy as it
was 8 months ago. I hope that it will remain so for some
time.
Another person has asked on the boards about the
Shadow Made Flesh – the Trolloc Wars setting. I have great
hopes that one day I and Xyth will hammer the rest of that
section out, but what is stopping those of you who have wrote
to me about how much you love that section from helping it
grow? I am cool with seeing someone else pick up that ball and
running – you can even use the stuff available (Xyth, you ok
with that?).
Last part, I still toy with the idea of
doing the Trolloc Wars as an online birthright style PbeM
where the players would assume the role of
regents/kings/merchant princes/Ajah Heads. The major
malfunction here is wrapping my head around the scope of the
game.
PS – anybody who thinks we took heat over the
Netbook should read some of the posts at the Official
Birthright site – Holy jeepers, I think the forums are still
smoking.
Sorry for lumping this all
together.
Later,
Eosin
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Norman, OK, USA | Registered: Jun 2001
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twistedbutsane
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posted March 28, 2003 03:25 AM
I
understand that the Aes Sedai that the Ashaman were bonded to
were sworn to Rand and had saved his life but I still think it
would be a big leap from appreciating their aiding of Rand to
becoming connected to Aes Sedai and the Tower for the rest of
their lives. I also couldn't see an Aes Sedai wanting
potential madmen linked to them for life unless they could
control them somehow.
Liandrin successfully used
compulsion on rand in Sheinar so male channellers can be
compelled (though she was actively channeling at the time). Is
it only through the bond that women are supposed to be unable
to compel men? (I think I lost sight of the conversation
somwhere )
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Freya
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posted March 28, 2003 07:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by twistedbutsane: I
understand that the Aes Sedai that the Ashaman were bonded
to were sworn to Rand and had saved his life but I still
think it would be a big leap from appreciating their aiding
of Rand to becoming connected to Aes Sedai and the Tower for
the rest of their lives. I also couldn't see an Aes Sedai
wanting potential madmen linked to them for life unless they
could control them somehow.
The reasoning I remember seeing for
the Bonding was that Taim placed the names of anyone
not currently in the Black Tower grounds on the "Traitor's
Tree" (or whatever they called it). That included Narshima,
Flinn, and the rest. So, if they returned to the Tower to wait
for Rand, they would be 'tried' and executed as traitors. And,
given the big fight Rand had with Dashiva in Cairhein, they
couldn't just hang out in Cairhein by themselves waiting for
Rand to return. (If I skewed the timeline, please correct it.)
The Aes Sedai had proven themselves loyal to the Dragon Reborn
and trustworthy. The Aes Sedai saw their situation and offered
protection. The Ashaman took it.
quote:
Liandrin successfully used compulsion on
rand in Sheinar so male channellers can be compelled (though
she was actively channeling at the time).
The argument over 'actively
channeling' was a question of using the compulsion component
of the Bond, not about someone actually weaving compulsion.
But, as you pointed out, male channelers can be
compulsed.
The question was can male channelers who
are bonded be compulsed by way of the Bond? People seem to
think that because Rand withstood Alanna's attempt to compulse
him, all male channelers are beyond compulsion via the
Bond. A few people have pointed out that Rand is not your
average male channeler so applying what happens to him to
every male channeler is flawed logic at best.
quote:
Is it only through the bond that women
are supposed to be unable to compel men? (I think I lost
sight of the conversation somwhere )
See explanation above. ![[Smile]](Wizards_Com Boards Women Warders (2)_fichiers/smile.gif)
-------------------- felicia AKA Freya
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aleshandre
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posted March 31, 2003 07:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Freya: The question
was can male channelers who are bonded be compulsed
by way of the Bond? People seem to think that because Rand
withstood Alanna's attempt to compulse him, all male
channelers are beyond compulsion via the Bond. A few
people have pointed out that Rand is not your average male
channeler so applying what happens to him to every male
channeler is flawed logic at best.
Freya hit this on the head. The majority consensus here
is has been that for whatever reason, Rand can easily resist
the compulsion aspect of the warder bond; however, this does
not preclude other male channelers from being so compelled. If
it were so, it would likely be true for male and female
channelers - which it is not, so male channelers (like any
warder) makes a will save or is compelled.
Now an
alternate possibility: Because male channelers are
constantly fighting to control saidin, they are more used to a
battle of will than women who surrender to saidar, leaving a
viable conclusion. Male channelers fight everything foriegn to
their own will, including being compelled through the bond
without thinking, giving them a circumstance bonus on the will
save (still possible to compel, but not as easy), while female
channelers used to surrendering, gain no bonus leaving them to
the base will save bonus (making it slightly easier to
compel). This can work both ways granting a bonus on the
compulsion done by men, and on their save.
This is
purely speculation and should not be taken to be a statement
of personal agreement with the proposed hypothesis.
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Torln
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posted April 03, 2003 07:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by aleshandre:
quote:
Originally posted by Freya: A few people
have pointed out that Rand is not your average male
channeler so applying what happens to him to every male
channeler is flawed logic at best.
Freya hit this on the head. The majority consensus
here is has been that for whatever reason, Rand can easily
resist the compulsion aspect of the warder bond; however,
this does not preclude other male channelers from being so
compelled. If it were so, it would likely be true for male
and female channelers - which it is not, so male channelers
(like any warder) makes a will save or is
compelled.
Now an alternate possibility: Because
male channelers are constantly fighting to control saidin,
they are more used to a battle of will than women who
surrender to saidar, leaving a viable conclusion. Male
channelers fight everything foriegn to their own will,
including being compelled through the bond without thinking,
giving them a circumstance bonus on the will save (still
possible to compel, but not as easy), while female
channelers used to surrendering, gain no bonus leaving them
to the base will save bonus (making it slightly easier to
compel). This can work both ways granting a bonus on the
compulsion done by men, and on their
save.
I do agree and actually say that your above suggestion
makes for a very good and clear houserule. In fact mythos-wise
making sense, hence seeming far more feasable.
I say
the reason for Rand not be compulsed by Alanna is he was
within the void (emotional/mental detachment) and had a
DAMN-high save.
(then again haven't got the book, so
probably talking complete rubbish here!)
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Sophiathegreen
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posted April 20, 2003 09:58 PM
I see
nothing wrong with female warder being bond to than female Aes
Sedai. All instrution are convesrate by nature and they donot
like change of any type good or bad. They mightnot like it
at all but it the female warder succed on than inportant
mission the tower willnot take any action against but merely
say it against tradition. But they arenot going to encought
female warder.
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