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The Great Gray Skwid
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posted May 12, 2003 09:33 AM      Profile for The Great Gray Skwid   Email The Great Gray Skwid    Edit/Delete Post
Wow. Old thread.

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Originally posted by Steve Russell:
so go read 50 ways to kill a gholam at Wotmania.com.

At...where?

Don't tell me we're gonna have another ruckus between Wotmania and the FAQ...

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posted May 12, 2003 09:39 AM      Profile for Steve Russell   Email Steve Russell    Edit/Delete Post
sorry I ment the faq

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posted May 20, 2003 12:28 PM      Profile for Matai Gaidin      Edit/Delete Post
Thank you lostone for setting the thread straight. I agree with everything he said.

IIRC, RJ himself said that a gateway has weaves around its perimeter, but not in the portal itself, so gholams could pass through as easily as Mat has. That interview, I think, was an audio one from Dragonmount.com.

Lightning can be either a direct or indirect effect of the OP. In the books, multiple lightning bolts come from the sky when a weave is cast. Other times, it comes from the Channelers hands. (cf. During the battle in Caemlyn with Rahvin, after Rahvin had killed Aviendha and Mat with lightning, Rand creates a gateway to the throne room, sees Rahvin, and steps through "throwing lightning before him.") The RPG only has a single weave for Lightning, but in my opinion there ought to be two, one that's direct (create the lightning shooting from your hand) and one that's indirect (create a buildup of electric potential between two locations and let Nature do its thing).

I believe Mat died in Caemlyn because the lightning was not the weave, but an effect of the weave. Sidenote: the *Finn told him he'd die and live again. Sometimes he thinks that meant when he was hung and Rand had to start his heart again. IMO he was dying, but not dead. In Caemlyn he has some haunting, deja vu-type memories of dying from Rahvin's attack, but he's not sure because Rand's Balefire undid that part of the Pattern. However, in that attack, he really did die. Rand undid, thus making Mat alive again. Therefore, Mat died and lived again, just like the *Finn prophecy.

Some other points, Mat's medallion was not damaged in any way. There was no mark on it, but he was worried that it might not work the same. And, of course, he was too bull-headed to ask Elayne or any of the other Aes Sedai to help him "test" it. His medallion stops both saidar and saidin because Aran'gar (Halima) tried to do something to him and couldn't. I forget who said it, but you make a good point who said that Mat's ashanderei has never touched the gholam. We've seen him get stabbed with daggers and swords, and even punched and kicked with zero effect. We've never seen a Power-wrought weapon touch him.

Another interesting thought, we've seen a gholam pop up in Cairhien and also in Ebou Dar. The Ebou Dar one is the same every time, because Mat recognizes him. But, we don't know that he's the same as the one in Cairhien. We know there were 3 male and 3 female, but we don't know how many survived. We've only seen a male gholam. Could it be that there are 2 gholams running around? [Devilish] Not a happy thought.

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posted May 29, 2003 10:20 PM      Profile for Fisher-King      Edit/Delete Post
Just a question...

What do people think of my Gholam? Is it more 'right' than the one in the book?

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