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grolm
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posted January 19, 2003 12:29 AM      Profile for grolm      Edit/Delete Post
On page 534, first paragraph, Merise says "Damer, he wanted to try his Healing on her, but Daigian refused. She may never have had a Warder before, but she knows that the grieving over a dead Warder is part of remembering him. I am surprised that Corele would consider allowing it."
Also thanks for pointing out that the other is trace.

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posted January 20, 2003 04:03 PM      Profile for wierdbob      Edit/Delete Post
Does anyone else think it might have been Nichola who betrayed Egwene? She disappeared just before the plan was about to go ahead, she was part of the Cuelendar training (and not doing very well if memory serves), and the amount of sneaking about her and Arienia do together she could have quite easily overheard some of the sisters from the hall discussing the plan.

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posted January 20, 2003 04:19 PM      Profile for finnmckool   Email finnmckool    Edit/Delete Post
Ummmmm the Capt. of the DeathWatch and the Seeker (or whatever the SeanChean call them) who discussed finding her. The same ones who brought up the poor unfortunate moron girl trying to extole money in Tuon's name at some noble's house. The world doesn't know she's missing, but she IS missing, as is her "assistant." And the uppers of the Sean Chean on this side of the Arryth know it.
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posted January 20, 2003 04:58 PM      Profile for Andy Palmer   Email Andy Palmer    Edit/Delete Post
One thing I noticed in the book:

It appears that the cleansing of Saidin has done little to remove the madness from male channelers (based on Rand still talking to himself..).

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posted January 20, 2003 06:36 PM      Profile for finnmckool   Email finnmckool    Edit/Delete Post
Andy...unless that's not him being mad, BUT some horrible form of "Old Blood." What I mean is, that may actually BE Lews Therin's ghost in his head. Perhaps it's part of being the Dragon Reborn?
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posted January 20, 2003 06:49 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
Actually Rand says at one point that although the Taint on Saidin is gone, the Taint that is rubbed off on men (their Madness) isn't gone, they won't get any madder, but it is still apart of them.

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posted January 20, 2003 06:55 PM      Profile for finnmckool   Email finnmckool    Edit/Delete Post
About where in the book is that, because I missed that line? (I need to go back and find it!)
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posted January 20, 2003 07:13 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
Rand was in like two chapters of the book! It was in the part where he was the only male channeler around (min was with him) and he reachs for Saidin and Lewis nearly grabs it too because he forgot to fight him with Saidin being clean and all. Then he mentioned that while Saidin was clean now, the Taint already aquired isn't gone.

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posted January 21, 2003 02:25 AM      Profile for Jak Shadow   Email Jak Shadow    Edit/Delete Post
People might like to check out THIS report of one of the recent Jordan book signings.

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posted January 23, 2003 05:27 AM      Profile for Friend of the Dork      Edit/Delete Post
Trace can be used on Shadowspawn? Weird...
And on tracks as well? Or was it something like Sense Shadowspawn?

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posted January 23, 2003 10:46 PM      Profile for Lord Schpungus      Edit/Delete Post
The way Trace is set up in the RPG, it's more like 'here's a gift, now I can sense where you are' than 'this is what a darkhound pack smells like.' Neither is it like Sense Shadowspawn, as in the RPG that's sensing live shadowspawn nearby, rather than sensing the differences between packs of darkhounds who are gone and have left footprints.

I think a Detect Resonance weave would work well for both the Darkhound weave and the detection of (the prior use of and relative amount of) saidin by females.

Now for a few questions of my own:

1) The idea of Darkhounds as twisted wolves is cool. I especially like the idea of a Shadowbrother PrC. Any ideas? Also, do Darkhounds traverse Tel'aran'rhiod like wolves?

2) So there are ghosts now? How do we deal with them in the RPG?

3) Why isn't there any conclusions on any threads ni this book? No Faile, no DotNM marriage, no unified Tower, no Elayne coronation, no Nynaeve bonding Lan, no Taim getting his comeuppance, no death of Slayer and rescue of Moirane from the *finn... The hour is growing short, RJ. The Wild Hunt runs again, and the dead walk the land. These things must happen before you end the series, Mr. Jordan. I will be displeased if these things do not happen. However, I have faith in you that they will be included.

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posted January 24, 2003 03:54 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
Fear not LS, trust in the Creator (RJ to his fans), and RAFO. [ROFL]

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posted January 24, 2003 05:21 AM      Profile for Xythlord   Email Xythlord    Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Schpungus:
The way Trace is set up in the RPG, it's more like 'here's a gift, now I can sense where you are' than 'this is what a darkhound pack smells like.' Neither is it like Sense Shadowspawn, as in the RPG that's sensing live shadowspawn nearby, rather than sensing the differences between packs of darkhounds who are gone and have left footprints.


According to the RPG, the Trace weave allows you to "Also, if the target has recently been at your location (within 25 ft. of where you cast the weave) within the time allowed by the casting level, you sense that he has been there and roughly how long ago. If the target was experiencing intense emotions at the time he was at your location, you can sense him within double th elisted time for you casting level"

You could probably rule that almost all shadowspawn have intense emotion.

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posted January 24, 2003 07:04 AM      Profile for LuciusT      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Xythlord:
According to the RPG, the Trace weave allows you to "Also, if the target has recently been at your location (within 25 ft. of where you cast the weave) within the time allowed by the casting level, you sense that he has been there and roughly how long ago. If the target was experiencing intense emotions at the time he was at your location, you can sense him within double th elisted time for you casting level"

You could probably rule that almost all shadowspawn have intense emotion.

I don't have the rulebook with me, but I seem to recall that you actually need to know the target.

As I understand it Trace isn't a matter of "has someone been here within the last X hours" it's a matter of "has specific-person-X been here within the last X hours."

Trace is the weave Moiraine used to keep tabs on the 3 boys when they left the Two Rivers in Eye of the World. It is quite different, IMO, from whatever weave was used in Crossroads of Twilight on the Darkhound's tracks.

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posted January 24, 2003 07:07 AM      Profile for LuciusT      Edit/Delete Post
I've just finished Crossroads. I'd like to say I'm very disappointed, but unfortunately that would mean I was actually expecting something better. I wasn't. 700 pages in which nothing happens was about what I expect. I had hoped something would happen, but I didn't really expect it to.

Is anyone else reading these books mostly as research of their RPGs and not so much for the value of the story itself? [Smile]

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posted January 24, 2003 09:45 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
Not me. I love the story and even though it takes a year or two to get to the next book, I find it very exciting...even when the action is suspended for long periods of time. [Love]

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quote:
Is anyone else reading these books mostly as research of their RPGs and not so much for the value of the story itself?
"It is like a bad marriage. Going throught the motions but the passion is gone."

PS - I need to send you the map - I am about as done as I am going to get on it.

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posted January 24, 2003 12:27 PM      Profile for LuciusT      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Eosin_the_Red:
"It is like a bad marriage. Going throught the motions but the passion is gone."

[Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by Eosin_the_Red:
"PS - I need to send you the map - I am about as done as I am going to get on it.

Do you need my email address again?

Guess I should finish writing up the stuff I owe you in exchange. I got a little sidetracked.

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a): Isn't Delanna Grey Ajah??
b):There is another weave that hasn't been mentioned before: A weave that creates a kind of stasis field around the casks of food that the rebel tower has. The usage of this weave should have prevented the amound of weevils in the food.... that it didn't work suggested to some of the Aes Sedai that Saidar is failing somehow... anyone else thought about this?

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It's called a Keeping. It maintains the object(s) within in a ward against time, which does not wear off. A stasis box is likely a Ter-angreal that makes a keeping inside. [Wink]

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posted January 25, 2003 11:09 AM      Profile for Heron_Marked_Blade      Edit/Delete Post
Didn't we see the Keeping weave before? I seem to remember Elaida doing something of the sort to her flowers to keep them in bloom....and not just using the Power to help them grow like she did in Caemlyn.

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Didn't we see the Keeping weave before? I seem to remember Elaida doing something of the sort to her flowers to keep them in bloom....and not just using the Power to help them grow like she did in Caemlyn.

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posted January 25, 2003 11:43 AM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
What about what Rand did in Winter's Heart? He left a perma-blossome for Elayne after they boinged.

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posted January 25, 2003 12:38 PM      Profile for Lord Schpungus      Edit/Delete Post
So Tuon's a channeler, right? Is she just one who can learn, or who has the spark? I know what you're thinking, you're thinking that she would've been tested for damane and caught if she were. But there might be some special perrogative of the Imperial family that they're just tested to be sul'dam. Maybe, or maybe I'm being weird.
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posted January 25, 2003 02:27 PM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
Since the damane are used like metal detectors to find marath damane, it's unlikely that she was born with the spark. Also, once a marath damane is identified, her name is blotted out of her family's book and if of the blood, out of the book of the blood. Nobody is immune, Tuon said (in her internal monologue) that right after failing the test to see if she was marath damane, she tested for suldam (WH,prologue). We know; however, that all suldam are women who can learn to channel. [Wink]

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