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Ma'caldazar
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posted March 13, 2003 03:06 AM      Profile for Ma'caldazar      Edit/Delete Post
what is the prize of a damane. when egeain capture bayle domans ship she tell he that she own the damane and she is not even of the blood a seanechan noble probably would want to and be able to buy a damane. and by the way what pay would a suldam charge.

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Chel'adar Tamero
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posted March 13, 2003 07:19 AM      Profile for Chel'adar Tamero   Email Chel'adar Tamero    Edit/Delete Post
About twice the price of a reasonable ship??? Expensive, that's for sure. (wasn't this asked before?? I remember reading a topic of someone asking the same)

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posted March 13, 2003 08:03 AM      Profile for Luna_Luciferi   Email Luna_Luciferi    Edit/Delete Post
hey...
are you some kind of Seanchan freak?
That reminds me of a player when we were playing the swedish version of Dungeons and Dragons...
the GM got a note who said " I wanna meet three skeletons"... the GM looked att the guy and shaked his head... then he got another note "Please!!"... We kicked that guy out of our session... thats just bad roleplaying.
You shouldn't have a Damane and Suldam when you're a player... you shouldn't actually get yourself a raken either... that's the GM's toys... remember, you're the one playing in the GM's garden... not reverse!

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Steve Russell
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posted March 13, 2003 09:29 AM      Profile for Steve Russell   Email Steve Russell    Edit/Delete Post
why not a seanchan campaign.

You could play a Sul'dam with a damane, a noble, a member of the fist of heaven or deathwatch ogier, a male channeler on the run (forget gentling they kill you), a court bard, a so'jhin shadow, A handler of any exotic, senchan barbarian (CoT), the possiblities are endless

Gary Gygax told me that if you limit yourself as a GM you are robbing you player of an experience.

I could see it. the seanchan are not allied with the dark one

Hell i would run a darkfriends campaign just for the fun.

To the Point: remember Sul'dam services are not costly follow the rules for Profession becasue there are more sul'dam than Damane

Damne are extremly rare and owned sul'dam are rarer still, the only Blood I have seen with Sul'dam are Tuon, Turok and Tuon and they are of the High Blood the cost should be high. Also remember those who have Damane are closely watched by the Seekers of Truth.

Plus it seams these things go for auction (Bayle Domon is the only time you actually learn about the buying and selling of property). So the price could rise very high. You as the GM would get to set the price to how bad or even if the PC can afford it.

personly I would have the PC visit an auction and have him lose because it is more then he can afford that way he has a motivation to earn a certin amount of money. (this could be an adventure of its own)

P.S.
Personly I have a problem with a PC wanting to indulge in slave trade. I know to the Seanchan it is Socialy acceptable. I consider it evil and would constatly be bringing up moral challanges to the character (such as him finding out the Sul'dam can learn to channel)

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Ma'caldazar
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posted March 14, 2003 04:08 AM      Profile for Ma'caldazar      Edit/Delete Post
thanks i think i get it now
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Sophiathegreen
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posted April 14, 2003 02:59 AM      Profile for Sophiathegreen   Email Sophiathegreen    Edit/Delete Post
Slavely have than very long history on this planet and even the Pope in the middle age own some slaves.
The Islamic state have slave soilder fight for then and their where treat very well. Some slave have more
status and power and position in socierty than free people did. In Islamic state than slave can buy his freedom or be given his freedom by his master. Only in the American south was the worst form of slavely practive.

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posted April 14, 2003 05:39 AM      Profile for Moon-Hawk      Edit/Delete Post
This is an excellent point. No Seanchan slaves are treated in the same way as (early) american slaves. Most da'covale (those who are property) are treated much better than this by the Seanchan. For the most part, the Seanchan don't mistreat their slaves. There are several mentions of how the servant of a noble (so'jhin) can be a much more prestigious position than a common person for the seanchan. Remember also that the deathwatch guard (minus the ogier members) are considered slaves, as are the Seekers for Truth.
Damane, on the other hand, are treated exactly the same as one would treat an intelligent, dangerous animal. From THAT perspective, they are not mistreated; they are treated very well, for animals. They are not, of course, animals, and so treating them as such is a horrible abuse.
So slavery is a very broad term that can apply to a range of situations, and I think the Seanchan pretty much cover that range, from damane to so'jhin.
And remember kids, if the pope says it's okay, it must be true. [bow] [NoNoNo]

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posted April 14, 2003 06:17 AM      Profile for Sophiathegreen   Email Sophiathegreen    Edit/Delete Post
The Pope in questron was in the marketplace when he notice two slaves being sold who look so much like angles that he decide to bid on then as one of the highter bid was than man known to mistreat slave badly. These slave was from a place called by then England and the Pope took it to mean Angloland. The Pope free then and have then educrate in the Christian Faith even thought they where orginate pagon and have then sent back as Misstoray to spead Christian.
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Steve Russell
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posted April 14, 2003 09:47 PM      Profile for Steve Russell   Email Steve Russell    Edit/Delete Post
the real point is regarless of your status you are property and can be treated badly, killed, tortured, and abused. (Tuon mentions men who like to bed damane)

Regardless of your social status a slave is still subjegated to the will of its master.

The Subjegation of the free will of human life is evil in my game. That is why compulsion is look upon so harshly.

You are free to do what you will. For you are not a slave.

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posted April 15, 2003 04:49 AM      Profile for shadow-dancer      Edit/Delete Post
The auction idea is a good fun one [Smile]

One member of my party is dead set on freeing damane wherever he can. This is to the extent that I can see the two aiel scouts squirming when they have to tell him they have spotted another Seanchan patrol with damane in it. His eyes light up 'oh there is only 20 of them, we can have them' and then has to be shouted down by the party! I think to date they have freed about 5 or 6 (mostly not Seanchan ones). They are so nice, they pack them off to the tower with an escort and money to pay their way [Smile]

They went to Falme, and spotted an auction, and as they have been trading their way accross the world, he did spend some time trying to work out whether he could buy some damane, but as I set the prices starting at about 100 gold, he had to ditch that idea.....I think everyone else would have been very upset if he had spent their profit!.. He is still planning how he can raise an army and free all the damane! It'll be amusing to see how he works that one out! [Big Grin]

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