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The What
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posted February 07, 2003 12:33 PM
Crossroads
of twilight changes the story line of the Wheel of time in a
major day. Most of the book takes place within two days, but
it is jam packed with adventure(b)s! Egwene, before being
randomly kidnapped, but after somehow rediscovering
ceundillar, regooups with Bella. This is as sure of a sign
that the Last Battle is coming as it comes. Aside from
that, another major developement in the CoT book is Rand al'
Thor, believe it or not, can channel the one power!!!! A
man channeling, omfg! All jokin aside, I love the wheel of
time, but there just doesn't seem to be any major plot
changes. I think the biggest shockers came in the prolouge.
Anyhow, reply in anything you think is a true new
developement that warranted us to wait 2 years to read. At
this rate, Rand will have altzeimers while trying to weave
simple fire balls during the last
battle.
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posted February 07, 2003 03:20 PM
VERY little
happens to adjust the plot of WoT in CoT except to add further
complications. Dead walk, weevils in grains, and nearly
everyone wants to start dealing. Seanchan and Rand and Co.,
White and Black Towers, everyone wants to get together, but
things get in the way.
I wouldn't give players a
Cuendillar making weave for a while, and even so, the desire
to do outrageously unbalanced things with it would undoubtedly
come up. Plus, if a player is playing in the WoT at a point
where they could learn the weave, they'd have to be in the
Little Tower group of rebels and they'd have to have been
listed among the people who could do it. Since they're
character's name wasn't listed, no dice on having the
talent.
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posted February 07, 2003 05:21 PM
Well I look
at it like this, CoT, while getting barely nothing done it's
entire length, has set up for huge events to happen in the
next book, so I can't wait for #11 to come out. At this point
we all know that it is going to rock. ![[Smile]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (1)_fichiers/smile.gif)
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Lord Schpungus
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posted February 07, 2003 06:32 PM
Do we? I'm
not sure if RJ has the skill any more to have his characters
actually do anything. Maybe in book 11 we'll finally get a 3
page description of Rand's clothes, instead of all those icky
females' clothes descriptions.
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posted February 08, 2003 09:12 PM
WARNING,
SPOILER ALERT I think this book was really to demonstrate
just how powerful a Ta'veren Rand really is. Everyone notices
the big release of the one power from his purging Saidin, but
when they freak out, they do so in his favour. Like the Aes
Sedai Red deciding that bonding Asha'man was the right way to
deal with them instead of gentling them. Against their nature?
Definitely. Possible? Only by the minutest chance. Or the Aes
Sedai deciding they need male channellers to link with? Big
time reversal. END SPOILER
it seems after that
event, everyone suddenly wants to be on Rand's side, or at
least negotiate instead of dominate. Even the Seanchan.
Perrin's getting boring real quick though. I wish R.J.
would kill him off
allready!
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Lord Schpungus
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posted February 08, 2003 11:19 PM
*possible
spoilers* > > > > > > Perrin
used to be my favorite character. You can't kill him off!
Plus, he's gotta be there for TG or the DO wins. (see Min's
viewings circa books 2-5) That being said, he's gotten really
boring as of late. Rescue Faile, kill Slayer, break the Tower
of Ghenjei, save Moirane, he's got a lot of stuff on his
plate. I just wish he'd get on with it. Also, I'm not sure the
Seanchan want to deal peaceably. Suroth's got the sad
bracelets, she's a DF, she'll try to capture him. The other
alliances will be nice. TAS+SAS=One White Tower(sometime,
maybe...) Black Tower(without Taimandred) + White Tower will
be cool.
Book 11 really better be the Seanchan book.
Attacking the White Tower, capturing Rand, killing Shaido,
Do9M marrying Mat... After all this the Seanchan should be
defeated as foes and made allies against the Dark One. That,
for one, will be a major step. Not sure what will happen with
channelers, though.
Learning more about Shara would be
nice, but it would add about 5 books to the series that I'm
not sure would be worth it.
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posted February 09, 2003 12:55 AM
I thought
alot happened... but one problem. Not one single fight in the
whole novel!? That really sucks. The closest we got to it was Lan
sparing/making general arses of the Asha'man, which is cool I
guess, but would have been alot more exciting with real blades
:cackle: Ah well, that was my biggest problem. There was a
happy change of not reading 4 pages on bust sizes and
blushing.
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The What
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posted February 09, 2003 11:17 AM
I like
Rand, Perrin, and Mat, but still, I'm not gonna defend them.
They sat all book long. Perrin's wife is just waiting there
for him to rescue, and wow, he has to ally with seanchan, big
f#$%in' deal. Also, when will he realize that morgase is
morgase. She looks just like Elayne.
Rand did nothing.
He made a dcision we know nothing about and the rest of the
book just waited. He is just being taveren. He should do
otherthings to yaknow.
Mat went the furthest, but even
he didnt accomplish much. And can't julin sandar smell where
evil occured and track it? Wh ydid they need to use foot
tracks?
Bella is in Tar Valon, and will soon make her
move towrad the Aamyrlyn Seat. We already know she is the
strongesyt channeler since the AOL. So, when Halima starts
giving her headaches, narg can just take halimas head off.
Which reminds me,
narg............
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posted February 09, 2003 02:13 PM
quote:
And
can't julin sandar smell where evil occured and track it? Wh
ydid they need to use foot tracks?
Because Julian isn't a Sniffer, that was Hurin
waaaayyy back in TGH. ![[Smile]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (1)_fichiers/smile.gif)
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aleshandre
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posted February 09, 2003 02:26 PM
1 Taim is
NOT Demandred, by this time, the overlap in Rand & LTT's
memories would have revealed that he was, and Rand would have
gone to kill him, or told Logain to kill him. 2 Julin
Sandar is a thief taker, but not a sniffer. He is just really
good at what he does. 3 Plot changes: **Egwene gets
captured by the Tower AS. Now how is she going to be the
Amrylin? **Perrin decides to ally with the Seanchan against
the Shaido. We all know that Perrin thinks that the Seanchan
are a threat. **Rand agrees to meet with the Seanchan for
negotiating an alliance. We all know that he would like to
drive them back into the sea, or destroy them
completely. **The tables have turned on Mat and he is about
to be taken back to Seanchan Territory as the Son in law of
the Nine Moons. He'll be well protected, but he's going to be
treated like a toy for a while longer. **Despite Mat's
efforts, Tylin was killed apparently in connection with his
dissapearance. **Beslyn now appears to be ready to accept
Seanchan rule as king of Altara. This after all the arguments
and plotting against the Seanchan. All the Aes Sedai are
ready to negotiate alliance with the Black Tower (except
Elaida and the Black Ajah). Does there need to be any more
plot twists or are you just upset that there were no major
battles? If we look at Path of Daggers through Crossroads of
Twilight as a single book (which is what they obviously were
since the events of all three overlap), then we have all the
elements that we want. Lots of action, plot twists galore and
a grand climactic battle, followed by the prologue and a nice
cliffhanger. ![[Wink]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (1)_fichiers/wink.gif)
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posted February 09, 2003 02:45 PM
Tylin was
killed by Gholam wasn't she? Mat was ****** because he
realized that he tied her up and left her under her bed, and
she was defenseless to try for help or anything because she
was gagged.
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aleshandre
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posted February 09, 2003 02:53 PM
Yes, but
that's still in connection with his leaving. ![[Wink]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (1)_fichiers/wink.gif)
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posted February 09, 2003 03:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by aleshandre:
Does
there need to be any more plot twists or are you just upset
that there were no major battles?
I would have settled for a fist-fight. ![[Bored]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (1)_fichiers/dozey.gif)
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Lord Schpungus
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posted February 09, 2003 05:44 PM
>1 Taim
is NOT Demandred, by this time, the >overlap in Rand
& LTT's memories would have >revealed that he was,
and Rand would have gone >to kill him, or told Logain to
kill him.
I'm not so sure about that. LTT's memories
wouldn't tell Rand who Demandred is currently impersonating.
Plus LTT's constant 'kill him! kill him!' seems to be marking
something important. The memories might, however, point out
that Taim and Demandred are similar in that they're always
second to the Dragon. Oh, and about recognizing the face,
Demandred would just use an inverted Illusion weave to look
just different enough.
Either way, Taim is bad news and
must be killed.
Robert Jordan has to know that most of
his readers are teenage males, and as such, they like
deciciveness and action instead of 'what kind of tea shall I
have' intrigue. Get something going, RJ. We've had enough set
up; give us the payoff.
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aleshandre
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posted February 10, 2003 04:41 AM
Rand knows
how to invert, and so would be able to recognize an inverted
web if he sees it for longer than the length of time it would
take for an attack to reach him. At the begining, LTT was
insisting on Rand killing all of the Asha'man. Recently, he
has not been screaming to kill anyone. Why would Demandred
intentionally place himself in a position where he would be
second to the Dragon once again? No, Demandred would not.
Osangar was already in The Black Tower (as Daishiva), so this
leaves all other Forsaken out. The Forsaken don't trust
eachother and would consider another infiltraiting the place
they had infiltraited first a direct confrontation which would
inevitably result in the end of a tenuous truce between them.
Daishiva had an unrecognizable disguise because it was a new
body, thus no weaves to
identify.
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Lord Schpungus
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posted February 10, 2003 09:46 AM
Taim
controls the Black Tower, plain and simple. Rand may think he
does but he's sorely mistaken. Demandred could still be Taim,
just getting close enough to steal what LTT has and kill him
with it. Osangar was in the Black Tower, yes. But does
Demandred know who Osangar is or what he looks like? How would
he know there was another Forsaken in the Black Tower if he
didn't know what that Forsaken looked like?
Rand hasn't
been around Taim long enough to tell. Rand's off saving the
world and feeling sorry for himself, while Taim is amassing an
army of male channelers at the Black Tower who are loyal to
him alone.
We haven't seen a Demandred POV in quite a
long time. Nobody can be sure where he is. Until we know for
sure, I'm still saying he's Taim.
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posted February 10, 2003 03:29 PM
Taim is not
Demandred. A hundred times over Taim is NOT Demandred. If he
was, he would have recognized Damer Flinn at the end of
Winter's Heart, but he did not.
Secondly, if all we had
were two books, then yes, the next one would have the Seanchan
thing handled and the final book would be Last Battle and
Denoument. However, I recall an interview with RJ where he
said he tried to write 1500 page books, trying to cram
everything he wanted into the book and ends up trimming down
to 700 pages. I think that's why we're even on book 10, and I
think that's why we may see a 13th or even 14th book before
we're done. The man cannot estimate how long everything will
take him.
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posted February 10, 2003 03:49 PM
quote:
"If it
takes eighteen books to tell the whole story of the
Wheel of Time, then it will be eighteen books!"
-Quote of Robert Jordan when asked if he will ever just stop
writing the WoT.
Scary huh?
Another thing, this isn't based on
any of the novels but the Prophicies of the Dragon, in it
after you free Taim from the Black Ajah sisters, he opens a
Gateway and Skims away. I know the game isn't 100% to the
books, but if Taim's traveling ability is at all based on tips
from RJ, than I must wonder why Taim already knew two lost
weaves.
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posted February 10, 2003 08:27 PM
Demandred
has been to the same meetings of the "Chosen" as Osangar has.
To say that he wouldn't recognize Osangar is ridiculous.
Furthermore, even if for some Shadow forsaken reason, he
didn't know another Forsaken when he saw one, Osangar would
recognize Demandred, and he would not stand for it.
The issue of Taim knowing skimming, or
Traveling has been addressed by RJ (subtlely) in the interview
that he did with WoTmania and Dragonmount. He said that if he
had known the details of the Taim story arch in tPotD, he
would have told them to change it.
It is clear that Taim is a Darkfreind and
likely the ranking Dreadlord, possibly a canidate for
Forsaken, but he is NOT a Forsaken at this time period
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Lord Schpungus
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posted February 10, 2003 09:59 PM
Say what
you will, I'm not backing down until I'm proven wrong.
Taimandred stays.
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posted February 11, 2003 09:34 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Schpungus: Say
what you will, I'm not backing down until I'm proven wrong.
Taimandred stays.
Then try *this* and *this* and this and finally *this*
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posted February 11, 2003 10:06 AM
Just
because he didn't recognize Flynn does not offer conclusive
proof.
Flynn is not one of Taim's toadies and therefore
could very well be beneath his radar. Also, Flynn had been
away for some time so, tell me of 500 or more male channelers
you would remember each one... jeez - try knowing EVERY single
person in your high school class....
Doesn't prove
anything.
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posted February 11, 2003 04:42 PM
I knew
every guy in my company, was close friends with most of the
guys in my platoon...and after three years knew most of the
guys by sight enough to recognize the new guys in the
battalion (1,300 plus). These were men that I lived with and
fought with, so ya, I would think that Taim might be able to
recognize Dashiva.
And let us not forget that it's not
like Flyn was some kind of johnny come lately. He was the very
first man to be tested to see if he could channel, while he
was teaching Rand how to sense channeling. You would think
that the Forsaken would be a little miffed if the sweet little
scam he was pulling on Rand was being crowded in by
another.
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posted February 12, 2003 05:54 AM
Another
former soldier here. After 3 years, I knew the men (500+) in
my cavalry troop well enough to identify them by name at 100
meters in the day and 50 at night. "Not so hard", you say? I'm
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posted February 12, 2003 10:39 AM
Taim isn't
Demandred.
In the first place, Jordan has definitively
said that he isn't in post-CoT signing reports.
In the
second place, Flinn isn't one of his toadies, but he is the
first guy that Taim tested, and for quite a while was the one
that Taim left in charge when he left the Black Tower to go
recruiting. Besides, it's unlikely that Flinn's Talent for
Healing went unnoticed.
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