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posted March 05, 2003 05:57 PM
Has anyone
yet offered that maybe ALL people have the ability to learn to
channel? That maybe the Sul'dam have just enough ability that
they are picked up? Maybe the a'dam works because all people
have the ability the access the one power?
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Xythlord
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posted March 05, 2003 10:07 PM
But the
a'dam does not work for all people, that is why they test for
them when they go to the villages looking for damane. Just
like most people cannot be taught to channel, so too most
cannot use the a'dam.
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Melriken
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posted March 05, 2003 10:53 PM
here is the
real answer to can a shielded Sul'dam control a Damane through
an A'dam.
Point 1: Only those who can channel or learn
to do so are able to use an A'dam.
Point 2: Sul'dam are
not known to embrace the source before connecting, however
when they are connected the glow does surround them (I will
look up a quote if you want me to, but I dont think this is
contested)
Point 3: If you have been severed you can
not control a Damane with an A'dam (look to Matt escaping with
the three damane, I believe the search for sul'dam to use
includes the idea to use someone who had been severed, but it
has been a while)
given the above the real question
is: Does shield act as a temporary Sever, or does it do
less?
Both are described as preventing someone from
touching the source, but leaving them able to sence it. My
belive is then that if you are shielded then you can NOT use
an A'dam. and thus a Damane linked to you would not be able to
do any more then she could if the A'dam were hanging on a peg
on the wall.
But when it really comes down to it the
above question has never been answered (to my knowlage) and
thus it is the GM's call.
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Duloth
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posted March 06, 2003 01:59 AM
------------- The Sul'dam cannot use the Power at
all unless they learn to embrace the source. This is a very
specific process, that is described in detail throughout the
books. They may eventually gain the potential by associated
with the damane over a long period of time, to sense other
channelers, to see the weaves, etc, but they cannot channel a
single thing without embracing. This would also mean that they
do not use it in small things because then they would be seen
by other Sul'dam/damane when they glow.
Before you
mention wilders unconsiously doing these things, wilders also
develop a block to protect themselves, Sul'dam
don't. -------------
!?!?? Rand was depicted as
having performed feats of power before learning to embrace the
source, and by accident. Most other Wilders undoubtedly do the
same.
And why can't Sul`dam develop a block to protect
themselves like any other wilder? Remember, while you have to
be able the channel to use an A`dam, you can have a block and
use it, as Nynaeve
demonstrated.
--------------------------------- The
reason that an a'dam works is that it is a forced link. It
doesn't require the power because you just put it on, unlike
some other ter'angreal we have seen where you need to channel
into it. A Sul'dam could not channel into because she has
never embraced the source, remember she only feels complete
when she is with a damane who has embraced the source.
Otherwise she would feel the joy of saidar by
herself.
I could be wrong, its been known to happen,
but I think that my reasoning is pretty concrete on this. If
you have any evidence other than opinion, please provide the
quote and page number (either RPG or the Novels), and I will
be happy to look at it and revise my
conclusion. ---------------------------------
And
again.. whether or not you have learned to embrace the source
doesn't matter. Its quite possible that Sul`dam embrace the
source every time they use an A`dam, without realizing it, and
just don't get that its a part of them and not the
Damane.
But the thing is.. you said you don't need to
channel into it. Right. But you do need to be able to channel
to use it. Period. If you can't channel, then you can't use an
A`dam. If your severed, or shielded, the A`dam is a useless
piece of metal to you, and a bounding constraint to the
Damane. And as I've said.. people have used the source without
ever knowing it. And Sul`dam are probably all Wilders, with
the Block: While not toughing an A`dam.
Remember
something. All 'Magical items' in WoT require something to
activate. For some, anyone can use them as long as they are
alive. But some, like an A`dam, require someone who can
channel. Its pure, and its simple, in game terms and in
logical ones.
A`dam requires someone able to channel.
If something removes the ability of the person using it to
channel.. they can't use it anymore. Period. And before you
clain that severing and shielding are different.. Nynaeve
described a sever weave as being like a sharpened version of a
shield weave. The only difference being that instead of
blocking something temporarily, it cut
it.
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The Great Gray
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posted March 06, 2003 06:22 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Melriken: Point 3: If
you have been severed you can not control a Damane with an
A'dam (look to Matt escaping with the three damane, I
believe the search for sul'dam to use includes the idea to
use someone who had been severed, but it has been a
while)
Well, Elayne and Nynaeve test out Moggy's a'dam with
Siuan and Leane in the Prologue of LoC, and then Setalle Anan
tries to use one in Chapter 29 of WH. It's unclear exactly
what Setalle experienced, but Siuan and Leane definitely got
more than a non-channeler would. They didn't get any control
of Moggy at all, but they did get the warder-esque lump of
sensations and emotions in their heads. Non-channelers get
nothing at all, aside from a cold bracelet on their wrist
rather awkwardly attached to someone else's
neck.
quote:
given the above the real question is: Does
shield act as a temporary Sever, or does it do less? Both
are described as preventing someone from touching the
source, but leaving them able to sence it.
No.
Severed individuals (and those within a
stedding or Far Madding) are no longer able to even sense the
True Source. Shielded individuals can.
That might be
important. It might not. There simply isn't enough information
to make that call definitively at this point, so in the end we
are in agreement. GM's
call.
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Blackdraman
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posted March 06, 2003 11:01 AM
I would
like to thank one and all for their opinions and points of
view. I have used the information to come to the conclusion
that :in my games: Shielded Sul'dam's loose control of the
Damane. I do agree that uncontrolled Damane are limited to 0
level weaves and 1/4 their Slot Pool, to show the little they
can do and how hard it is for them to do
it.
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