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Daikatana
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posted January 27, 2003 06:31 AM
Was it just
me or do anybody else feel that it didn´t happen anything in
the book.
I actualy ha to force my self through the
book and I think it is RJ´s most boring book.
And I
love the other books.
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Tam al'Moff
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posted January 27, 2003 06:35 AM
When Egwene
was at the chain it was pitch dark yet she was targeted by
another sister. Could this other sister 'see' her glow or
weave of one power in the dark? The other sister could
certainly 'feel' the use of the OP but I wondered if the
weaves could be learned if they were woven at night.
My impression is that it can't but if a player asked I
would be hard pressed to justify
it.
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aleshandre
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posted January 27, 2003 06:50 AM
To a person
who can channel, the threads are glowing strands, while nobody
else would be able to see them. Think nightvision goggles
looking at an infrared light. Also in the books, when a woman
is channeling, it is nearly always described as being seen as
a glowing or the light of sadair surrounding the woman
channeling; a light that can only be seen by another woman who
can channel. ![[Wink]](Wizards_Com Boards Crossroads MAJOR SPOILERS disscussion (3)_fichiers/wink.gif)
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Tannolor
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posted January 28, 2003 02:38 PM
quote:
Was it
just me or do anybody else feel that it didn´t happen
anything in the book.
I actualy ha to force my self
through the book and I think it is RJ´s most boring
book.
And I love the other books.
LOL I feel the same way, I found it so boring. But what
are you going to do?
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aleshandre
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posted January 29, 2003 07:16 AM
I found it
quite commpelling, but then I saw it as setting the stage for
some heavy action when 11 comes out. ![[Big Grin]](Wizards_Com Boards Crossroads MAJOR SPOILERS disscussion (3)_fichiers/biggrin.gif)
-------------------- Stupidity is not a
crime, so you're free to go. Normal people frighten me.
I've never heard of freinds or relatives of serial killers
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later and start killing people". They always seem to say, "He
was such a nice normal young man", etc. Atleast with
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LuciusT
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posted January 29, 2003 08:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by aleshandre: I found
it quite commpelling, but then I saw it as setting the stage
for some heavy action when 11 comes out.
It is not the job of an entire 680 page novel to set
the stage! That could be... should be... done in the
prologue and first few chapters. At most, he sould have needed
one chapter to set the stage for each major character and
another chapter to set up the minor characters and background
events. Then we could have had some actual thing happen and
maybe we would actually have finished the series before now.
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aleshandre
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posted January 29, 2003 09:56 AM
Well I
guess we just look at things differently ![[Smile]](Wizards_Com Boards Crossroads MAJOR SPOILERS disscussion (3)_fichiers/smile.gif)
-------------------- Stupidity is not a
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I've never heard of freinds or relatives of serial killers
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later and start killing people". They always seem to say, "He
was such a nice normal young man", etc. Atleast with
crazy people, you know to watch your back! My web page, new
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Lord Schpungus
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posted January 29, 2003 02:10 PM
And the 100
page prologue... Gaahh. I at least expected Faile to be
rescued, maybe even Moirane. Maybe even Elayne could secure
the Lion Throne and Egwene could unite the Tower again. But
no. Nothing at all. Oh, wait. There was one thing that
happened, and it was on the very last page. Egwene turns the
iron chains into cuendillar and gets captured.
Here's
a condensed version of Crossroads of
Twilight:
Prologue: Unimportant people are doing
unimportant stuff.
Rest of the book: People sense
the cleansing of saidin. They say WTF? and are
distracted.
Matt buys the DotNM a dress. The circus
starts moving away from Ebou Dar...slowly. The dice roll in
his head.
Darkhounds circle Perrin's camp. They find
the city where Faile is being held. There are tons of Shaido.
Someone suggests letting the Seanchan help kill the
Shaido.
Three major houses join Elayne's cause. She
complains about being pregnant.
Cadsuane complains
about having to teach Rand to be strong and not hard. Rand
wants an alliance with the Seanchan. He sends Logain and the
Saldean guy to negotiate a truce.
Egwene and the Aes
Sedai plot and chitter. They turn the chains across the Tar
Valon harbor into cuendillar. Egwene gets
captured.
There. That's the book. In less than a page.
And I didn't leave anything important out.
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posted January 29, 2003 02:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Lord
Schpungus: There. That's the book. In less than a
page. And I didn't leave anything important
out.
yeah you did!
Epilog: Logain and the Saldean
guy come back from the Seanchan, and say that they are willing
to negotiate with Rand, and that the negotiations will be done
my a new Seanchan noble, the Daughter of the Nine Moons (who
is currently held by Mat)
Book three lets us know that
part of the proficys of the Dragon are that he will 'Bind the
nine moons to serve him'
hah, you lose (oh wait it is
still less than a page)
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posted January 30, 2003 07:26 AM
At least I
didn't miss anything when I finally dismissed 2/3rd of the
book as filler and jumped right to the important
sections.
If Robert Jordan really wants to entertain me
he had better come up with better stories than this crap. I'm
paying him enough.
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aleshandre
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posted January 30, 2003 11:14 AM
Thank you
for your input, now please start a different thread for
additional complaints. ![[Big Grin]](Wizards_Com Boards Crossroads MAJOR SPOILERS disscussion (3)_fichiers/biggrin.gif)
-------------------- Stupidity is not a
crime, so you're free to go. Normal people frighten me.
I've never heard of freinds or relatives of serial killers
saying, "He was crazy, I knew he was going to snap sooner or
later and start killing people". They always seem to say, "He
was such a nice normal young man", etc. Atleast with
crazy people, you know to watch your back! My web page, new
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Knightrain
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posted January 30, 2003 11:25 AM
Maybe it
was just me... Did anyone else think that Egwene was planning
on making Cuendillar armor for an assault on Tar Valon? Was a
little disappointed with the chain thing... even though, in
retrospect, it was a good idea.
And, RJ... why do you
hate Perrin?! Cut the poor guy some slack, for Light's sake!
Between Faile being missing and Berelain circling like a
buzzard, as well as Masema, Shaido, Darkhounds, AND Seanchean
looking to skewer him, did we REALLY have to add the whole
"weevils 'n' ghosts" angle in So Harbor? Please, RJ, resolve
one or two problems before you start adding more. I beg of
you.
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posted January 30, 2003 11:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Knightrain: <snip
...> did we REALLY have to add the whole "weevils 'n'
ghosts" angle in So Harbor? Please, RJ, resolve one or two
problems before you start adding more. I beg of
you.
I agree; I think the time has come for some resolutions
to occur...but I'm not a highly successful author with people
the world over hanging on my every (long-winded) word.
I think the "weevils 'n' ghosts" angle is
important. It represents the approach of Tarmon Gai'don.
Ghosts and spirits roaming the land has always been a
sign that a cataclysmic last battle is drawing nigh.
Just wait until the actual Last Battle -- I think all
kinds of dead warriors (not just the Heroes of the Horn) will
be re-fighting their last battle, but this time it's the real
battle against the Dark One; the battles they fought and died
in hundreds of years ago were metaphysical "shadows" of the
battle against the Dark One, and now they're there for the
real thing. This is a Ragnarok-type event, where everyone who
has ever fought and died for the Light returns to face the
Dark One and his minions. And over them all will be Rand
facing a Shai'tan-empowered Moridin, sword of fire against
staff of lightlessness. One Power against True
Power.
:drinks deeply from a stoup of ale and burps
loudly:
Yeah.
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posted January 30, 2003 12:08 PM
I have to
agree though, Perrin is really taking a beating. ![[Big Grin]](Wizards_Com Boards Crossroads MAJOR SPOILERS disscussion (3)_fichiers/biggrin.gif)
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crime, so you're free to go. Normal people frighten me.
I've never heard of freinds or relatives of serial killers
saying, "He was crazy, I knew he was going to snap sooner or
later and start killing people". They always seem to say, "He
was such a nice normal young man", etc. Atleast with
crazy people, you know to watch your back! My web page, new
& improved: http://geocities.com/aleshandre@sbcglobal.net/
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posted January 30, 2003 01:52 PM
Well not to
beat a dead horse, though the book felt as though it was
trying to at times, but this is not one of my favorites in the
series. I have to agree with the earlier statement that most
of what happened could have been summarized in a few chapters
rather then spending an entire book. Do we really need 6 or 8
chapters on Elayne talking about what she has been talking
about for two books now?
Anyways, moving on...my
thoughts on who betrayed Egwene...Halima. Halima was obviously
the one killing the Aes Sedai and most likely Nichola. They
were all working on the Cuendillar project and perhaps knew
things that Halima was able to get from them before killing
them. Also one thing that bugs me here...everyone keeps saying
to Egwene that they do not trust or like Halima, yet Egwene
doesnt listen. Are you telling me you would trust someone who
can cure a headache that Aes Sedai can't?
Madness.
Tuon...well the rumor of the girl in Ebou Dar
was simply a rumor. Perhaps planted by someone to get someone
else killed. From the conversation it sounded like neither
believed it to be truth. I myself wondered if Tuon could be
back in Ebou Dar so quickly. For some reason I feel that
Suroth is trying to lie. Maybe not though.
Perrin
abandoned his axe? What? Why? Okay Goldeneyes, have fun
fighting Trollocs in the last battle with your fists.
Anyways, mediocre book. Sadly RJ seems to think he
can't stretch out the series and fill each book with
interesting happenings. He'd rather spend 200 plus pages
telling us about how someone's dress looks in any shade of
light.
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posted January 30, 2003 05:26 PM
Perrin has
a Smith's Hammer remember. He ditched the Axe because he used
it so readily to cleave off the Algai'd'siswai's hand. He was
scared that he might be loving it. So he buried the head in a
tree.
Deep down Perrin sees himself using a Smith's
Hammer, not an Axe. Remember when Faile was stuck in the Dream
World, the Wolf Dream gave him a hammer when he needed a
weapon to break the chains (an axe would've been just as
effective).
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posted January 31, 2003 11:59 AM
Okay, I
agree, I principle, that the "weevils 'n' ghost" were
necessary to illustrate that Tarmon Gai'don (sp.) was on it's
way... but isn't there ANYONE else that it could have happened
to? C'mon, anyone with a "force of arms" that they needed to
feed could have gone to So Harbor instead of Perrin. Heck, it
would have been just as effective if Egwene (even though
Egwene was quite a bit on her plate, as well) or Mat had been
in that scene instead of
Perrin
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posted February 03, 2003 12:07 PM
Okay,
coming late to this discussion, but a few
responses/thoughts:
1. Halima seems the likeliest to
have revealed Egwene's plot, esp. since she was absent when
Egwene left. However, I don't think she would have knowingly
devlivered Egw. into her captor's hands. Egw. was too valuable
a tool for Halima to give up -- she must be aggravated that
she no longer has access to her.
2. It seems obvious
that SOMETHING is up w/ Sheriam, and more specifically that
something is being DONE to her. It seems likely this is
Halima's doing as well.
3. As for Suroth's msg to Rand
about truce-making, from the way it's written, it seems clear
to me that these are events that are in the future...in other
words, not at the same time as Egw.'s capture and Mat's
killing of the sul'dam. So theorhetically, Tuon could be back
at that time.
And finally, a question: Why was Egw.
turning that chain into cuellindar? I don't see the purpose,
or how that would benefit her forces. Esp. not enough to risk
capture like that. Maybe I'm just missing something.
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posted February 03, 2003 12:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Selindra: Okay,
coming late to this discussion, but a few
responses/thoughts:
1. Halima seems the likeliest to
have revealed Egwene's plot, esp. since she was absent when
Egwene left. However, I don't think she would have knowingly
devlivered Egw. into her captor's hands. Egw. was too
valuable a tool for Halima to give up -- she must be
aggravated that she no longer has access to
her.
(emphasis mine) Which, I think, is a good enough
reason for it not to be Halima who did
it.
quote:
2. It seems obvious that SOMETHING is up
w/ Sheriam, and more specifically that something is being
DONE to her. It seems likely this is Halima's doing as
well.
This seems more plausible to me. We've known for
multiple books now that Sheriam is being tortured for
information by -someone-. (I tend to doubt Halima is behind
this as well) Sheriam is the Keeper, if only in name, and she
has intimate details on at least some of Egwene's planning.
Everyone in the Hall knew of Egwene's plan for the cuendillar
chain, Sheriam would have also.
quote:
3. As
for Suroth's msg to Rand about truce-making, from the way
it's written, it seems clear to me that these are events
that are in the future...in other words, not at the same
time as Egw.'s capture and Mat's killing of the sul'dam. So
theorhetically, Tuon could be back at that
time.
I'd have to read this section again, but I don't recall
either way. But given that it's Suroth, it would be an
excellent trap. The sad bracelets have been waiting for
a couple of books now.
quote:
And
finally, a question: Why was Egw. turning that chain into
cuellindar? I don't see the purpose, or how that would
benefit her forces. Esp. not enough to risk capture like
that. Maybe I'm just missing something.
The chain and all of its links fused together when she,
and Leane presumably, turned the chain to cuendillar. In this
way, the chain cannot be lowered to let ships enter and exit
Tar Valon's ports. She has effectively blockadded the island
without unnecessary bloodshed. Granted, she should have left
other sisters, or novices, to do the weaving...by letting her
guilt get to her, she openned herself up for
capture.
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posted February 05, 2003 11:35 AM
Alright.
Let me drop in my two coppers on this one. I just finished the
book last night and I have to say my first repsonse was Anger.
I thought we were past all the cliffhanger bullschtuff when we
got to Winter's Heart. The cleansing of the Taint was actually
a Climax. Granted, there was little time for denoument (which
is what the first 2/3 of this book seemed to be, mixed in with
further complications), but there was an ending, a rising
action, a confrontation, and a conclusion. I loved Winter's
Heart because I thought the books were picking up steam for
the final push to the end, the Third Act if you will. However,
this book just proved that we will have a long way to wait. RJ
can obviously speed things up, as the last 4 or 5 pages
clearly showed, he chooses not to because he must imagine some
relevance to the clothing choices of everyone.
One more
thing, then I swear I will not rant and get to discussion.
That is this, in an interview, RJ said he tries to write a
1500 page book and has to cut it down. Only, he appears to
have just cut off the last half of the book. At this rate,
we'll finish with the wheel at book 14 or 16, not 12 as we
hope.
Okay I'm done ranting. Now to
business.
There are too many possibilities for
Darkfriends to specifically say who betrayed Egwene. There are
even hints that nearly the entire Hall in both towers could be
infested with Black as I'm still not sure what the deal is
with who chose who to be in the hall. Halima may have had
something to do with it, by killing off the cuendillar
producers, or she/he may have simply feared the ability to
reseal the Dark One's prison. A friend of mine has a theory
that when a male channeler makes cuendillar it turns out
black, rather than white, and when they combine, you get neat
little black and white disks.
I think the ghosts thing
is important, but not quite connected to the weevils bit. I
think the weevils is yet another of the Dark One's touch, like
the long winter and the uber-long summer. The ghosts, however,
seem to have a nexus point, somewhere in Murandy or Altara.
This might even be a result of Shadar Logoth being "destroyed"
and mashadar being scattered over the world. So Harbor
certainly seems to be running the risk of becoming another
Shadar Logoth. Perhaps Fain has plans in Murandy after leaving
Far Madding?
Nicely, everyone seems to be laying plans
to unify with the Return, what with the Rand trap, Perrin, Mat
(obviously ) and Egwene's dream.
So we know that won't
happen for a while, because it would require too many people
to compare notes and that's not something they do. I'd hope
that Perrin has enough information to out Suroth as a
Darkfriend, but that won't get to Rand in time anyway. I don't
think the Rand thing was that far in the future.
As far
as my favorite character, Mat, I see the ceremony as not
complete yet. The dance goes on for a while and she won't
complete the ceremony until it becomes a plot issue. Something
like him being captured by Seanchan, perhaps by her rogue
Deathwatch Guardsman, and she has to order him to let her
"husband" go, saying it three times in the course of the
conversation.
Predictions for next book: Weevils will
infest the grain Elayne has, forcing her hand on the siege.
The Stone of Tear will then become a bigger issue and someone
will begin to deal with that, though probably not one of the
original Two Rivers people, maybe Elayne and some of the Wise
Ones and/or Sea Folk. The current keeper in the Tower (I
forget her name) will take over as Egwene's keeper when
Sheriam is relieved of her duties. That last one may not be in
the next book, but we may see the seeds of it. Gawyn will have
to recue Egwene (and he's undoubtedly the leader of the
raiders from the other shore). He will team up with Gareth
Bryne. Again, this last bit is wishful thinking, but I think
it combines with the dreams where he either rescues her or
kills her.
All this is far out conjecture and I don't
pretend to be as knowledgable about the books having only read
each of them once. I'd appreciate a senior WotManiac or
someone coming out and dropping some serious
science.
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posted February 05, 2003 12:32 PM
Here's what
will happen in the next book:
The Seanchean girl will
blast Rand and a voice will say, "I win again, Lews Therin!"
At which point...
BLINK!!!
Rand comes to next to
the Portal Stone in Falme. Verin starts to give him crap about
it taking months to get there. Rand yells, "That's IT!!" then
gates to Tear, casually BFs Be'lal, and grabs Callendor. He
gates back to Falme and dices the High Lord guy (I can't
remember his name) and grabs the Horn. He hands it to Mat. Mat
blows the Horn and battle ensues. Balzamon/Ishy appears and
Rand casually BFs him. He then does the lightning thing he did
in Tear in tSR and again in Caymlen(sp.) in tFoH and fries
every Seanchean in Falme. He then gates Mat, Egwene, Nynaeve,
Min and all the rest back to the White Tower. Lanfear and
Messana try to take him together and he casually BFs them
both. HE gates to Tear and takes command. He gates to Cairhain
and takes command. He gates to Illian, casually BFs Sammael,
and takes command. He gates to Rhuidien and gets marked as He
Who Comes With the Dawn. He then uses his chain lightning
trick to fry all the Shaido. Finally, he gates to the Blight
and fries all the Shadowspawn with the chain lightning. The
surviving Forsaken show up to try to stop him and he zaps them
out of the Pattern.
Quick book. Lotsa
action.
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brains... I rather wish I had some myself." -W.S.
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posted February 05, 2003 02:57 PM
Gotta love
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posted February 05, 2003 03:01 PM
One more
thing. The "mint" flavored honey really bothered me in the
final chapter of CoT. We are told specifically about the minty
taste to forkroot tea, and the tea became kind of an issue.
What if the tea itself was forkrooted as an attempt to preempt
Egwene's plans? I don't remember if she drank from it or not
or if she honeyed her tea if she did. We know that one of the
key sitters (I can't remember who) brought the tea to her lips
but did not sip it.
I think it highly likely that the
Sitters were split on trying to deal with the plan, even stop
it. And I don't think that it's definite that the sisters on
the wall were darkfriends, now that I think about it.
Something struck the boat and Egwene, but it could have been a
rock and the sisters embraced saidar to lift her out of the
water afterwords and possibly to form a shield.
Just
throwing it out there. My only point is about the emphasis on
the "mint" flavored honey.
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always, I cower in ignorance, awaiting a response.
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posted February 07, 2003 10:34 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Freya:
quote:
Originally posted by Selindra: Okay,
coming late to this discussion, but a few
responses/thoughts:
1. Halima seems the likeliest
to have revealed Egwene's plot, esp. since she was absent
when Egwene left. However, I don't think she would have
knowingly devlivered Egw. into her captor's hands. Egw.
was too valuable a tool for Halima to give up -- she must
be aggravated that she no longer has access to
her.
(emphasis mine) Which, I think, is a good enough
reason for it not to be Halima who did
it.
But remember, nobody knew Egwene was the one who was
going to do it except SS, and even she didn't know until the
last minute. Halima has been killing off all the
cuellindar-makers, which strongly suggests she doesn't want
this plan to go forward. Since H hasn't interfered in any
serious way w/ any of Egwene's other plans, I don't think
she'd go to all this trouble if she were just trying to
aggravate Egw. Thus, she must very specifically not want that
chain cuellindarized.
So it still seems likely to me it
was Halima who betrayed the plan, but not knowingly betrayed
Egw. Halima had no way of knowing Egw. was going to be there;
the plan was for it to be Bode.
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posted March 12, 2003 04:42 PM
Just a note
about Perrin and his axe and hammer. Does anyone else remember
Verin mummering something during the battle at the Two Rivers,
about how Perrin has not yet changed to his hammer? I was just
wondering if that might be a part of the Propheices, because
how else would she know about the whole axe and hammer thing.
Only other person who had ever talked about it with Perrin was
Eylas.
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