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The Great Gray
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posted February 17, 2003 08:26 AM
quote:
Originally posted by SonoftheNineMoons: I
agree with you that the evidence from the books does not
support Mazrim Taim being Demandred. However, your reliance
on these e-mails to support your theory is circumstantial at
best and insulting at worst. I would suggest you post more
reliable sources in the future.
You, again, have no idea what rasfwr-j is,
obviously.
We wrote the FAQ on WoT. Literally. Teresa and Patrick Nielsen Hayden
post there. A significant portion of the regulars have been
there since the group was formed in mid '95, and many long
before that when the discussions were on rec.arts.sf.written.
Many of us know each other IRL and have close friendships
because of the group.
These are not e-mails. They are
independantly corroborated reports of public RJ signing
sessions. We've had people try to fake signing reports before,
and always debunked them. This is as close to RJ journalism as
you're going to get.
Your calling these "e-mails" is
insulting at least, and ignorant at best.
HTH. HAND.
DLTDHYAOTWO.
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aleshandre
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posted February 17, 2003 08:56 AM
Even if
they were Emails, why would several people want to make a
statement like that, knowing that they will be caught in the
lie by the end of the books at latest and by Skwind's team at
any given time earlier? I personally don't think a true
WoT fan would do it. It's quite different to belive
whole-heartedly an incorrect theory as opposed to lying about
something RJ "actually said".
On another note, I had no
intention of being offensive with my last post reguarding the
Taimandred theory and I appear to be corrected on a point
which I appearently misread , that's something I don't usually do. That being
said, Taimandred still has no corraberating
evidence. Further, these statements by multiple sources on the
subject show clearly that Taim and Demandred are not
the same person. ![[Wink]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (3)_fichiers/wink.gif)
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I've never heard of freinds or relatives of serial killers
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later and start killing people". They always seem to say, "He
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SonoftheNineMoons Member Member
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posted February 17, 2003 09:34 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by aleshandre: [QB]Even if
they were Emails, why would several people want to make a
statement like that, knowing that they will be caught in the
lie by the end of the books at latest and by Skwind's team at
any given time earlier? I personally don't think a true
WoT fan would do it. It's quite different to belive
whole-heartedly an incorrect theory as opposed to lying about
something RJ "actually said".
That’s exactly my point.
Thank you.
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drothgery
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posted February 17, 2003 10:02 AM
quote:
Originally posted by aleshandre: Even if
they were Emails, why would several people want to make a
statement like that, knowing that they will be caught in the
lie by the end of the books at latest and by Skwind's team
at any given time earlier?
Rasfwr-j (and the JORDAN: threads on rasfw which led to
rasfwr-j being formed) predates Skwid's participation there
(and mine) by years.
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Selindra
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posted February 17, 2003 11:16 AM
quote:
Originally posted by
jwanderer5: Interesting......In the other thread
on this board that's discussing CoT and Perrin getting Faile
back, one of the possiblities that came up, is that he goes
into the camp as a blacksmith. Also he could take in Aram as
a Tinker, since he still wears Tinkers clothes. But to pull
that off he needs to have Aram leave his sword behind. I
could see that as definatly being the last straw for
Aram.
Whether Perrin is a blacksmith or not, he's still not
Aiel. I don't care if he's wearing a leather blacksmith apron,
carrying a blacksmith hammer in one hand and an anvil in the
other, the Aiel (especially the Shaido) would still
kill or capture him on sight. It's not like the Aiel regard
blacksmiths as the Creator...they just respect them. They
respect Aiel blacksmiths, that is, and even that
doesn't let them do whatever they want w/in Aiel
society.
As for Tinkers, we know they let them cross
the waste, but they avoid them like the plague. They aren't
soon letting a Tinker into their camp.
Perrin and Aram
would be dead as soon as they took one step into the camp.
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Dave Shramek
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posted February 17, 2003 11:35 AM
True.
Shaido ruining proud traditions are one thing. But, I think
you underestimate the importance of Blacksmiths. You don't
take blacksmiths is the same level of prohibition as not
taking Wise Ones. Even the Shaido are likely to respect that.
Tinkers, they keep their distance from, and many respect them
as a lost tribe, but only the chiefs no why and since the
Shaido don't have a chief, they aren't likely to remember why
they need to keep that part of the bargain.
Let's also
not forget the Brotherless. It is likely that the Shaido
wouldn't be likely to take a blacksmith or a Tinker with the
Brotherless there to try and force some ji'e'toh onto them. I
think this whole thing is vitally important to Perrin. I don't
believe they have enough Seanchan at the end of CoT to take on
the tens if not hundreds of thousands of Shaido in that
camp.
-------------------- As always, I cower in
ignorance, awaiting a response.
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The Great Gray
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posted February 17, 2003 12:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by drothgery:
quote:
Originally posted by aleshandre: Even if
they were Emails, why would several people want to make a
statement like that, knowing that they will be caught in
the lie by the end of the books at latest and by Skwind's
team at any given time earlier?
Rasfwr-j (and the JORDAN: threads on rasfw which led
to rasfwr-j being formed) predates Skwid's participation
there (and mine) by years.
Indeed, I don't think it would be fair to term rasfwr-j
as "Skwid's team" in any way, shape, or form. I am a minor
player there (although, the group itself had only been around
for about 7 or 8 months when I started reading, the JORDAN
threads go back for years prior to that), and certainly never
meant to imply anything more.
[ February 17,
2003, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: The Great Gray Skwid
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JakoShadows
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posted February 17, 2003 01:32 PM
Ok, I don't
even know where to begin:
1. They are on the net. That
right there brings anything said into question. You mean to
tell me everything printed on the net is absolutely true and
nothing has ever been hosted.
2. They are emails and
basically as valid as anything I or anyone else chose to
post. I don't care who wrote the FAQ or why... it's just a
list of coffee talk opinions - some good and some bad by a
group of friends.
So, get off your high horse... even
the FAQ says you're only 1/3 right and you're getting upset
when someone questions its authority.
That's sad.
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JakoShadows
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posted February 17, 2003 01:34 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JakoShadows: [QB]Ok, I
don't even know where to begin:
1. They are on the net.
That right there brings anything said into question. You mean
to tell me everything printed on the net is absolutely true
and nothing has ever been hosted. [QB]
Hoaxed that
is... heh
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Selindra
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posted February 17, 2003 04:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Shramek: True.
Shaido ruining proud traditions are one thing. But, I think
you underestimate the importance of Blacksmiths. You don't
take blacksmiths is the same level of prohibition as not
taking Wise Ones.
Yes, I'd agree w/ you that Wise Ones and blacksmiths
are probably about on equal footing in certain respects w/
even the Shaido.
However, there are two points that I
think make this argument irrelevant (though not
incorrect):
1. Even though WO and blacksmiths can't be
taken gai'shan or be engaged in battle, they are still subject
to the law. I don't think a WO, and especially not a
blacksmith, could just take whichever gai'shan they chose and
do anything they wanted w/ them (such as set them free.)
Especially since Faile and co. are Sevanna's gai'shan,
who, shall we say, is mildly possessive. Any blacksmith would unquestionably feel Sevanna's
wrath if he tried to take her gai'shan.
2. This is the
more obvious one: Perrin and Aram are not Aiel. Therefore,
they get no inherent respect or special consideration
from the Aiel. Only if they were peddlers or gleemen would
they maybe get a modicom of respect, but even then they
would get nowhere near being able to rescue/remove gai'shan.
They're still wetlanders. The Shaido may or may not kill Aram,
seeing as how he's a tinker, but Perrin dies or is captured
the mintue they see him. I doubt he is saved just because he
calls out "Wait, I'm a blacksmith!"
I just see no way
either of them is allowed to even hang out in the Shaido camp,
let alone be given any chance to rescue Faile once there.
Maybe they can sneak their way in, but just because Perrin was
once an apprentice blacksmith won't mean anything to the Aiel.
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Lord Schpungus
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posted February 17, 2003 05:11 PM
One word:
Ta'veren.
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aleshandre
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posted February 17, 2003 05:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gray
Skwid: Indeed, I don't think it would be fair to
term rasfwr-j as "Skwid's team" in any way, shape, or form.
I am a minor player there (although, the group itself had
only been around for about 7 or 8 months when I started
reading, the JORDAN threads go back for years prior to
that), and certainly never meant to imply anything
more.
I didn't mean to imply ownership of the group. I used
the form to indicate participation, which while accurate in
the sense of participation obviously caused misunderstanding
with the dual meaning which can also be taken as a statement
of ownership.
Skwind,(gee, I noticed that I addressed
the wrong person as well as misspelling the name. I meant to
address Jak here ) You seem to be defensive here. You are not
being attacked. The point of these opposing posts is to try to
persuade, not attack. There is infact a lot of information
on the internet that is false; however, this does not change
the fact that as Skwind pointed out, many of them know each
other in real life, and that the group debunks the false
claims as readily as they put forward verifiable claims. The
nature of such a group is - if not above suspicion, atleast
above reproach. ![[Wink]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (3)_fichiers/wink.gif)
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-------------------- Stupidity is not a
crime, so you're free to go. Normal people frighten me.
I've never heard of freinds or relatives of serial killers
saying, "He was crazy, I knew he was going to snap sooner or
later and start killing people". They always seem to say, "He
was such a nice normal young man", etc. Atleast with
crazy people, you know to watch your back! My web page, new
& improved: http://geocities.com/aleshandre@sbcglobal.net/
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Heron_Marked_Blade Member Member
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posted February 17, 2003 08:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JakoShadows: Ok, I
don't even know where to begin:
1. <snip> You
mean to tell me everything printed on the net is absolutely
true and nothing has ever been
[hoaxed].
<snip>
So, get off your high
horse... even the FAQ says you're only 1/3 right and you're
getting upset when someone questions its
authority.
That's sad.
Sigh. So much anger. Can't we all just get
along?
/steps onto his soapbox.
Seriously,
though, ladies and gentlemen: I understand disagreements in
opinion; I understand anger at opinions that differ from mine;
I understand the desire to cut the proponent of that different
opinion down to a size better suited to his/her "obviously and
insensibly wrong" point of view.
But could we be adult
about this? Can we understand that for some people there will
never be enough evidence to change their
minds to "our" way of thinking, and let it go at that? Let's
keep our posts 1) relevant, 2) polite, and 3) clear of
references to our opponent's lack of intelligence or common
sense or any insinuations to that effect.
When things
get ugly, the boards become a much less appealing place to be,
and none of us have the right to make the boards an
unattractive place for others.
/bows to the assembled
masses (see below) and steps off of his soapbox.
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The Great Gray
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posted February 17, 2003 08:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JakoShadows: 2. They
are emails and basically as valid as anything I or anyone
else chose to post.
As I said, insulting at worst and ignorant at best.
Dissapointing. Is it something in the avatar?
I
particularly love the absurdity of the contextless application
of the "1/3 right" quote.
Aleshandre, nice sentiments, but I am
curious how that "n" got in my
name...
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SonoftheNineMoons Member Member
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posted February 18, 2003 06:40 AM
I guess I
have to apologize to you Skwid or should I say Mr. Robert
Jordan. I didn't realize that you had to taken on a pseudonym
to converse with your fans.
Pride cometh before the
fall.
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The Great Gray
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posted February 18, 2003 07:23 AM
quote:
Originally posted by
SonoftheNineMoons: Pride cometh before the
fall.
Didn't you know I'm the humblest? ![[Roll Eyes]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (3)_fichiers/rolleyes.gif)
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aleshandre
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posted February 18, 2003 07:28 AM
OOPS! I misread the name! How stupid does that
make me? Really, if the saying is true that the smarter you
are, the dumber the mistakes you make are, then I'm a FREAKIN'
GENIOUS!! ![[ROFL]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (3)_fichiers/roflmao.gif)
-------------------- Stupidity is not a
crime, so you're free to go. Normal people frighten me.
I've never heard of freinds or relatives of serial killers
saying, "He was crazy, I knew he was going to snap sooner or
later and start killing people". They always seem to say, "He
was such a nice normal young man", etc. Atleast with
crazy people, you know to watch your back! My web page, new
& improved: http://geocities.com/aleshandre@sbcglobal.net/
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drothgery
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posted February 18, 2003 01:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gray
Skwid:
quote:
Originally posted by
SonoftheNineMoons: Pride cometh before the
fall.
Didn't you know I'm the humblest?
Just because Novak doesn't hang out here doesn't mean
you can go stealing his titles ![[Wink]](Wizards_Com Boards Interesting changes in plot as of CoT (3)_fichiers/wink.gif)
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The Great Gray
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posted February 18, 2003 01:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by drothgery:
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gray
Skwid:
quote:
Originally posted by
SonoftheNineMoons: Pride cometh before the
fall.
Didn't you know I'm the humblest?
Just because Novak doesn't hang out here doesn't mean
you can go stealing his titles
Heh. Humblest Mollusk is mine by rights, I
think.
Besides. I'm his right hand man. He said so when
I fetched him a Diet
Pepsi.
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posted February 18, 2003 11:12 PM
.... Was
that a 12 oz can or a 2 liter
bottle?
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The Great Gray
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posted February 19, 2003 10:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by JosephKell: .... Was
that a 12 oz can or a 2 liter bottle?
12 oz. can. It was out on a snowy porch in the depths
of an Indiana winter, though, just for
context.
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Lord Schpungus
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posted February 19, 2003 11:06 AM
An Indiana
winter? Meh. You want something with real bite, not some
eastern state locked away who knows where. Change it to a
North Dakotan winter and it's golden.
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posted February 19, 2003 12:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gray
Skwid:
quote:
Originally posted by JosephKell: ....
Was that a 12 oz can or a 2 liter bottle?
12 oz. can. It was out on a snowy porch in the depths
of an Indiana winter, though, just for
context.
Was this before or after someone carved a Dragon's Fang
in the snow on top of my
car?
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jwanderer5
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posted February 19, 2003 05:24 PM
Why should
the Aiel kill Perrin, because he's not Aiel? They let the
blacksmiths go with the old and young in the town they just
captured.
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The Great Gray
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posted February 20, 2003 06:26 AM
quote:
Originally posted by drothgery:
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gray Skwid: 12
oz. can. It was out on a snowy porch in the depths of an
Indiana winter, though, just for context.
Was this before or after someone carved a Dragon's
Fang in the snow on top of my car?[/QB]
Hmmm...after, I think. I'm not sure,
though.
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