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Arr MiHardies
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posted August 20, 2002 04:36 PM      Profile for Arr MiHardies   Email Arr MiHardies    Edit/Delete Post
When a character attempts to release the source, make a will save dc 15+addiction level. failure adds 1 to the addiction level for every 5 the dc was missed by, rounded down, success subtracts 1 from the addiction level for every 5 rounded down.

Failure on this save indicates the character wasnt able to let go of the source, and must wait one round to try again. In addition, failure burns 1 weave slot, starting with the highest and working down to 0 level. In addition, If a character has 0 weave slots left, make a standard overchanneling check as if they were trying to cast a 0 level weave with 0 slots left. If the character continues to fail to release the source, increase the overchanneling attempt by 1 each time. If the character fails to make an overchanneling fort save in this manner, subtract from the addiction level the same amount of points as imposed by the penalty gained by failing that fort save.

This system takes into account higher level channers and prestige classes because they will have higher will saves, and thus more likely to succede in the inital will saves, and lower their addiction level if the save succeedes well enough.

This method allows the temptation of channeling to be dangerous early on, but slowly becomes less and less of a factor as the character gets a higher will bonus.

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posted August 20, 2002 05:21 PM      Profile for Grayswandir_Blade   Email Grayswandir_Blade    Edit/Delete Post
Sounds good! The disads were just an eye-opener, though. Lose the *highest* weave slot? Bump OC by one for each failure? I'd actually suggest taking those out...make it so as they fail, that's their character wanting to hold onto the power some more. In the novels, it wasn't really *holding* onto the power for a few rounds that burned stamina (thus burned slots), but more the weaving itself. So, just because they hold the power, it doesn't mean that slots are burned. What it does mean, however, is that there's the danger of burning out. Once the addiction is high enough (15+) have them make a Fort save against it when they find themselves wanting to draw more power; if they make it, they can try to un-embrace next round. If they don't, it's overchanneling chart for 'em [Big Grin]

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Arr MiHardies
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posted August 20, 2002 05:40 PM      Profile for Arr MiHardies   Email Arr MiHardies    Edit/Delete Post
The character can choose to use a weave the same level they are aroubt to burn on a fail in exchange for losing a spell slot. Either way, they burn a slot, but one way actually puts it to some use.

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posted August 20, 2002 06:18 PM      Profile for Grayswandir_Blade   Email Grayswandir_Blade    Edit/Delete Post
Well, the problem is that I don't feel like it really represents what addiction *does.* If you hold the source, you're not burning stamina (and you *certainly* don't burn your biggest slot in a single round merely by enjoying the source). The problem here is mental, just savoring those last few moments with the Power and not wanting to let it go. As such, the slot system (and indeed, even the pool system) represents a channeler getting fatigued and not able to use any more weaves due to exhaustion--or the mental equivalent. I just feel that burning spell slots is not the right representative for that. Otherwise, I love the idea and mechanic.

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Arr MiHardies
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posted August 20, 2002 07:04 PM      Profile for Arr MiHardies   Email Arr MiHardies    Edit/Delete Post
Alright then, what would you suggest happen when a person fails said weave save?

My system represents the danger of channeling without supervision to the novice by letting them get addicted and burn themselves out.

Granted, this would be better if people could just role play this, but sadly, many people can not/ will not / conveniently "forget"/ or honestly forget to play this. So to represent it, there must be in game ramifications that the players can notice. The burning of weave slots represents the feeling of loss when one struggles with onesself to let go of something they do not want to let go out. The character is fighting the One Power, using some of their ability to do it.

All my previous attempts at an addiction mechanic invloved extra rolls whenever weaves were cast, but people complained about having to roll so often, even though i thought it was a more accurate system. Ill post the one i came up with just prior to this and after my first shortly i suppose, so people can see.

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or a little street sweeper...
but sooner or later...
you dance with the reaper...
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posted August 20, 2002 07:23 PM      Profile for Grayswandir_Blade   Email Grayswandir_Blade    Edit/Delete Post
Okay, okay, I think some backing up on my part is in order. [Wink] I think we're talking about two different definitions of addiction.

You: the newness/awe of the Power upon learning how to use it, where in a spur-of-the-moment event they may enjoy it, pull in more, more, and more, until they go so painfully far that they burn out. Is that correct?

Me: the long-term nicotine-like effects of the Power, where even a veteran may be tempted to embrace too much, go too far, just for the thrill and feeling of vitality they get while embraced.

Almost the same thing, but the first is more impulsive, the latter more gradual. If you want something to represent novices or wilders who don't have the mental conditioning and training to resist the Power's draw, then yes, scrap my idea and go with yours; a madness-like mechanic wouldn't work. What I thought you were trying to do was replicate a mechanic that would be a threat on all levels of experience.

Either way, I still maintain that burning slots shouldn't be a part of it...it's a psychological struggle, yes, but that doesn't mean that they get fatigued trying to stop enjoying something. Instead, scrap weave slots and incorporate the overchanneling chart in *some* way. That's a more accurate representation of what they end up doing to themselves. [Wink]

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