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aleshandre
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posted February 12, 2003 10:51 AM
quote:
Originally posted by drothgery: Taim isn't
Demandred.
In the first place, Jordan has
definitively said that he isn't in post-CoT signing
reports. .
Now who are you Taimandred supporters going to believe?
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JakoShadows
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posted February 12, 2003 11:15 AM
I'd like to
see the quote from RJ where he flat out said Taim is not
Demandred.
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JakoShadows
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posted February 12, 2003 11:24 AM
THIS WAS
TAKEN FROM DRAGONMOUNT "3. How accurate is the information
in the WoT RPG? For instance, it says that Taim was captured
by Black Ajah. In your books, though, you seem to leave this
issue open to debate. Does your official approval of the game
extend to its plot interpretations?" Interviewer to RJ
"I didn't consult with them on interpretations at all,
really. I was trying to let them set up situations where the
game could be played parallel to to the story arc, or perhaps
outside it. I did try to find anything that contradicted the
books, or what I intended in future books, and I caught a few
errors when going over their galley proofs. I would have asked
them to remove this, had I caught it." - RJ
Ok, so that
stuff in PotD is really irrelevant for any discussion of
whether Taim is Demandred or not.
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The Great Gray
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posted February 12, 2003 01:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JakoShadows: I'd like
to see the quote from RJ where he flat out said Taim is not
Demandred.
How about this, then: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Xs2W9.16302%24i73.3424077%40twister.neo.rr.com
quote:
Q: Have
we yet seen the alter-ego Demandred presents to the
Third Agers on-screen? A: NO. (I asked twice to make
sure.)
That's been confirmed as having been asked and answered
at that sighting by at least two other people,
IIRC.
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JakoShadows
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posted February 12, 2003 01:40 PM
Still just
hearsay....
We shall see...
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Dave Shramek
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posted February 12, 2003 01:44 PM
I've only recently run into the Taimandred
stuff, when I was boning up on my WoT for the new book, but
really. People are so certain.
I do like the fact that
he's a new Demandred. We off Demandred, but Taim gets
away and forms some new Forsaken with some Black Ajah and some
if not all of the 20 Asha'man he's got under his
wing.
"The Last Battle done, but the world not done
with battle." or something.
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JosephKell
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posted February 12, 2003 02:01 PM
Taim wants
to be the Top Dog, he will leave the Black Tower with his
Channelers if Rand chases him off. But he won't give up the
hundreds of men there unless he has no choice. Even if they
are mostly loyal to the memory of the Dragon through the
M'Hael's teachings, he a legend comes to kick their teacher to
the curb, they will side with the Legend, except those that
will die because of their association with Taim.
For a
while I was thinking that maybe Demandred has a reborn version
of himself, Taim, even though Demandred is still alive. But
that wouldn't make sense.
Taim would have to be
despriate to go to the Dark One if he isn't already a
Darkfriend. Remember there is a Darkfriend GUARDING Rand to
make sure he reaches the Final battle, "How can the Dark One
defeat the Dragon if he isn't at Tarmon Gaimon?" Granted she
may just be there because she thinks it is the right thing to
do, but you never know (This is a Black Ajah I
believe).
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posted February 12, 2003 02:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JakoShadows: Still
just hearsay....
We shall see...
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JosephKell
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posted February 12, 2003 02:54 PM
Reminds me
of the 4th Class Creation Commandment... "You don't have to
use it." is the most commonly used excuse for unbalanced
material. Everyone knows they don't have to use
something.
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JakoShadows
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posted February 13, 2003 08:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by
Heron_Marked_Blade:
quote:
Originally posted by JakoShadows: Still
just hearsay....
We shall see...
LOL. "Still just hearsay..." That's great.
Hey, that's like me saying yeah a friend of my friend's
friend was at a book signing and RJ said that Bela was the
Creator. Basing any argument on what got posted on a
messageboard or usenet is completely laughable.
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aleshandre
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posted February 13, 2003 09:00 AM
Basing an
iron grip belief on a theory that has no real concrete
evidence to suport it and LOTS of concrete evidence to detract
from it is even more laughable.
example in WH during
the battle at the cleansing, Osangar/Daishiva's PoV said out
right that he was tired of masquerading as Daishiva.
Demandred's PoV said nothing about masquerading as Taim.
Further, the conflicting orders of Taim and Demandred. Taim's
orders "Kill him", Demandred's orders, "Kill him if you must,
but above all, bring me everything he has in his possesion."
If Taim was Demandred, why would he give them different
instructions? Further, all of the Forsaken who are directly
giving orders to the Darkfreinds make certain that the
Darkfreinds know who they are, so that there is no mistake or
argument. Why would Demandred do any differently, when the
outcome can only be that sooner or later he will have to kill
them, because they got tired of taking his orders, when all
they thought he was is a ranking Darkfreind? The idea that
Demandred is Taim stares logic in the face and laughs. It
makes as much sense to look at the sun and deny that it is
light. Even the "Aram is a Darkfreind" theory has more
basis in evidence then the Taimandred
theory.
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jwanderer5
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posted February 13, 2003 11:15 PM
People
think that Aram is a darkfriend?
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JakoShadows
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posted February 14, 2003 06:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by
aleshandre:
example in WH during the battle
at the cleansing, Osangar/Daishiva's PoV said out right that
he was tired of masquerading as Daishiva. Demandred's PoV
said nothing about masquerading as Taim. Further, the
conflicting orders of Taim and Demandred. Taim's orders
"Kill him", Demandred's orders, "Kill him if you must, but
above all, bring me everything he has in his possesion." If
Taim was Demandred, why would he give them different
instructions?
Try reading the books before posting. Taim said kill
him Demandred said kill him Moridin said kill him if you
must but bring his possessions.
Taimendred might have
good reason for his people not to know who he is.... After all
Messanna kept her id hidden from Alviarin...
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JakoShadows
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posted February 14, 2003 06:54 AM
Think the
best discussion up to CoT about this is on the WoT FAQ
site. They discuss and contrast Non-Dark Taim Taim is
Demandred Taim Is a darkfriend
ad naseum... they
give a piece of evidence then show what each theory thinks
about it.
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posted February 14, 2003 07:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by JakoShadows: Try
reading the books before posting.
Is this necessary? Do you really think that people who
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JakoShadows
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posted February 14, 2003 09:35 AM
quote:
Originally posted by aleshandre: Basing an
iron grip belief on a theory that has no real concrete
evidence to suport it and LOTS of concrete evidence to
detract from it is even more laughable.
No, I don't think most people haven't read the books
that post here. Yes, I made a sarcastic comment. Yes,
based on the above I think it was deserved given the 'concrete
evidence' he gave and the way that he said the above quote.
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The Great Gray
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posted February 14, 2003 10:35 AM
quote:
Originally posted by JakoShadows:
quote:
Originally posted by
Heron_Marked_Blade:
quote:
Originally posted by
JakoShadows: Still just hearsay.... We
shall see...
LOL. "Still just hearsay..." That's great.
Hey, that's like me saying yeah a friend of my
friend's friend was at a book signing and RJ said that Bela
was the Creator. Basing any argument on what got posted on a
messageboard or usenet is completely
laughable.
You're completely unfamiliar with rasfwr-j, aren't
you?
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JakoShadows
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posted February 14, 2003 10:50 AM
That's a
classic instance where RJ would say RAFO...
I find
it hard to believe that he would give a direct answer to that
question so you'll forgive me if I question the source.
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JakoShadows
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posted February 14, 2003 11:04 AM
any
more?
I think one more might just convince me...
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The Great Gray
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posted February 14, 2003 11:30 AM
Did you
read through the threads? All of those were the thread starter
articles, there are corroborative reports below
each.
If you really want another one, I'm sure I can
find one.
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posted February 14, 2003 12:27 PM
I agree
with you that the evidence from the books does not support
Mazrim Taim being Demandred. However, your reliance on these
e-mails to support your theory is circumstantial at best and
insulting at worst. I would suggest you post more reliable
sources in the future.
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finnmckool
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posted February 14, 2003 01:45 PM
actually,
aram is destined to snap and turn on Perrin. Egwene saw it in
one of her dreams. and considering aram is becoming more and
more withdrawn and snappish, and perrin can't help but ****
him off at every turn (not on purpose, but obi-wan to anikin
style) Aram probably WILL turn to the dark, or at least betray
Perrin.
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jwanderer5
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posted February 15, 2003 03:22 PM
Interesting......In the other thread on this board
that's discussing CoT and Perrin getting Faile back, one of
the possiblities that came up, is that he goes into the camp
as a blacksmith. Also he could take in Aram as a Tinker, since
he still wears Tinkers clothes. But to pull that off he needs
to have Aram leave his sword behind. I could see that as
definatly being the last straw for Aram.
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posted February 15, 2003 09:30 PM
quote:
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally
posted by
JakoShadows:
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally
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Heron_Marked_Blade:
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see... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LOL.
"Still just hearsay..." That's great.
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Hey,
that's like me saying yeah a friend of my friend's friend
was at a book signing and RJ said that Bela was the Creator.
Basing any argument on what got posted on a messageboard or
usenet is completely
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I just wanted to quote this cuz its so many quotes. It
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