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Sam al'Haran
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posted July 17, 2002 11:07 PM
I don’t
know if this has ever occurred to anybody, but is it possible
that in an alternate world (reached by the Portal Stones) a
different thirteen were bound with the Dark One? So, could
there be a whole different group of Chosen? And is it possible
for those thirteen to enter the world we see? That could cause
a whole bunch of problems. It just suddenly occurred to me
when I was working on a game plot. I was wondering if anyone
thought this was possible. Thanks!
Sam
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phrostphyre
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posted July 18, 2002 04:24 AM
Yes, I'd
say it was possible...
In fact I'd say it was possible for the same
people to be Forsaken and still come through a Portal Stone,
though there could be cosmetic differences in this case I
would say.
And.. If the Forsaken can come through, why
not the DR, or Matt, or a bunch more Seanchan, or more Aiel
etc...
If you allow bad guys to come through, then
you'd have to allow that the heroes of that Portal World could
too. If the PCs found out, they might even seek them out.
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Cutlass
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posted July 18, 2002 11:15 AM
Of course,
the reverse is also true .
One of the ideas that I have had is for
people from other worlds accidentally coming to Randland.
Suppose, for example, Mat spent the night near a portal stone.
And in the morning finds himself trying to explain to an
American Civil War Cavalry trooper why he can't go home.
Imagine the help that such a trooper, who to make things
interesting had been a gunsmith's apprentice before he
volunteered, could provide once he realized he was stuck
there. ![[Big Grin]](Wizards_Com Boards 13 Different Chosen_fichiers/biggrin.gif)
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When
the instructor said: "Ok class, today we're going to practice
swinging across a 10' wide chasm on a rope while holding a
sword in our teeth." I began to get the idea that perhaps this
wasn't the sort of "boarding school" that most other people
went to.
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shining_sword
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posted July 18, 2002 01:16 PM
Wow, you
bring up a good point! This makes it absolutely possible to
import creatures from the Monster Manual, Monsters of Faerun,
or the Creature Collections. Imagine if an ancient red dragon
from any D&D world came across a portal stone into
Randland and made a nasty pact with the forsaken. An
interesting quest for Randlanders could be to explore Shadar
Logoth and find it is now infested with Tanar'ri or Baatezu.
Imagine the things that could come out of the Blight or Aiel
Desert. This just opens up a whole new can of Wyrms... er
[purple]
worms...
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Athos' Shade
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posted July 18, 2002 02:19 PM
...which is
why I don't think it really works that way, honestly...because
if any old person could come wandering in just because they
passed by a portal stone, the world would be used to seeing
unusual things - portal stones really aren't that uncommon.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that, say, Forsaken or the
DR from another world could manage it. But not, say, things
from the monsters manual. Why? Because nothing has suggested
that Portal Stones are usable without some sort of conscious
effort. It's not random like that. Even Rand's first time
required him to channel (though I somehow have the idea that
Lanfear actually sent him then...not sure why I think that,
can't remember, there's no evidence of it in Great Hunt, I
just checked...) ...anyway, I think that it is an idea with
potential, but carefully limited potential. The Civil War
soldier idea is interesting, and I could see maybe justifing
people...but if uber powerful things could be pulled through
all the time, then, well, why haven't they ever been before??
For example, why didn't the Forsaken bring dragons to fight
for the Dark One during the War of the Shadow? If you can come
up with a good reason for this, then maybe it could be made
workable.
Otherwise......... Athos
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shining_sword
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posted July 18, 2002 02:35 PM
I agree
with you to a point. It shouldn't be something that's common,
as you mentioned that it would have been done already. The
portal stone where such a creature would have to have been
created for that purpose during the age of legends (or
accidentally opened up into another world). Perhaps Sammael or
some other Chosen made his/her way into that world and
discovered the creature and "convinced" it to follow him home
with promises of greater glory. In order to channel (thus
Traveling), a Ter'angreal would have to be used; it would
probably be a bad idea to let the PCs find this device.
Remember that this idea is for a time and place set aside from
the novels and doesn't fit well in the same location the main
characters have just been (unless Rand's pulling of the Wheel
cause something unusual to happen).
Also, who's to say
other creatures such as giant spiders, carrion crawlers or
golems wouldn't exist in remote parts of the land; things that
stayed behind during the Breaking of the World? As a DM,
fighting trollocs and gray men could get stale after the 567th
encounter...
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Dark Ashaman
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posted July 18, 2002 07:51 PM
The way I
look at it is...
You are RP'ing in the Wheel of
Time universe and thus to get the feel of the WoT and to
have players experience the WoT universe, it is probably best
to keep things in the WoT universe. By that I mean I don't see
why people would want to start bringing in a bunches and
bunches of creatures from DnD. If you want to play in the DnD
world... play DnD.
But the idea to have Forsaken and
heroes from Portal Worlds sounds cool. But we've seen in the
book that the Dragon Reborn of the books traveled to another
world. The same could happen vice versa.
I just think
its silly to start throwing dragons and elves and goblins in
the WoT world. When a GM runs out of creativity to keep it in
the WoT universe, they should stop playing that and make the
players roll up DnD characters. Not try to FORCE the DnD world
into the WoT world.
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shining_sword
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posted July 19, 2002 07:36 AM
I know. It
wasn't my intent to force D&D into WoT. All I really
wanted to suggest was the possibility of other "dungeon
encounters" while exploring a remote site. Oh well, just an
idea anyway...
Sorry for hijacking your thread, Sam. As
it stands, the possibility of otherworld Chosen or
creatures/people does add new dimension to the setting! ![[Razz]](Wizards_Com Boards 13 Different Chosen_fichiers/tongue.gif)
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Mattrim
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posted July 19, 2002 11:52 AM
The
Seanchan got their beast from parallel worlds using Portal
Stones, during the first thousand years after the
breaking. And hers a tip..buy the book Robert Jordan's The
Wheel of Time It's full of facts from the books even about the
first Amyrlin! And the Foraken and some
Shadowspawn:)
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Athos' Shade
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posted July 19, 2002 02:42 PM
I've been
reading the big book of bad art, I know all about it... I
had a thought on all this earlier today, I think I figured out
why this is a bad idea...okay, so the Wheel weaves patterns
for each mirror right? and the threads are the lives of the
people in that mirror, right? Well, what do you think will
happen if threads start ending spontaneously and reappearing
in other mirrors all the time? That'd be badness, I would
think...could probably tear and warp the pattern. Thus, I'd think that bringing lots of people from
different worlds (or sending people to different worlds) would
probably cause many problems, and could destroy time and all
mirrors...or at least all the mirrors
involved... Athos
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phrostphyre
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posted July 20, 2002 09:05 AM
And that's
exactly why the PCs would work to stop it
happening..
Also, I think a limited selection of
"Monsters" from DnD isn't such a bad idea. There are tails of
Blight Worms and other weird creatures in the Blight. Don't
see why something couldn't be modifified to function as one of
those creatures. I'd avoid powerful things like Dragons,
Illithids, Beholders etc.. though.
If the PCs are going
in to, or tavelling near, the Blight, you could throw amny
different things at them Just make sure you change them enough that your
characters don't realise they're from DnD..
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shining_sword
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posted July 20, 2002 09:50 AM
Aside from
creatures brought in through portal stones, there are also
natural encounters not mentioned in the sourcebook that make
perfect sense to throw in from the MM. Animals such as bears,
coyotes or wild dogs, badgers, deer (and yes, I've seen videos
of people getting trampled and impaled by a raging buck!) and
boars in standard woodland areas. Crocodiles, pihranas and
other swampy things near low wetlands. In the Aiel desert,
there would certainly be wild horses, venomous snakes,
vultures, lions, and elephants. In the seas/shores there are
sharks, octopi, jellyfish, etc. These animals will defend
themselves violently when people just happen to trespass (as
adventurers are prone to do very often). I don't know why at
least some of these weren't added to the sourcebook
anyway.
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drothgery
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posted July 20, 2002 02:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by shining_sword: I
don't know why at least some of these weren't added to the
sourcebook anyway.
It's the same reason there were only ten or so major
NPC write-ups, and twenty pages of weaves. Namely, lack of
space in one book.
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Maidenfine
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posted July 30, 2002 06:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Sam al'Haran: is it possible that in
an alternate world (reached by the Portal Stones) a
different thirteen were bound with the Dark One?
I think it would be an interesting twist if Demandred
and Lews Therin were switched. Someone in another thread
mentioned that they were born a day apart and Demandred always
hated playing second fiddle. What if he didn't. That would
mean that maybe the Dragon would be a Forsaken. Wouldn't it
mess with some people if the Dragon showed up. No one would believe that Rand was the Dragon
Reborn if the Dragon himself showed up. And I'm sure the
Forsaken that recruited him from a mirror world would look
real good in the eyes of the Dark One.
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Arr MiHardies
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posted July 30, 2002 08:45 PM
You forget
though, that he became a forsaken because he WAS second
fiddle. I somehow doubt he would have become a forsaken if he
really were the dragon, as not being the dragon was his
primary motive for joining the Great
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posted July 30, 2002 10:46 PM
Just to add
to the overwhelming complexity of Jordan's landscape. We
always have constant reminders that the wheel has been turning
since the beginning of time, and that there are an "infinite"
number of confrontations between the Dragon and the Dark One.
Neither one of these guys can unweave (heh, at least up to
this point) themselves out of the pattern. What's to keep the
forsaken from weaving themselves back into the pattern so
there always ends up with a full complement of 13?
Case
being, even with a few of them balefired this time, those old
forsaken get unwoven. Maybe the pattern weaves in new ones to
take their spots? Heh, it's an extended thought at least.
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Maidenfine
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posted July 31, 2002 05:50 PM
quote:
Posted
by Arr MiHardies: You forget though, that he became a
forsaken because he WAS second fiddle.
Actually, that was my point. If Lews Therin played
second fiddle instead of first, wouldn't he become a Forsaken
instead?
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Sophiathegreen
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posted April 13, 2003 05:15 AM
Why not
have than orc's like darkfriend also in the bight. Of than
Elfivh like races which help the goodside.
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Moon-Hawk
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posted April 13, 2003 10:59 AM
Because
adding more intelligent races would totally change the
setting. Personally, I think that if you can't live without
orcs and elves, play D&D (or Shadowrun, or something with
them) If you absolutely need them in Wheel of Time, that's
fine, it's the DM's prerogative, just don't call it Wheel of
Time after that. I don't mean to come off as a militant
purist or anything, I love the idea of using lesser D&D
beasties for creatures in the blight, just nothing super
powerful or intelligent that would necessarily have a major
impact on the world.
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Generality
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posted April 13, 2003 11:14 AM
It's been
stated in the books that there are Portal Worlds almost
exactly like the original, in which there are even people. The
further you go from the real timeset, however, the more
surreal, hazy, and blank the worlds become, so I don't think
you'd be able to encounter dragons or beholders or the like.
You might be able to meet a copy of Mat, but I think it likely
that only people from the Real World are capable of using the
Portal Stones. Maybe they are the only ones real enough to
properly interact with them.
There is, however, another
Jordan mechanism which has been sadly overlooked up until now,
which could present almost limitless possibility- the bubbles
of evil. A power surge from the Dark One, wrestling against
his prison; we've seen evidence that anything is possible.
People have been attacked by their reflections, by playing
cards, by the ground itself. In Crossroads of Twilight we saw
an entire city haunted by Wights, or something very like them.
Imagine the things you could call forth with little effort.
You could have a miasma roll over Rand's banner- poof, instant
dragon. And so on.
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