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Topic: An answer to
the horizontal gateway question from the horse's mouth!
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mrtauntaun
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posted March 28, 2003 02:42 PM
Hi all. I
had the priviledge of meeting Robert Jordan at a book signing
and I asked him if you could actually open a gateway
horizontally. His response was: "I don't see why not" While
is is a definitive answer, this has caused a major problem for
me as a GM. One of my players opened a gatway horizontally
at the bottom of the ocean over a very large army of baddies.
Needless to say, this allowed them to survive the encounter
quite easily. Has anyone else has similar problems?
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Draicen
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posted March 28, 2003 03:22 PM
1) The
characters do not know how to manipulate a weaves casting for
such uses....
2) Doesn't the weave require "some"
knowledge of the destination? Kinda a hrad to "know" the
bottom of the ocean
3) Ignore RJ
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Sociotard
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posted March 28, 2003 10:18 PM
Hmmmm, did
you say OVER the ocean or DEEP BELOW the ocean? If they opted
for under I hope you had the water geyser up from under them
instead of just them falling down. Water pressuer you
know
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Steve Russell
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posted March 29, 2003 03:30 AM
quote:
One of my
players opened a gateway horizontally at the bottom of the
ocean,(and) over a very large army of baddies. Needless to
say, this allowed them to survive the encounter quite
easily.
Questions: Was the idea to put the bad guys at the
bottom of the ocean or drop and ocean on the bad guys, what
level is the channeler,exactly what level weave slot did this
channeler use, What level was the weave, was it Saidin or
Saidar, and exactly when and where in the world was
this?
I have a GMing rule 1. never try to control
the actions of your players, you have total control of outcome
and the consequences.
they used a very inventive tactic
(unless they read the WoT faq coments ways to kill a gholam)
how about a dreadlord use the same tactic against them. whats
good for the light is good for the shadow.
well they
just channeled a 7th level weave minimum Using
Shadowkillers One power distance's http://www.thetrio.net/wot/misc/distances.html Thats
a 1/4 of a mile that a mydraal or gender channeler, or True
Power user sensed it's use. if he channels at 8th level thats
1/2 a mile.
Demondred could show up and channel an
inverted hold gateway. Lets see them deal with the new sea (or
black hole) they just created.
A Creature from 20,000
leagues under the sea comes through the gateway (a blighted
Moby Dick,a blighted giant squid, an Aquatic lost Seanchan
Exotic, A dinosaur,etc..)
my personal favorite would
be The Real basis for the creature on the Dragon Banner who
they just woke up and is very angry (weave resistance, uses
both halves of the source just to start with, he could just
put a compultion block on them to stop them from every using
the weave the same way again.)
Oh and you just Sowed
all the ground with salt the locals might be a little unhappy,
they send a message to the White or Black tower asking for
help, a darkfriend sends a message on to a Dreadlord or
Forsaken.
The Gateway created a whirlpool in the ocean
which destroyed a senchan ship and thier damane gave a
fortelling that these guys caused the death of their Son of
the Nine moons or whatever.
This is some part of an Aiel prophecy about
speading poisioned water on the ground (the Shaido hunt them
down and kill them with the help of wise ones.)
OKAY
some thoughts on using a gateway this way
A
horizontal gateway adds +1 to the casting levelor perhaps a
certin DC for the Weavesight, maybe
The effect of
blasting the badguys with water (waterpressure would push
water thorough the gateway not gravity pull them
through)
Range is close (as a 14th level channeler the
center of the gateway is 60ft away) whatever comes through
could still affect the caster.
a gate way might not let
things like gravity, water, lava, and air just pass through
the event horizan. Why? because it would have to deal with the
simple diffrences of air preassure also at diffrent elevations
or end up causing storms all the time changing a gravity plane
in such a manner could tear apart anything half way
between.
"you must know the starting pont well." pg 180
WoT Rpg
my house rule is 30 minutes of study, (10
minutes if you embrace the source and have the feat power
hightend senses) this requires a search check DC 20 (taking a
20 , twenty times as long as one
round)
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with the Lady Riselle. She lets me rest my head on her bosom
while she reads to me. -Olver
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review my Epic Level Homebrew Setting: A Brave New Worldat the Commonplace
Book.
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Sharn_Penndroen Member Member
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posted March 29, 2003 08:16 AM
Well first
of all as Steve said, it is not necessary for them to know the
destination of the gateway. It is necessary only for them to
be familiar with their current location. Second of all it was
inventive so they deserve to reap its benefits (or
consequences as in Steve's post). The only thing is I think it
would take some character thought to open a horizontal
gateway. Rand tells Taim in book 6 that he isn't sure how the
gateway works. I believe that he thinks to himself that
Asmodean was even unable to explain how it works. Being that
it is hard to understand how it works I imagine that it would
be difficult to manipulate. I would probably Role play them
trying this out before allowing it to work.
This is a
little off the subject, but once in DnD Forgotten Realms, I
upset a DM because I had two magic items that I used in
tandem. A Horned Ring (teleportation) and a Portable hole. I
would have the entire party (except myself) jump in the Hole
and then I would fold it up and teleport somewhere. Then I
would throw the Hole down and let everyone back out. We used
to go to henous places like Mythdranor and when we exhausted
our resources we would teleport back to our keep hundreds of
miles away where we had about 4 clerics on staff to heal us up
as well as a store room of good to restock.
I know that
doesn't have anything to do with this, but my point is that
Players are creative and smart. Expect them to think of those
kinds of things and be prepared to let them face the
consequences. Good or Bad.
-------------------- A
man who will not die to save a woman is no man. - Shienaran
Saying
The Light shine on you, and the Creator shelter
you. The last embrace of the mother welcome you home. -
Shienaran Funeral Ceremony
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mrtauntaun
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posted April 05, 2003 11:42 AM
I like
adding +1 casting level to the weave. He was a very powerful
male channeler, about 16 or 17 channeling levels. One of the
only original characters from when we started. I wish I had
though of dropping a creature upon their heads, that would
have forked them I will keep that in mind for the future (we have
started over), thanx!
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