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Maxwell
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posted September 08, 2002 06:38 PM
Hello
everybody. Im new to WoT and have acouple
questions. First of all can a WolfBrother Channel??? For
example can a male wilder just out of the blue receive the
call of the wolf. I know being a WolfBrother has nothing at
all to do with the One Power but do the two conflict with each
other? Im sure whatever charecter choses to be the two would
go mad quite fast but the idea is still cool. My next
question is more of a plead for help than a question. If
anyone has anything that may help me create new adventure
Npc's, cool encounters for my charecters, anything at all
really would be quite appreciated. Well thanks and I hope
you guys can help
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Arr MiHardies
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posted September 08, 2002 10:13 PM
I dont see
any reason other than balance and novel continuity to allow a
wolfbrother to take channeling levels. I personally would not
allow it in my game. but I see no reason in the core rulebook
as to why it cant happen
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Eosin_the_Red
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posted September 08, 2002 10:29 PM
What Arr
said -
It does not seem likely but nothing prohibits
it. Damn, I would hate to see that madness
rating!
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Freya
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posted September 09, 2002 10:07 AM
As
mentioned before, there is nothing in the rulebook that says
you can't. I know that in our game, our GM ruled it
out.
There's just something about the 'call of the
wild/wolf' being very contrary to the self-control needed for
channeling. If the Wolfbrother went feral or berserked, even
briefly, forget channeling entirely. A wolf mind wouldn't be
able to comprehend the One Power enough to use it.
Wolfbrothers were around before channeling...it's
primal. I, personally, don't see them mixing. But, it's your
game.
If you do allow it, be sure to add concentration
checks whenever the channeler/wolfbrother tries to embrace the
source/channel when wolves are near enough to sense his mind.
Trying to push out the wolf presence while maintaining the
Void would be very difficult to say the least. ![[Wink]](Wizards_Com Boards WolfBrothers and channeling_fichiers/wink.gif)
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DanausMantrose
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posted September 09, 2002 10:13 AM
And
remember, male channelers get Madness points every level
regardless of what Class they take it in. If they take a
Wolfbrother prestige class, then they would get double Madness
points. Points for being a Male Channeler, plus points for the
Wolfbrother class. As far as I know, the only time you don't
get 'double points' for male channelers is if they take a
level of a channeling class (initiate/wilder). So
Wolfbrother/Channeler males are really screwed. I hope they
spend their Feats on Mental Stability. Often.
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Maxwell
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posted September 09, 2002 06:38 PM
Well thanks
4 the help. I dont think I will allow WolfBrother Channellers
it just seems to crazy to me. Besides my PCs have enough to
worry about without a major madness rating. The two just don't
seem to mix to well you guys are right. Well thanks again!
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mrtauntaun
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posted September 10, 2002 06:39 AM
In my game,
if you do not start out as a 1st level wilder of initiate, you
must make a percentile roll to see if your character posses
the ability to channel. It's very small, 2%, and it you fail
it, you can never multiclass into a channeller level.
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Vish213
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posted September 10, 2002 08:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Maxwell Cardigan: My
next question is more of a plead for help than a question.
If anyone has anything that may help me create new adventure
Npc's, cool encounters for my charecters, anything at all
really would be quite appreciated.
Here is a good site with three aids for running a WoT
game: http://members.vip.fi/~hopeakuu/rpg/rpgs.html
He
has a weather generator, npc/encounter generator and character
generator.
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Matai Gaidin
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posted September 11, 2002 01:16 PM
Just a
tidbit. A number of times in the novels, Aes Sedai mention
that dogs steer clear of channelers for the most part,
sometimes barking at them before running off. Cats, on the
other hand don't maind channelers and often are drawn to
them.
It is always up to the GM how they want to run
their game and how much of Jordan's "flavor" they want to add
to it. For me, I'd side with most of the other responders and
say that I'd disallow it because of the canine dislike of
channelers. The two abilities just wouldn't seem compatible,
if I was sticking to the spirit of
WoT.
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The Great Gray
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posted September 11, 2002 01:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Matai Gaidin: Just a
tidbit. A number of times in the novels, Aes Sedai mention
that dogs steer clear of channelers for the most part,
sometimes barking at them before running off. Cats, on the
other hand don't maind channelers and often are drawn to
them. It is always up to the GM how they want to run their
game and how much of Jordan's "flavor" they want to add to
it. For me, I'd side with most of the other responders and
say that I'd disallow it because of the canine dislike of
channelers. The two abilities just wouldn't seem compatible,
if I was sticking to the spirit of WoT.
FWIW, we learn in Winter's Heart that this is a
male/female dichotomy trait. Dogs just love male
channelers, but cats won't have anything to do with
them.
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posted September 21, 2002 11:39 PM
I'd side
with the rest and NOT allow that. Mainly because said
character would be insane VERY fast. As for channeling in
general. I'd roll the precent and stuff. And if I happened
not to like the player of a character I might decide that the
'spark' should manifest at a VERY unfortunate time! It migt
turn into a game of "escape the large angry mob chasing
you"
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Jkol the
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posted September 22, 2002 04:19 PM
Would the
madness from the two classes stack? both represent loss of
sanity, but the Channeling madness represents consumption by
the taint, while the wolfbrother's madness represents loosing
self control and the take over of the character's wolf side -
further The Channeler's madness can lead to disease while the
wolf brother's cannot - Thus at least the two cannot be
combined for some calculations. One could almost even consider
the two as competitors. The taint pulling the character in one
direction and the pack another. Sometimes the two would
combine for disastrous effects - but perhaps they would also
act to negate one another from time two time - such presents
an excellent roleplaying opportunity.
Further A male
channeler/wolfbrother could make a lot of sense as well. First
of all many male channelers are probably driven into the wilds
just to survive. Perhaps the character has become known to one
of the forsaken - or black ajah - who then haunts him in his
dreams - wolves might sense his potential in Tel'aran'rhiod
and proctect him. Finnaly a character can gain access to the
prestige class more easily - dropping up to three skill/feat
requirements - 1 per extra d6 of madness he/she gains - not
much of a deal for one who is already used to madness.
It may in fact be that it is more likely for a male
channeler to become wolfbrother - at least he has more
opportunities. In the end He most certainly would be a
tortured soul.
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Jkol the
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posted September 22, 2002 04:51 PM
Just a note
- Elyas was driven out of the White tower because there was a
presumed connection to the one power - that resulted in an
attempt to gentle him - perhaps it was just a mistake - but
perhaps there has been a past history that would lead to that
conclusion - just a thought
There seems also to be a
connection with channelers - at least the dragon reborn -
During the great hunt at about the same time Rand Stole back
the horn - the wolves kept speaking to perrin about one they
called "Shadow killer" Certainly the wolves would at least
appreciate the use of a channeler against the more powerful
shadowspawn.
This also presents an opportunity for
unique Npcs - A male channeler hunted by the Red Ajah goes
feral and joins the local pack. Given such protection the pack
begins to encroach more and more on outlying human settlements
- the party must either convince the pack to leave the area or
defeat the channeler - perhaps he can be happier once gentled
and no longer such a danger.
Hunted in the city by the
Reds and, barely able to avoid the madness brought by wolves,
a desperate wilder seeks the aid of the party - will they
escort him safely (both for him and the general population) to
Far Madding where he can hopefully live out his days in peace
free of both the taint and the wolves?
In advanced
stages of madness, and consumed by the rotting disease of the
taint a channeler desperatly flees the red ajah - finding
refuge and companionship with a pack of wolves. As his rapport
with the wolves grows, he discovers he is more resilient and
stronger than ever before - he discovers he is now virtually
immune to the rotting, and though he is not consumed by the
pack he is totally insane - can the party stop him before he
begins another breaking of the world?
This is a
fantastic idea - and a significant contender for a major npc
in my campaign - thx for the
idea!
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Maxwell
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posted September 25, 2002 05:59 PM
Wow
everyone has a great point. But Jkol that is an awesome
idea. Sounds like youve all but alot of thought into my
question let me just say thanks to you all again. You guys
are a huge help and youve all got really interesting and great
perspectives. Well talk with ya l8er peeps.
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Freya
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posted September 30, 2002 08:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Jkol the
Butcher: There seems also to be a connection with
channelers - at least the dragon reborn - During the great
hunt at about the same time Rand Stole back the horn - the
wolves kept speaking to perrin about one they called "Shadow
killer" Certainly the wolves would at least appreciate the
use of a channeler against the more powerful
shadowspawn.
My take on this always related to the fact that
every group in Randland waits for the Dragon Reborn.
For the Aiel, he is He Who Comes With The Dawn. For the Sea
Folk, he is the Coramoor. I always figured that to the wolves,
he was Shadowkiller. Not a big leap to make. A smaller leap
than thinking wolves/wolfbrothers are somehow related to
channeling.
As for the rest, I still maintain that
wolfbrothers are older than channeling, and that very
primative-ness precludes them from developing channeling
ability.
*shrugs*
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Vish213
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posted September 30, 2002 11:11 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Jkol the
Butcher: There seems also to be a connection with
channelers - at least the dragon reborn - During the great
hunt at about the same time Rand Stole back the horn - the
wolves kept speaking to perrin about one they called "Shadow
killer" Certainly the wolves would at least appreciate the
use of a channeler against the more powerful
shadowspawn.
I didn't think it had anyhting to do with his
channeling. I thought that the wolves were remarking more to
his skill with the blade when he was killing trollocs and
looking for the Horn to save Mat. It seemed that they were
remarking because they were impressed by
him.
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Jkol the
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posted September 30, 2002 11:57 AM
I never
maintained that there was any connection between channelers
and wolfbrothers - just that wolfbrothers would likely
appreciate the talents of a channeler who was a wolfbrother -
it seems foolish for one to assume that wolves would reject
those who could channel outright.
On another note -
Rand was also termed Shadowkiller by wolves in Book Six - as
they tracked him to Dumai's Wells (They told Perrin that
ShadowKiller had been chained).
Further Wolfbrothers
are not so primative - if they are in such a state as perrin
is or Elyas is they should be 'civilized' enough to understand
channeling.
- These traits are both rare and probably
recessive - such a case would almost certainly be on the verge
of unique at any one time - probably something better suited
for an Npc (see prev posts) than a Pc - In most events I would
disallow this to players in my campaign - Simply because it
makes for difficult roleplaying and the madness score
certainly increases the risk (even taken seperatly) of the
character becoming an Npc
anyways
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Freya
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posted September 30, 2002 01:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Jkol the Butcher: it
seems foolish for one to assume that wolves would reject
those who could channel outright.
Agreed, good thing neither of us said that. We even see in the books that they don't do such
a thing...their names for Aes Sedai (female channelers, in
general) "two legged shes that touch the sky that moves the
wind..." I can't remember the exact term, I'm sure someone
will supply it soon enough. If they looked negatively on
channeling, it would color the name.
quote:
Further Wolfbrothers are not so primative
- if they are in such a state as perrin is or Elyas is they
should be 'civilized' enough to understand
channeling.
Primal is not the same as primitive. (primal- adj.
having existed from the beginning; in an earliest or original
stage or state.) Wolfbrothers existed long before
channeling came to humans, therefore; it is primal. And, of
course, animals are primal in nature as well. (being generally
neutral to all but Trollocs/Myrdraal and survival, which can
be broken down into food, shelter, and
reproduction.)
I'm not saying that wolfbrothers would
not be able to understand channeling, just that the
part of their nature that makes them wolfbrothers distances
them from it. (I would say isolates them from it, but that is
my opinion)
Especially the call to become feral...how
could one like that maintain any sort of concentration in
order to channel? If the wolfbrother did go completely feral,
certainly a wolf mind could not comprehend channeling.
quote:
- These traits are both rare and probably
recessive - such a case would almost certainly be on the
verge of unique at any one time - probably something better
suited for an Npc (see prev posts) than a Pc - In most
events I would disallow this to players in my campaign -
Simply because it makes for difficult roleplaying and the
madness score certainly increases the risk (even taken
seperatly) of the character becoming an Npc
anyways
Agreed. A NPC with this affliction would be interesting
to say the least. ![[Smile]](Wizards_Com Boards WolfBrothers and channeling_fichiers/smile.gif)
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The Great Gray
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posted October 01, 2002 08:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Freya:
quote:
Originally posted by Jkol the
Butcher: it seems foolish for one to assume
that wolves would reject those who could channel
outright.
Agreed, good thing neither of us said that. We even see in the books that they don't do
such a thing...their names for Aes Sedai (female channelers,
in general) "two legged shes that touch the sky that moves
the wind..." I can't remember the exact term, I'm sure
someone will supply it soon enough. If they looked
negatively on channeling, it would color the
name.
"two-leg shes who touch the wind that moves the sun and
call fire" Lord of Chaos, Chapter
54.
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posted October 01, 2002 09:17 AM
Too bad the
Prestige Class competition wasn't still open to entries. With
the ideas being thrown around here, we would have had a winner
on our hands. ![[Wink]](Wizards_Com Boards WolfBrothers and channeling_fichiers/wink.gif)
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Maxwell
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posted October 01, 2002 06:57 PM
Great idea
someone should make a prestige class. I would but im not
good with the rules yet. I think it would kinda be cool yes it
would be a challenge to roleplay but sometimes challenges are
good. Anyways somebody please make this prestige class
it would be sweet and i bet it would turn out amazing. Well
let me know if anybody makes it o.k. Thanks
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Xythlord
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posted October 01, 2002 09:35 PM
Uh,
although I have been following this thread for a little while
now, I am not sure as to what you are reffering to. What idea
for a prestige class has been
posted?
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ExCrusader
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posted October 02, 2002 12:13 AM
There is no
specific idea for a PrC being discussed here, just a lot of
rules for a couple classes and some good RPing ideas. I was
simply implying with all this creativity there could be a good
PrC made from it. It could be some type of channeling PrC that
focuses a lot on the character's connection with nature, etc.
"Wolf Channeler" maybe (bad name I know, too many images of
wolves doing the chanelling )?
Edit: Said "Caster" not "Chaneller". Too
much D&D I guess ![[Big Grin]](Wizards_Com Boards WolfBrothers and channeling_fichiers/biggrin.gif)
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