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Maxwell Cardigan
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posted September 08, 2002 06:38 PM      Profile for Maxwell Cardigan   Email Maxwell Cardigan    Edit/Delete Post
Hello everybody.
Im new to WoT and have acouple questions.
First of all can a WolfBrother Channel???
For example can a male wilder just out of the blue receive the call of the wolf. I know being a WolfBrother has nothing at all to do with the One Power but do the two conflict with each other? Im sure whatever charecter choses to be the two would go mad quite fast but the idea is still cool.
My next question is more of a plead for help than a question. If anyone has anything that may help me create new adventure Npc's, cool encounters for my charecters, anything at all really would be quite appreciated.
Well thanks and I hope you guys can help [Big Grin]

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posted September 08, 2002 10:13 PM      Profile for Arr MiHardies   Email Arr MiHardies    Edit/Delete Post
I dont see any reason other than balance and novel continuity to allow a wolfbrother to take channeling levels. I personally would not allow it in my game. but I see no reason in the core rulebook as to why it cant happen

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posted September 08, 2002 10:29 PM      Profile for Eosin_the_Red   Email Eosin_the_Red    Edit/Delete Post
What Arr said -

It does not seem likely but nothing prohibits it. Damn, I would hate to see that madness rating!

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posted September 09, 2002 10:07 AM      Profile for Freya      Edit/Delete Post
As mentioned before, there is nothing in the rulebook that says you can't. I know that in our game, our GM ruled it out.

There's just something about the 'call of the wild/wolf' being very contrary to the self-control needed for channeling. If the Wolfbrother went feral or berserked, even briefly, forget channeling entirely. A wolf mind wouldn't be able to comprehend the One Power enough to use it.

Wolfbrothers were around before channeling...it's primal. I, personally, don't see them mixing. But, it's your game.

If you do allow it, be sure to add concentration checks whenever the channeler/wolfbrother tries to embrace the source/channel when wolves are near enough to sense his mind. Trying to push out the wolf presence while maintaining the Void would be very difficult to say the least. [Wink]

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posted September 09, 2002 10:13 AM      Profile for DanausMantrose      Edit/Delete Post
And remember, male channelers get Madness points every level regardless of what Class they take it in. If they take a Wolfbrother prestige class, then they would get double Madness points. Points for being a Male Channeler, plus points for the Wolfbrother class. As far as I know, the only time you don't get 'double points' for male channelers is if they take a level of a channeling class (initiate/wilder). So Wolfbrother/Channeler males are really screwed. I hope they spend their Feats on Mental Stability. Often. [Wink]
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posted September 09, 2002 06:38 PM      Profile for Maxwell Cardigan   Email Maxwell Cardigan    Edit/Delete Post
Well thanks 4 the help. I dont think I will allow WolfBrother Channellers it just seems to crazy to me. Besides my PCs have enough to worry about without a major madness rating. The two just don't seem to mix to well you guys are right.
Well thanks again! [Big Grin]

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posted September 10, 2002 06:39 AM      Profile for mrtauntaun   Email mrtauntaun    Edit/Delete Post
In my game, if you do not start out as a 1st level wilder of initiate, you must make a percentile roll to see if your character posses the ability to channel. It's very small, 2%, and it you fail it, you can never multiclass into a channeller level.
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posted September 10, 2002 08:54 AM      Profile for Vish213   Email Vish213    Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Maxwell Cardigan:
My next question is more of a plead for help than a question. If anyone has anything that may help me create new adventure Npc's, cool encounters for my charecters, anything at all really would be quite appreciated.

Here is a good site with three aids for running a WoT game: http://members.vip.fi/~hopeakuu/rpg/rpgs.html

He has a weather generator, npc/encounter generator and character generator.

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posted September 11, 2002 01:16 PM      Profile for Matai Gaidin      Edit/Delete Post
Just a tidbit. A number of times in the novels, Aes Sedai mention that dogs steer clear of channelers for the most part, sometimes barking at them before running off. Cats, on the other hand don't maind channelers and often are drawn to them.

It is always up to the GM how they want to run their game and how much of Jordan's "flavor" they want to add to it. For me, I'd side with most of the other responders and say that I'd disallow it because of the canine dislike of channelers. The two abilities just wouldn't seem compatible, if I was sticking to the spirit of WoT.

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posted September 11, 2002 01:39 PM      Profile for The Great Gray Skwid   Email The Great Gray Skwid    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Matai Gaidin:
Just a tidbit. A number of times in the novels, Aes Sedai mention that dogs steer clear of channelers for the most part, sometimes barking at them before running off. Cats, on the other hand don't maind channelers and often are drawn to them. It is always up to the GM how they want to run their game and how much of Jordan's "flavor" they want to add to it. For me, I'd side with most of the other responders and say that I'd disallow it because of the canine dislike of channelers. The two abilities just wouldn't seem compatible, if I was sticking to the spirit of WoT.

FWIW, we learn in Winter's Heart that this is a male/female dichotomy trait. Dogs just love male channelers, but cats won't have anything to do with them.

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posted September 21, 2002 11:39 PM      Profile for RPGFan Andygal   Email RPGFan Andygal    Edit/Delete Post
I'd side with the rest and NOT allow that.
Mainly because said character would be insane VERY fast.
As for channeling in general. I'd roll the precent and stuff.
And if I happened not to like the player of a character I might decide that the 'spark' should manifest at a VERY unfortunate time! It migt turn into a game of "escape the large angry mob chasing you"

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posted September 22, 2002 04:19 PM      Profile for Jkol the Butcher   Email Jkol the Butcher    Edit/Delete Post
Would the madness from the two classes stack? both represent loss of sanity, but the Channeling madness represents consumption by the taint, while the wolfbrother's madness represents loosing self control and the take over of the character's wolf side - further The Channeler's madness can lead to disease while the wolf brother's cannot - Thus at least the two cannot be combined for some calculations. One could almost even consider the two as competitors. The taint pulling the character in one direction and the pack another. Sometimes the two would combine for disastrous effects - but perhaps they would also act to negate one another from time two time - such presents an excellent roleplaying opportunity.

Further A male channeler/wolfbrother could make a lot of sense as well. First of all many male channelers are probably driven into the wilds just to survive. Perhaps the character has become known to one of the forsaken - or black ajah - who then haunts him in his dreams - wolves might sense his potential in Tel'aran'rhiod and proctect him. Finnaly a character can gain access to the prestige class more easily - dropping up to three skill/feat requirements - 1 per extra d6 of madness he/she gains - not much of a deal for one who is already used to madness.

It may in fact be that it is more likely for a male channeler to become wolfbrother - at least he has more opportunities. In the end He most certainly would be a tortured soul.

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posted September 22, 2002 04:51 PM      Profile for Jkol the Butcher   Email Jkol the Butcher    Edit/Delete Post
Just a note - Elyas was driven out of the White tower because there was a presumed connection to the one power - that resulted in an attempt to gentle him - perhaps it was just a mistake - but perhaps there has been a past history that would lead to that conclusion - just a thought

There seems also to be a connection with channelers - at least the dragon reborn - During the great hunt at about the same time Rand Stole back the horn - the wolves kept speaking to perrin about one they called "Shadow killer" Certainly the wolves would at least appreciate the use of a channeler against the more powerful shadowspawn.

This also presents an opportunity for unique Npcs - A male channeler hunted by the Red Ajah goes feral and joins the local pack. Given such protection the pack begins to encroach more and more on outlying human settlements - the party must either convince the pack to leave the area or defeat the channeler - perhaps he can be happier once gentled and no longer such a danger.

Hunted in the city by the Reds and, barely able to avoid the madness brought by wolves, a desperate wilder seeks the aid of the party - will they escort him safely (both for him and the general population) to Far Madding where he can hopefully live out his days in peace free of both the taint and the wolves?

In advanced stages of madness, and consumed by the rotting disease of the taint a channeler desperatly flees the red ajah - finding refuge and companionship with a pack of wolves. As his rapport with the wolves grows, he discovers he is more resilient and stronger than ever before - he discovers he is now virtually immune to the rotting, and though he is not consumed by the pack he is totally insane - can the party stop him before he begins another breaking of the world?

This is a fantastic idea - and a significant contender for a major npc in my campaign - thx for the idea!

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posted September 25, 2002 05:59 PM      Profile for Maxwell Cardigan   Email Maxwell Cardigan    Edit/Delete Post
Wow everyone has a great point.
But Jkol that is an awesome idea.
Sounds like youve all but alot of thought into my question let me just say thanks to you all again.
You guys are a huge help and youve all got really interesting and great perspectives.
Well talk with ya l8er peeps. [Big Grin]

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posted September 30, 2002 08:53 AM      Profile for Freya      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Jkol the Butcher:
There seems also to be a connection with channelers - at least the dragon reborn - During the great hunt at about the same time Rand Stole back the horn - the wolves kept speaking to perrin about one they called "Shadow killer" Certainly the wolves would at least appreciate the use of a channeler against the more powerful shadowspawn.

My take on this always related to the fact that every group in Randland waits for the Dragon Reborn. For the Aiel, he is He Who Comes With The Dawn. For the Sea Folk, he is the Coramoor. I always figured that to the wolves, he was Shadowkiller. Not a big leap to make. A smaller leap than thinking wolves/wolfbrothers are somehow related to channeling. [Wink]

As for the rest, I still maintain that wolfbrothers are older than channeling, and that very primative-ness precludes them from developing channeling ability. *shrugs*

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posted September 30, 2002 11:11 AM      Profile for Vish213   Email Vish213    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Jkol the Butcher:
There seems also to be a connection with channelers - at least the dragon reborn - During the great hunt at about the same time Rand Stole back the horn - the wolves kept speaking to perrin about one they called "Shadow killer" Certainly the wolves would at least appreciate the use of a channeler against the more powerful shadowspawn.

I didn't think it had anyhting to do with his channeling. I thought that the wolves were remarking more to his skill with the blade when he was killing trollocs and looking for the Horn to save Mat. It seemed that they were remarking because they were impressed by him.

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posted September 30, 2002 11:57 AM      Profile for Jkol the Butcher   Email Jkol the Butcher    Edit/Delete Post
I never maintained that there was any connection between channelers and wolfbrothers - just that wolfbrothers would likely appreciate the talents of a channeler who was a wolfbrother - it seems foolish for one to assume that wolves would reject those who could channel outright.

On another note - Rand was also termed Shadowkiller by wolves in Book Six - as they tracked him to Dumai's Wells (They told Perrin that ShadowKiller had been chained).

Further Wolfbrothers are not so primative - if they are in such a state as perrin is or Elyas is they should be 'civilized' enough to understand channeling.

- These traits are both rare and probably recessive - such a case would almost certainly be on the verge of unique at any one time - probably something better suited for an Npc (see prev posts) than a Pc - In most events I would disallow this to players in my campaign - Simply because it makes for difficult roleplaying and the madness score certainly increases the risk (even taken seperatly) of the character becoming an Npc anyways

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posted September 30, 2002 01:10 PM      Profile for Freya      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Jkol the Butcher:
it seems foolish for one to assume that wolves would reject those who could channel outright.

Agreed, good thing neither of us said that. [Smile]
We even see in the books that they don't do such a thing...their names for Aes Sedai (female channelers, in general) "two legged shes that touch the sky that moves the wind..." I can't remember the exact term, I'm sure someone will supply it soon enough. If they looked negatively on channeling, it would color the name.

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Further Wolfbrothers are not so primative - if they are in such a state as perrin is or Elyas is they should be 'civilized' enough to understand channeling.

Primal is not the same as primitive. (primal- adj. having existed from the beginning; in an earliest or original stage or state.) Wolfbrothers existed long before channeling came to humans, therefore; it is primal. And, of course, animals are primal in nature as well. (being generally neutral to all but Trollocs/Myrdraal and survival, which can be broken down into food, shelter, and reproduction.)

I'm not saying that wolfbrothers would not be able to understand channeling, just that the part of their nature that makes them wolfbrothers distances them from it. (I would say isolates them from it, but that is my opinion)

Especially the call to become feral...how could one like that maintain any sort of concentration in order to channel? If the wolfbrother did go completely feral, certainly a wolf mind could not comprehend channeling.

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- These traits are both rare and probably recessive - such a case would almost certainly be on the verge of unique at any one time - probably something better suited for an Npc (see prev posts) than a Pc - In most events I would disallow this to players in my campaign - Simply because it makes for difficult roleplaying and the madness score certainly increases the risk (even taken seperatly) of the character becoming an Npc anyways

Agreed. A NPC with this affliction would be interesting to say the least. [Smile]

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posted October 01, 2002 08:32 AM      Profile for The Great Gray Skwid   Email The Great Gray Skwid    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Freya:
quote:
Originally posted by Jkol the Butcher:
it seems foolish for one to assume that wolves would reject those who could channel outright.

Agreed, good thing neither of us said that. [Smile]
We even see in the books that they don't do such a thing...their names for Aes Sedai (female channelers, in general) "two legged shes that touch the sky that moves the wind..." I can't remember the exact term, I'm sure someone will supply it soon enough. If they looked negatively on channeling, it would color the name.

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posted October 01, 2002 09:17 AM      Profile for ExCrusader   Email ExCrusader    Edit/Delete Post
Too bad the Prestige Class competition wasn't still open to entries. With the ideas being thrown around here, we would have had a winner on our hands. [Wink]

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posted October 01, 2002 06:57 PM      Profile for Maxwell Cardigan   Email Maxwell Cardigan    Edit/Delete Post
Great idea someone should make a prestige class.
I would but im not good with the rules yet. I think it would kinda be cool yes it would be a challenge to roleplay but sometimes challenges are good. [Big Grin]
Anyways somebody please make this prestige class it would be sweet and i bet it would turn out amazing.
Well let me know if anybody makes it o.k.
Thanks [Big Grin]

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posted October 01, 2002 09:35 PM      Profile for Xythlord   Email Xythlord    Edit/Delete Post
Uh, although I have been following this thread for a little while now, I am not sure as to what you are reffering to. What idea for a prestige class has been posted?

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posted October 02, 2002 12:13 AM      Profile for ExCrusader   Email ExCrusader    Edit/Delete Post
There is no specific idea for a PrC being discussed here, just a lot of rules for a couple classes and some good RPing ideas. I was simply implying with all this creativity there could be a good PrC made from it. It could be some type of channeling PrC that focuses a lot on the character's connection with nature, etc. "Wolf Channeler" maybe (bad name I know, too many images of wolves doing the chanelling [Roll Eyes] )?

Edit: Said "Caster" not "Chaneller". Too much D&D I guess [Big Grin]

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