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Elsbon
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posted October 03, 2002 01:43 PM
Is anyone
sure that the Concentration(Wisdom) isn't simply a misprint?
Everywhere else in the book I think Concentration is listed as
Constitution based. I'm not at home right now, so I can't
check what the character sheet lists it as. Since it's
Con-based in DnD, it seemed that basing it off Wisdom was just
a misprint. Have you read/heard anything...somewhat offical
perhaps?
Considering I'm playing a channeler, basing it
off of Wisdom would be nice, but I'd like to have a better
reason to give my GM than my Wis bonus is higher.
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Xythlord
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posted October 03, 2002 02:05 PM
Granted it
definately could be a misprint (either on the class skills or
the Primary attribute for the skill itself), but if you look
at both the Wilder and Initiate class they have Concentration
(Wis). Furthermore the Asha'man, the Aes Sedai, the Windfinder
and the Aiel Wisewoman all have Concentration (wis), while the
Gleeman has Concentration (Con). It would seem to me that
since a great many of the abilities for channeling are tied to
Concentration that for a channeler the Concentration skill was
meant to be tied to the Wis attribute. For all others, it is
based of the Con attribute.
More than likely the
skills were just cut and paste from the D&D stuff, while
the classes were more thoroughly worked out (just a guess
though). I wasn't able to find out anything from the FAQ,
maybe I'll try emailing somebody and trying to get a
response.
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Freya
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posted October 03, 2002 02:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Elsbon: Is anyone
sure that the Concentration(Wisdom) isn't simply a misprint?
Everywhere else in the book I think Concentration is listed
as Constitution based. I'm not at home right now, so I can't
check what the character sheet lists it as. Since it's
Con-based in DnD, it seemed that basing it off Wisdom was
just a misprint. Have you read/heard anything...somewhat
offical perhaps?
If it was only once or twice, I would think it's a
misprint. But, it's every channeling class. Only. True,
in the 'skills' section, it says constitution, but that
section was most likely a cut-n-paste from any other d20 game.
Besides, Wisdom makes more sense for
channelers. They aren't controlling the flows with their
strength of body, but with their strength of
will.
quote:
Considering I'm playing a channeler, basing it off of
Wisdom would be nice, but I'd like to have a better reason
to give my GM than my Wis bonus is higher.
Agreed. Wisdom is my character's highest stat.
(detemined prior to converting to d20) Luckily, my GM agreed
that Concentration(wis) made sense for channelers. ![[Big Grin]](Wizards_Com Boards Overchanneling is not that serious! (2)_fichiers/biggrin.gif)
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The Great Gray
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posted October 03, 2002 02:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Elsbon: Is anyone
sure that the Concentration(Wisdom) isn't simply a misprint?
Everywhere else in the book I think Concentration is listed
as Constitution based. I'm not at home right now, so I can't
check what the character sheet lists it as. Since it's
Con-based in DnD, it seemed that basing it off Wisdom was
just a misprint. Have you read/heard anything...somewhat
offical perhaps? Considering I'm playing a channeler,
basing it off of Wisdom would be nice, but I'd like to have
a better reason to give my GM than my Wis bonus is higher.
In every description of every channelling class and
Prestige class in the core book, Concentration is listed as a
class skill with the key ability as wisdom. That's pretty
official, if you ask me.
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Melriken
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posted October 04, 2002 12:18 AM
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gray
Skwid: In every description of every channelling
class and Prestige class in the core book, Concentration is
listed as a class skill with the key ability as wisdom.
That's pretty official, if you ask me.
actually that doesnt mean anything, for one the stat
listing in the skill section isnt game text, it is just a note
to aid quick reference, what matters is the skill
itself.
for a second thing the list of channaling
skills was probably written up once, then cut and pasted into
each class that could channal, then all the other skills that
class gets were added.
read the concentration skill, it
really doenst look like a cut and paste from any other d20
game, and it doesnt say anything about wisdom, only about
con.
*officialy* concentraion is a constitution skill,
if your game master want it to be wisdom, well more power to
him, but recognise that that is a house rule supported by
flavor text, not a either or case where you went one way and
some other people went the other.
please note I have no
problem with house rules, I only have problems with people
claming them to be official.
unless you can find a
sentence in the book that says 'for channalers concentration
is a wisdom skill' I stand that it is a con skill. (and I just
skimed the skill description and didnt see
anything)
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RocPhoenix
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posted October 04, 2002 10:10 AM
The turn
that this post took interested me so I emailed FAQ at the
Tower Library. Brian said that it should still be a Con skill
and not a Wisdom. I guess take that as you would. I have
another question, though. Is ispossible to overchannel outside
your talent beyond the 2nd/0 level maximum? If I have a wilder
who does not have the Talent of Travel, but has the Spirit
affinity, can I still cast the weave create gateway, just as
an overchanneled weave? I asked Brian as well and I just
wnated to see what you folks thought.
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Melriken
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posted October 04, 2002 10:19 AM
quote:
Originally posted by RocPhoenix: The turn
that this post took interested me so I emailed FAQ at the
Tower Library. Brian said that it should still be a Con
skill and not a Wisdom. I guess take that as you would. I
have another question, though. Is ispossible to overchannel
outside your talent beyond the 2nd/0 level maximum? If I
have a wilder who does not have the Talent of Travel, but
has the Spirit affinity, can I still cast the weave create
gateway, just as an overchanneled weave? I asked Brian as
well and I just wnated to see what you folks
thought.
I dont have my book with me, but the question comes
down to: if I dont have healing, I can still learn the Heal
weave, can I cast it as a 3rd level weave by overchannaling a
0th level slot? to answer this question you must understand
that at the very least you would have to use a 0th level slot
to cast the weave, in which case you would have to have no 1st
level slots left, no 2nd level slots left, no 3rd level slots
left, ect, then you could attempt it.
givin that
structure I am 99% sure that you can NOT overchannal out of
your talents to get higher level weaves than you could normaly
cast (nor can you over channal in your talents to get weaves
over your casting stat-10)
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theSaj
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posted October 04, 2002 11:25 AM
I would
agree with those who say WIS, is the CONCENTRATION stat for
channellers.
Special, always over-rides
generic.
CON is generic for
Concentration.
However, WIS is special channellers as
detailed in their specialized
classes...
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Elsbon
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posted October 05, 2002 11:17 AM
Well, it
seems that an 'official' line would have Concentration Con
based, but that many of you prefer Wis based (with the idea
that it's WoT, not DnD - it doesn't have to follow DnD rules).
Guess I'll just ask my GM and see what she says; can't hurt.
I thought I should comment on the actual
topic, which was overchanneling, and how Moridin00 wanted to
see more of it. Actually, I believe we've never used
overchanneling in our game. My character (being male) channels
rarely and rather subtly. The other channeling character
hasn't really seemed to need it. If it did seem dramatically
appropriate, I would overchannel; just haven't had the right
situation, I guess.
The point I really wanted to bring
up was the actual mechanics of overchanneling. I was wondering
if people thought they represent the books reasonably well. In
the books, it seems that often someone will acomplish
something rather impressive, and then fall down sick, etc. As
set up in the RPG, if it works, then there aren't any side
effects. If I had overchanneled, regardless if it worked fine,
I would roleplay some sort of exertion (or fatige after), but
the rules don't seem to support this situtation (where the
weave works, but at a cost). Or is this just supposed to be
balanced out by repeated use (eventually a character will fail
a roll)?
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posted October 05, 2002 11:52 AM
I feel that
concentration should remain a con skill - after all - the
greatest difficulty with over channeling is physical exertion.
When a person channels they use their body as a physical
conduit for the one power - thus it makes sense that a
channeler's concentration should be
con.
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Grey Danvar
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posted October 05, 2002 12:42 PM
Three quick
things.
1) The Concentration skill description is most
definitely not a cut and paste from any other d20 game.
2) In the Initiate and Wilder class descriptions,
under the heading Abilities in the last sentence, it
says that these classes benefit from high Constitution
scores.
3) On page 67, table 4-2, it also lists
Concentration as a Con based skill while displaying which
classes it is a class skill for.
[ October 05,
2002, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: Grey Danvar
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Grey Danvar
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posted October 05, 2002 01:07 PM
One more
thing, and this may solve the argument. On page 19, under the
heading Constitution, the third bullet says:
"Concentration checks. This skill, important to channelers,
has Constitution as its key ability."
I think we can
safely assume that Concentration(Wis) is a misprint. ![[Smile]](Wizards_Com Boards Overchanneling is not that serious! (2)_fichiers/smile.gif)
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RocPhoenix
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posted October 05, 2002 09:42 PM
You should
have seen the tear of joy in my eye when one of my PC gamers
overchanneled today. He (playing a wilder/initiate) does small
ones often, but today went for using a 3rd level slot, with a
+1 angreal, the affinity, to overchannel an 8th level weave.
Everything was cool, until later he did the math and realized
that he had a 40% chance of failure, and of that, a 50% chance
of stilling his character. I am proud and laughing
hysterically about his shock at what he had almost done to his
character. I run a NPC male channeler and overchannel every so
often, because the madness thing is no too bad, when you get
used to it. It adds flavor. Anyway, I encourage overchanneling
because it is risks like this that make the game more fun. A
group of armsmen walking around killing peasants is nothing.
Throw them against a Mydraal at a low level and watch them
push themselves to the max! It is great! A long post just
to say that I am still in favor of overchanneling as often as
possible!
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wierdbob
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posted October 06, 2002 02:37 AM
The only
non-chanelling class to have Concentration is Gleeman and
under the skills listing on the prestige class it shows it as
Con bassed, however every channeling class and prestige class
lists Concentration as a Wis skill.
I believe that
channelers should use Wis when trying to channel in adverse
conditions as that would be more of a sign of mental control
but if they had to try to channel whilst bieng beaten with
sticks then Con should be used as that would be a case of
phisical
conditioning.
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Melriken
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posted October 06, 2002 12:02 PM
when WoT
makes a specific change like channalers using wis for
concentration instead of constitution, they tell you they are
doing it. However the whole rule book says you use
constitution, even for channalers ('constitution is important
for channalers because concentration checks...') infact the
ONLY implication that it is wis based is the reminder text in
the class listing, which is a cut and paste for all the
channaling classes (ie there are a group of skills that every
channaling class has, and they are cut and pasted into each
class)
a single mistake copyed a half dozen times does
not change the rules.
that all said if you want to use
Wis for your games concentration on channalers, well go ahead
and do it, but recognise it is a house
rule.
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