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redrigger4567
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posted April 14, 2003 10:28 AM      Profile for redrigger4567   Email redrigger4567    Edit/Delete Post
i have a question. my group was facing a male and female channler, they were linked. my 2 channlers wanted to counter their weaving, but i did not know how to hadle this, beacuse the bad guys were linked. please help me.

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posted April 14, 2003 10:47 AM      Profile for Whitewinds   Email Whitewinds    Edit/Delete Post
I'd say that yes, the weave could be countered - though in this case, I'd also rule that there was a good chance of both countered and countering weaves going awry (possibly in a very spactacular fashion), due to the woman's inability to directly affect the saidin elements involved.
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posted April 15, 2003 08:32 AM      Profile for redrigger4567   Email redrigger4567    Edit/Delete Post
hello again
another question came up out of game. one of the female channlers asked if they could of learned the weave, from the linked pair. i told her no, beacuse of the saidine<sp> involved in it. i was thinking what kind of modifier would that get if i allowed it?
just to clarify someting, a man can see saidar when linked to a woman, and vice versia. or am i wrong?

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posted April 15, 2003 12:58 PM      Profile for Whitewinds   Email Whitewinds    Edit/Delete Post
Yes and no. From what we see at the end of Winter's Heart, women in links still can't tell if a man's holding saidin, nor can men see the glow of a woman holding saidin, though any member of a link can feel what's happening and being done with both halves of the Power within that link. It is, however, implied that men and women can both percieve weaves of either side while in the link - effectively, they "borrow" the ability from each other. That being said, I would rule that no channeler not linked to another of the opposite gender could learn a saidin-saidar weave by use of Weavesight.
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posted April 15, 2003 01:54 PM      Profile for Whitewinds   Email Whitewinds    Edit/Delete Post
I would say that a weave created from both sides of the Power would be impossible for a channeler not in a link with the opposite gender to learn via Weavesight.

It's clearly implied in the climax of Winter's Heart that any channeler in a link can see weaves of either or both sides of the - after all, some circles led by men defend against female Forsaken, and contrariwise. But men and women still cannot tell of channelers of the opposite gender outside the link are holding the Source.

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posted April 15, 2003 05:07 PM      Profile for Xythlord   Email Xythlord    Edit/Delete Post
You might want to think twice about letting channelers learn weaves of the opposite gender while in a multigender circle. I am not saying this just to be a jerk, but you can justify it both by the book and game balance.

The problem, game balance wise, is that many weaves that are know by the Aes Sedai are unkown to the Asha'man and vise-a-versa. This would present an excellent way for players to link just to learn a few new weaves. I think that allowing a multi-gender circle leader to see and counter weaves is a great boon, but perhaps learning them is a bit much.....but I may be a little cautious in this case, more so than needed. I just remember two channelers in my very first game making sure that they did not pick weaves that overlapped because they could learn them from each other later on in the first gaming session. This could be worse in a higher level game with Heal Stilling, Craft Cuendillar, Traveling and other "lost" weaves.

For a book reason, in the circle Rand was in, even as he used saidar to for the "conduit" it shaped itself in a way totally unexpected to him and alien to what he would have crafted with saidin. Now, a female channeler in a circle seeing a male channeler weave a Fireball, would probably not be able to duplicate it, as the weaves would be different than what she would cast with saidar. One really good example of this is the Gateway weave. If a woman attempted to duplicate how a man does it, she would be Screwing the Pooch! [Devilish]

Like I said before, this may be me overreacting somewhat, but better to be safe than sorry.

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posted April 16, 2003 01:00 AM      Profile for Whitewinds   Email Whitewinds    Edit/Delete Post
Let me rephrase slightly: If a channeler is in a male-female link, and witnesses a weave that uses both saidin and saidar, then the channeler should be able to learn that weave as normal - as a mixed weave, not a single-side weave, meaning that if your female channeler learns how to create a mixed-weave fireball, she can't cast fireball on her own - she must be leading a male-female link.
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posted April 16, 2003 01:32 AM      Profile for Sophiathegreen   Email Sophiathegreen    Edit/Delete Post
I have than game that have all spell list by MR (magical resising) the more powerful the spell the highter the MR is. You can cast than spell unlearn at
than very % change of it not working of something going wrong. You can sent time reduceing the MR to zero which mean going thought the step to cast the spell but either not casting the spell fully or in a safe envionment. This might be than handly rule to apply to learn weave from being than a circle or by weavesight.

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posted April 16, 2003 01:34 AM      Profile for Sophiathegreen   Email Sophiathegreen    Edit/Delete Post
O I forgot the spell wasnot fully learn until you reduce it to MR 0.
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posted April 22, 2003 06:25 PM      Profile for Malachite Green      Edit/Delete Post
I'd say the weave counts as a weave of whatever gender led the circle. In the mechanics, linked circles seem to behave as a booster for the weaving of one of the participants.

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