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aleshandre
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posted February 12, 2003 07:46 PM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
Egwene also had a dream about it. I don't think she discussed it with Verin though. Verin is possibly the most knowledgeable of AS about the prophecies, so it may say something about it.

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posted February 13, 2003 02:45 PM      Profile for Dave Shramek   Email Dave Shramek    Edit/Delete Post
The more I think about it, the more I think he'll pick up the hammer and that he's done with the axe.

We started Perrin (or near to it) with the chapter Forging a Hammer and he's thrown away the axe. Finally, being a blacksmith may be key to saving Faile as they are untouchable. If Perrin walks into that camp with a hammer on his belt, he might be able to walk out again.

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posted February 13, 2003 06:26 PM      Profile for Eagle Prince   Email Eagle Prince    Edit/Delete Post
Remember when everyone was wondering how Verin channeled inside a stedding? Then we found out about these "Wells", and in theory the idea was always there because of the Eye of the World. So I'd say its possbily in the prophicies or something... but I don't remember her saying that? Anyone know what book/chapter its in?

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posted February 13, 2003 09:48 PM      Profile for Melriken   Email Melriken    Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Shramek:
The more I think about it, the more I think he'll pick up the hammer and that he's done with the axe.

We started Perrin (or near to it) with the chapter Forging a Hammer and he's thrown away the axe. Finally, being a blacksmith may be key to saving Faile as they are untouchable. If Perrin walks into that camp with a hammer on his belt, he might be able to walk out again.

now that would be funny... One man, by himself walks into a camp of 10,000 aiel warriors, picks up one of thier servents and walks back out... the whole time all they do is look at him

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posted February 14, 2003 04:25 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
Oooohhh, I hadn't thought of that.

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posted February 14, 2003 06:38 AM      Profile for Stormraven67      Edit/Delete Post
I think that the appearance of ghosts and the proliferation of vermin where vermin should not be possible (the weevils in So Habor and in Egwene's camp as well as the rats that Alviarin noted in the White Tower) were linked together, the latest manifestation of the Dark One's touch on the world. There was a ghost in Caemlyn, too, seen by one of Elayne's maids, and I think there was another manifestation as well.

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posted February 14, 2003 06:51 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Melriken:
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Shramek:
The more I think about it, the more I think he'll pick up the hammer and that he's done with the axe.

We started Perrin (or near to it) with the chapter Forging a Hammer and he's thrown away the axe. Finally, being a blacksmith may be key to saving Faile as they are untouchable. If Perrin walks into that camp with a hammer on his belt, he might be able to walk out again.

now that would be funny... One man, by himself walks into a camp of 10,000 aiel warriors, picks up one of thier servents and walks back out... the whole time all they do is look at him

Would be funny but unlikely as they have abandoned many traditions and order is disintegrating in the camp.
Afraid this is likely a job for the axe and the seanchan....

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posted February 14, 2003 08:06 AM      Profile for Tam al'Moff   Email Tam al'Moff    Edit/Delete Post
I am sure that they still honoured the position of the blacksmith in the towns they had recently ransacked so maybe he could just go in and ask for her back.

I hope he has to smack em around with that big hammer though [Devilish]

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posted February 14, 2003 08:20 AM      Profile for Eagle Prince   Email Eagle Prince    Edit/Delete Post
Well, I don't know if they'd let just any blacksmith march in like that. Could be, but maybe he'll need a disguise or it will just give him the idea and Gaul will be the one who goes in... maybe even a bunch of them as tinkers and gleemen, etc.

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posted February 14, 2003 10:10 AM      Profile for Lord Schpungus      Edit/Delete Post
I would like to see Perrin the blacksmith march in and take Faile and Amathera away. It would show him that there are more ways to change things than violence. Plus he's ta'veren, so while they might not just let any blacksmith walk into camp and take gai'shain, it's still in the realm of possibility. Therefore, it's in the realm of likely possibility.
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posted February 14, 2003 01:59 PM      Profile for Dave Shramek   Email Dave Shramek    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Eagle Prince:
Well, I don't know if they'd let just any blacksmith march in like that. Could be, but maybe he'll need a disguise or it will just give him the idea and Gaul will be the one who goes in... maybe even a bunch of them as tinkers and gleemen, etc.

Oh right, they leave Tinkers alone, too. So then, Aram leaves his sword, Perrin with his hammer on his belt waltz in and take back their people.

"This is my servant."

"Blacksmith's have servants?"

"That's how I learned?"

"Oh, she's training to be a blacksmith?"

Perrin doesn't answer and doesn't actually lie (per Aes Sedai logic).

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posted February 14, 2003 02:55 PM      Profile for Eagle Prince   Email Eagle Prince    Edit/Delete Post
Yeah, Aram and Perrin. Makes sense. How does he talk Aram into leaving behind his sword though? [Big Grin]

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posted February 15, 2003 09:48 AM      Profile for Selindra   Email Selindra    Edit/Delete Post
Um, guys, they just can't make blacksmiths gai'shan or involve them in battles. It's not like they're sacred. They can't go around stealing things from people's homes w/ no consequences just because they're blacksmiths.

Perrin would be dead on sight, hammer or no hammer.

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posted February 15, 2003 09:54 AM      Profile for Lord Schpungus      Edit/Delete Post
I still think Perrin's ta'veren enough to pull it off.. We'll have to wait and see.
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posted February 15, 2003 12:38 PM      Profile for Eagle Prince   Email Eagle Prince    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Selindra:
Um, guys, they just can't make blacksmiths gai'shan or involve them in battles. It's not like they're sacred. They can't go around stealing things from people's homes w/ no consequences just because they're blacksmiths.

Perrin would be dead on sight, hammer or no hammer.

I just lets him go into camp without getting killed. Then he could dress them up as maidens of the spear or something and walk back out.

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posted February 15, 2003 12:59 PM      Profile for Strife      Edit/Delete Post
umm, is it just me or didn't Egwene dream about being saved by a Seanchan and didn't someone of the Aes Sedia rebels mention seeing a mortah'raken?

To me it seems like Egwen won't be able to unite the tower without the Seanchan...
[Dropjaw]

(any one else having troubble with those seanchan names?)

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posted February 15, 2003 03:15 PM      Profile for jwanderer5   Email jwanderer5    Edit/Delete Post
Egwene dreaemd about the Seanchen attacking the White Tower though.
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posted February 15, 2003 04:26 PM      Profile for Eagle Prince   Email Eagle Prince    Edit/Delete Post
Maybe the Seanchan will also split into two camps. lol.

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posted February 16, 2003 09:35 PM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
That's possible. One lead by the soon be marath damane Daughter of the Nine Moons, with freed damane and channeling suldam - the other lead by Suroth trying to capture and kill all the marath damane. [Wink]

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posted February 17, 2003 09:12 AM      Profile for Dave Shramek   Email Dave Shramek    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by jwanderer5:
Egwene dreaemd about the Seanchen attacking the White Tower though.

That's exactly what Egwene is doing. Admittedly it's a pretty peaceful siege at this point, but she's going to have to use her army eventually.

I always thought Egwene's dreams in CoT were about Tuon and the secret of the sul'dam, but now I think they're all going to have to unite, just like Perrin, Mat and Rand uniting with the Return.

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posted February 19, 2003 08:53 PM      Profile for CowboyJRock   Email CowboyJRock    Edit/Delete Post
I forget who posed the question "what will happen to the amyrillyn"? but if you all think back to EotW (or was it TGH) egwene or rand had a dream about egwene [Big Grin] standing trial for impersonating the amyrilyn, or some other such treason. not really sure.

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posted February 19, 2003 09:02 PM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
That was my question. The "dream" was Egwene's trip into the 3 arches Ter'angreal in the Tower (tGH). Egwene was the Amrylin and was going to be put on trial for refusing to gentle Rand. [Wink]

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Normal people frighten me. I've never heard of freinds or relatives of serial killers saying, "He was crazy, I knew he was going to snap sooner or later and start killing people". They always seem to say, "He was such a nice normal young man", etc. Atleast with crazy people, you know to watch your back!
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