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aleshandre
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posted February 12, 2003 10:51 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by drothgery:
Taim isn't Demandred.

In the first place, Jordan has definitively said that he isn't in post-CoT signing reports.
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Now who are you Taimandred supporters going to believe? [Razz]

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posted February 12, 2003 11:15 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
I'd like to see the quote from RJ where he flat out said Taim is not Demandred.
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posted February 12, 2003 11:24 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
THIS WAS TAKEN FROM DRAGONMOUNT
"3. How accurate is the information in the WoT RPG? For instance, it says that Taim was captured by Black Ajah. In your books, though, you seem to leave this issue open to debate. Does your official approval of the game extend to its plot interpretations?" Interviewer to RJ

"I didn't consult with them on interpretations at all, really. I was trying to let them set up situations where the game could be played parallel to to the story arc, or perhaps outside it. I did try to find anything that contradicted the books, or what I intended in future books, and I caught a few errors when going over their galley proofs. I would have asked them to remove this, had I caught it." - RJ

Ok, so that stuff in PotD is really irrelevant for any discussion of whether Taim is Demandred or not.

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posted February 12, 2003 01:34 PM      Profile for The Great Gray Skwid   Email The Great Gray Skwid    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by JakoShadows:
I'd like to see the quote from RJ where he flat out said Taim is not Demandred.

How about this, then:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Xs2W9.16302%24i73.3424077%40twister.neo.rr.com

quote:
Q: Have we yet seen the alter-ego Demandred presents to the Third
Agers on-screen?
A: NO. (I asked twice to make sure.)

That's been confirmed as having been asked and answered at that sighting by at least two other people, IIRC.

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posted February 12, 2003 01:40 PM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
Still just hearsay....

We shall see...

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posted February 12, 2003 01:44 PM      Profile for Dave Shramek   Email Dave Shramek    Edit/Delete Post
[Dubious]

I've only recently run into the Taimandred stuff, when I was boning up on my WoT for the new book, but really. People are so certain.

I do like the fact that he's a new Demandred. We off Demandred, but Taim gets away and forms some new Forsaken with some Black Ajah and some if not all of the 20 Asha'man he's got under his wing.

"The Last Battle done, but the world not done with battle." or something.

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posted February 12, 2003 02:01 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
Taim wants to be the Top Dog, he will leave the Black Tower with his Channelers if Rand chases him off. But he won't give up the hundreds of men there unless he has no choice. Even if they are mostly loyal to the memory of the Dragon through the M'Hael's teachings, he a legend comes to kick their teacher to the curb, they will side with the Legend, except those that will die because of their association with Taim.

For a while I was thinking that maybe Demandred has a reborn version of himself, Taim, even though Demandred is still alive. But that wouldn't make sense.

Taim would have to be despriate to go to the Dark One if he isn't already a Darkfriend. Remember there is a Darkfriend GUARDING Rand to make sure he reaches the Final battle, "How can the Dark One defeat the Dragon if he isn't at Tarmon Gaimon?" Granted she may just be there because she thinks it is the right thing to do, but you never know (This is a Black Ajah I believe).

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posted February 12, 2003 02:20 PM      Profile for Heron_Marked_Blade      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by JakoShadows:
Still just hearsay....

We shall see...

LOL. "Still just hearsay..." That's great. [ROFL]

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posted February 12, 2003 02:54 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
Reminds me of the 4th Class Creation Commandment... "You don't have to use it." is the most commonly used excuse for unbalanced material. Everyone knows they don't have to use something.

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posted February 13, 2003 08:44 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Heron_Marked_Blade:
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Originally posted by JakoShadows:
Still just hearsay....

We shall see...

LOL. "Still just hearsay..." That's great. [ROFL]

Hey, that's like me saying yeah a friend of my friend's friend was at a book signing and RJ said that Bela was the Creator. Basing any argument on what got posted on a messageboard or usenet is completely laughable.
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posted February 13, 2003 09:00 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
Basing an iron grip belief on a theory that has no real concrete evidence to suport it and LOTS of concrete evidence to detract from it is even more laughable.

example in WH during the battle at the cleansing, Osangar/Daishiva's PoV said out right that he was tired of masquerading as Daishiva. Demandred's PoV said nothing about masquerading as Taim. Further, the conflicting orders of Taim and Demandred. Taim's orders "Kill him", Demandred's orders, "Kill him if you must, but above all, bring me everything he has in his possesion." If Taim was Demandred, why would he give them different instructions? Further, all of the Forsaken who are directly giving orders to the Darkfreinds make certain that the Darkfreinds know who they are, so that there is no mistake or argument. Why would Demandred do any differently, when the outcome can only be that sooner or later he will have to kill them, because they got tired of taking his orders, when all they thought he was is a ranking Darkfreind?
The idea that Demandred is Taim stares logic in the face and laughs. It makes as much sense to look at the sun and deny that it is light.
Even the "Aram is a Darkfreind" theory has more basis in evidence then the Taimandred theory.

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posted February 13, 2003 11:15 PM      Profile for jwanderer5   Email jwanderer5    Edit/Delete Post
People think that Aram is a darkfriend?
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posted February 14, 2003 06:42 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by aleshandre:

example in WH during the battle at the cleansing, Osangar/Daishiva's PoV said out right that he was tired of masquerading as Daishiva. Demandred's PoV said nothing about masquerading as Taim. Further, the conflicting orders of Taim and Demandred. Taim's orders "Kill him", Demandred's orders, "Kill him if you must, but above all, bring me everything he has in his possesion." If Taim was Demandred, why would he give them different instructions?

Try reading the books before posting.
Taim said kill him
Demandred said kill him
Moridin said kill him if you must but bring his possessions.

Taimendred might have good reason for his people not to know who he is.... After all Messanna kept her id hidden from Alviarin...

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posted February 14, 2003 06:54 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
Think the best discussion up to CoT
about this is on the WoT FAQ site.
They discuss and contrast
Non-Dark Taim
Taim is Demandred
Taim Is a darkfriend

ad naseum... they give a piece of evidence then show what each theory thinks about it.

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posted February 14, 2003 07:30 AM      Profile for Heron_Marked_Blade      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by JakoShadows:
Try reading the books before posting.

Is this necessary? Do you really think that people who post to this thread haven't read the books? [Dubious] [Beholder] [NoNoNo]

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posted February 14, 2003 09:35 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by aleshandre:
Basing an iron grip belief on a theory that has no real concrete evidence to suport it and LOTS of concrete evidence to detract from it is even more laughable.

No, I don't think most people haven't read the books that post here.
Yes, I made a sarcastic comment.
Yes, based on the above I think it was deserved given the 'concrete evidence' he gave and the way that he said the above quote.

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posted February 14, 2003 10:35 AM      Profile for The Great Gray Skwid   Email The Great Gray Skwid    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by JakoShadows:
quote:
Originally posted by Heron_Marked_Blade:
quote:
Originally posted by JakoShadows:
Still just hearsay....
We shall see...

LOL. "Still just hearsay..." That's great. [ROFL]

Hey, that's like me saying yeah a friend of my friend's friend was at a book signing and RJ said that Bela was the Creator. Basing any argument on what got posted on a messageboard or usenet is completely laughable.

You're completely unfamiliar with rasfwr-j, aren't you?

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posted February 14, 2003 10:50 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
That's a classic instance where RJ would say
RAFO...

I find it hard to believe that he would give a direct answer to that question so you'll forgive me if I question the source.

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posted February 14, 2003 10:56 AM      Profile for The Great Gray Skwid   Email The Great Gray Skwid    Edit/Delete Post
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Xns93069B38D99D1tkingtocolumbusrrcom%4024.210.67.113

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=lraf2vg0rh5kbkmli1ie6l718v88k0rlv1%404ax.com&output=gplain

Just for some additionals, there...

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posted February 14, 2003 11:04 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
any more?

I think one more might just convince me...

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posted February 14, 2003 11:30 AM      Profile for The Great Gray Skwid   Email The Great Gray Skwid    Edit/Delete Post
Did you read through the threads? All of those were the thread starter articles, there are corroborative reports below each.

If you really want another one, I'm sure I can find one.

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posted February 14, 2003 12:27 PM      Profile for SonoftheNineMoons      Edit/Delete Post
I agree with you that the evidence from the books does not support Mazrim Taim being Demandred. However, your reliance on these e-mails to support your theory is circumstantial at best and insulting at worst. I would suggest you post more reliable sources in the future.
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posted February 14, 2003 01:45 PM      Profile for finnmckool   Email finnmckool    Edit/Delete Post
actually, aram is destined to snap and turn on Perrin. Egwene saw it in one of her dreams. and considering aram is becoming more and more withdrawn and snappish, and perrin can't help but **** him off at every turn (not on purpose, but obi-wan to anikin style) Aram probably WILL turn to the dark, or at least betray Perrin.
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posted February 15, 2003 03:22 PM      Profile for jwanderer5   Email jwanderer5    Edit/Delete Post
Interesting......In the other thread on this board that's discussing CoT and Perrin getting Faile back, one of the possiblities that came up, is that he goes into the camp as a blacksmith. Also he could take in Aram as a Tinker, since he still wears Tinkers clothes. But to pull that off he needs to have Aram leave his sword behind. I could see that as definatly being the last straw for Aram.
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Still just hearsay....
We shall see...
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LOL. "Still just hearsay..." That's great.
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Hey, that's like me saying yeah a friend of my friend's friend was at a book signing and RJ said that Bela was the Creator. Basing any argument on what got posted on a messageboard or usenet is completely laughable.
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I just wanted to quote this cuz its so many quotes. It looks pretty kool! [Dubious]

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