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Monteblanco
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posted January 14, 2003 08:32 AM
Hi, I
haven't brought the RPG yet cause I'm still in the middle of
the books. However, I wonder if d20 is an adequate system to
the Wheel of Time. I know that the magic system is different
from D&D but reading the write-ups I found in the
Internet, it appears that it is still missing a point. Is it
possible to create a character who is strong in One Power but
unskilled in channeling? Would be necessary to make him/her a
genius (or any other stat related to One Power in the game)?
This would be the case of Rand and the girls when they were
introduced in the books.
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Dayana Sedai
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posted January 14, 2003 09:09 AM
You can
roll play your character however you want. but the write up
according to the RPG would suggest that they knew what they
could do. The RPG suggests that a first level character is
already well developed in their level in terms of channeler.
Nyneave was a level 1 wilder when she went ot the tower . . .
thus she was raised to accepted. Elayne and Egwene did not
gain any channeler levels according to the way the book is
written till they were back from the Seanchan, or perhaps, in
Egwene's case, because she learned so much, she could have
gotten the level when she became a damane. My guess is that
Rand wasn't a channeler (by RPG defining rules) till mid Great
Hunt when he knew he had used one of those stone pillars . . .
however this would technically be very unlikely by the books
rules.
I think basically that although d20 characters
eventually become as powerful if not in some cases more so
than the heroes of the books. They aren’t meant to start out
that way. I'm not entirely happy with how the system sets up
channeling classes, but it is MUCH better than DnD magic and
you can pretend (via good roll-playing) that it is similar.
There really are only a few problems.
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Shadowkiller
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posted January 14, 2003 09:11 AM
I believe
that the d20 system does an above average job at representing
the world of WoT. Its not perfect, its not great, but its
definitely better then average.
The way the d20 system
represents someone strong in the One Power is through their
stats. If you have 18s or higher in the stat which your
channeling class is best with, you have great potential.
Technically you have the ability to channel 8th level weaves
but you dont have the levels for it. This is how it represents
someone like this. A channeler can also take a round and judge
someone against their own stats determining whether this
person is more powerful, less powerful, equally as powerful or
has the potential for any of these things. The rules for it
come with the Prophecies of the Dragon book.
Also, I
incorperated rules for random channeling into my game. These
rules can be found on my site under other additions. The way I
believe the WoT world works in the d20 system is that everyone
aims for a prestige class. A woman does not become an initiate
if she doesn't want to be an Aes Sedai, at least not in game
terms and not usually. But I had my players decide what
prestige class they wanted their characters to head for. Women
and men who wanted to end in one of the channeling classes had
the ability to channel the random weaves weather or not they
could channel then. It increased the realism of the game a
little.
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Freya
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posted January 14, 2003 09:20 AM
Given the
way they stat out a channeler's "power rating" (Int mod+Wis
mod+Cha mod+channeler level), you could have someone with
above average Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma, but no
channeler levels. Therefore, they are 'potentially' powerful
in the One Power, just without any channeling ability.
Besides, a GM can always engineer 'powerful' ... ie.
An Aes Sedai senses the person for potential, and says "You
could be very powerful were you to enroll in the Tower." And
that's all that would be needed. Stats only tell so
much.
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Eosin_the_Red
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posted January 14, 2003 11:00 AM
quote:
Would be
necessary to make him/her a genius (or any other stat
related to One Power in the game)?
That is a tricky question, the simple answer is yes. It
is possible to do some work arounds though. The only Aes Sedai
that just cannot be done right with simple tweaking are Verin,
Nicloa, & Sharina. The supershielder among the kin and
Alivia are also difficult work arounds.
Having said
that, the system works better than any other I have played
(Mage, Hero, & GURPS) the one I have not tried is Ars
Magica. All those mentioned can do the magic wonderfully but
no one wants to play a non-channeler in a game where the
channelers are built on quadrupile the
points.
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JosephKell
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posted January 14, 2003 11:46 AM
Here is an
interesting question, could someone with a low max weave
casting ability be able to use weave slots they can't normally
use to power weave levels they can channel? Like a wilder with
13 wisdom using a 5th level weave slot to do a level 3
weave?
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posted January 14, 2003 01:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JosephKell: Here is
an interesting question, could someone with a low max weave
casting ability be able to use weave slots they can't
normally use to power weave levels they can channel? Like a
wilder with 13 wisdom using a 5th level weave slot to do a
level 3 weave?
No. Well, yes, but it would be overchanneling.
Channelers, as I understand it, cannot use the weave levels
they gain as they advance in levels that are above their
highest possible weave level (based off of wisdom). A 13 WIS
channeler can only cast weaves over lvl 3 if s/he overchannels
or uses an *angreal. Either way, s/he still uses the lvl 3
weave slot.
Bummer for Initiates, but not as bad for
Wilders (Initiates stop at 4 weaves per level; Wilders gain up
to 6 weaves per levels
0-3).
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Ennaom
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posted January 14, 2003 01:09 PM
I'll say
yes...
Because you can use a spell slot to cast a
lower spell. You ability limits the spell level you can cast,
not the spell slot you can
reach...
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posted January 14, 2003 02:23 PM
Ennaom has
it in one, according to WoTRB on page 160 under, Casting
the Weavein the first paragraph, it states Note that a
channeler who lacks a high enough ability score to cast weaves
that would otherwise be his due still gets the slots, but must
fill them with weaves of lower level.
It then goes on
to give an example of the
above.
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posted January 14, 2003 02:41 PM
Ah, I
misunderstood the question. Makes sense.
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Monteblanco
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posted January 14, 2003 10:11 PM
Thanks for
the answers. For what I understand, the game is unable to
properly handle the situation of formely stilled people. As
far as I have read (no spoilers, please) Siuam have been
healed from stilling by Nynaeve. However, her strenght in the
One Power was greatly reduced although she remains with her
former stats.
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Lord Schpungus
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posted January 14, 2003 11:20 PM
There's a
weave in the book, IIRC, Restore the Power, that has higher
weave levels restore more of the channeling ability. I think
it's 6th level restores 1/4 of channeling levels, up to 12th
that restores all channeling levels.
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Eosin_the_Red
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posted January 15, 2003 12:17 PM
It handles
formerly stilled people just fine. It handles 95% of the book
characters fine, but there are a few who need
tweaking.
A single One Power Stat would have been
better but alas it was not to be. Even if itwas it would
provide some problems all be
itself.
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Whitewinds
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posted January 30, 2003 11:09 AM
Actually,
Alivia is very easy to represent: She's a very high-level
Initiate with good mental stas and moderate physical ones.
Period. Give her every destructive weave in the book except
balefire, and make up some more. She's a living weapon, it's
all the channeling she knows.
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JosephKell
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posted January 30, 2003 11:47 AM
You could
even go a step further and make it so that every offensive
weave counts as a level higher, and every non-offensive is two
or three levels lower.
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