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posted March 05, 2003 05:57 PM      Profile for Aggro - Thingy   Email Aggro - Thingy    Edit/Delete Post
Has anyone yet offered that maybe ALL people have the ability to learn to channel? That maybe the Sul'dam have just enough ability that they are picked up? Maybe the a'dam works because all people have the ability the access the one power?
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posted March 05, 2003 10:07 PM      Profile for Xythlord   Email Xythlord    Edit/Delete Post
But the a'dam does not work for all people, that is why they test for them when they go to the villages looking for damane. Just like most people cannot be taught to channel, so too most cannot use the a'dam.

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posted March 05, 2003 10:53 PM      Profile for Melriken   Email Melriken    Edit/Delete Post
here is the real answer to can a shielded Sul'dam control a Damane through an A'dam.

Point 1: Only those who can channel or learn to do so are able to use an A'dam.

Point 2: Sul'dam are not known to embrace the source before connecting, however when they are connected the glow does surround them (I will look up a quote if you want me to, but I dont think this is contested)

Point 3: If you have been severed you can not control a Damane with an A'dam (look to Matt escaping with the three damane, I believe the search for sul'dam to use includes the idea to use someone who had been severed, but it has been a while)

given the above the real question is:
Does shield act as a temporary Sever, or does it do less?

Both are described as preventing someone from touching the source, but leaving them able to sence it. My belive is then that if you are shielded then you can NOT use an A'dam. and thus a Damane linked to you would not be able to do any more then she could if the A'dam were hanging on a peg on the wall.

But when it really comes down to it the above question has never been answered (to my knowlage) and thus it is the GM's call.

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posted March 06, 2003 01:59 AM      Profile for Duloth   Email Duloth    Edit/Delete Post
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The Sul'dam cannot use the Power at all unless they learn to embrace the source. This is a very specific process, that is described in detail throughout the books. They may eventually gain the potential by associated with the damane over a long period of time, to sense other channelers, to see the weaves, etc, but they cannot channel a single thing without embracing. This would also mean that they do not use it in small things because then they would be seen by other Sul'dam/damane when they glow.

Before you mention wilders unconsiously doing these things, wilders also develop a block to protect themselves, Sul'dam don't.
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!?!?? Rand was depicted as having performed feats of power before learning to embrace the source, and by accident. Most other Wilders undoubtedly do the same.

And why can't Sul`dam develop a block to protect themselves like any other wilder? Remember, while you have to be able the channel to use an A`dam, you can have a block and use it, as Nynaeve demonstrated.

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The reason that an a'dam works is that it is a forced link. It doesn't require the power because you just put it on, unlike some other ter'angreal we have seen where you need to channel into it. A Sul'dam could not channel into because she has never embraced the source, remember she only feels complete when she is with a damane who has embraced the source. Otherwise she would feel the joy of saidar by herself.

I could be wrong, its been known to happen, but I think that my reasoning is pretty concrete on this. If you have any evidence other than opinion, please provide the quote and page number (either RPG or the Novels), and I will be happy to look at it and revise my conclusion.
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And again.. whether or not you have learned to embrace the source doesn't matter. Its quite possible that Sul`dam embrace the source every time they use an A`dam, without realizing it, and just don't get that its a part of them and not the Damane.

But the thing is.. you said you don't need to channel into it. Right. But you do need to be able to channel to use it. Period. If you can't channel, then you can't use an A`dam. If your severed, or shielded, the A`dam is a useless piece of metal to you, and a bounding constraint to the Damane. And as I've said.. people have used the source without ever knowing it. And Sul`dam are probably all Wilders, with the Block: While not toughing an A`dam.

Remember something. All 'Magical items' in WoT require something to activate. For some, anyone can use them as long as they are alive. But some, like an A`dam, require someone who can channel. Its pure, and its simple, in game terms and in logical ones.

A`dam requires someone able to channel. If something removes the ability of the person using it to channel.. they can't use it anymore. Period. And before you clain that severing and shielding are different.. Nynaeve described a sever weave as being like a sharpened version of a shield weave. The only difference being that instead of blocking something temporarily, it cut it.

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posted March 06, 2003 06:22 AM      Profile for The Great Gray Skwid   Email The Great Gray Skwid    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Melriken:
Point 3: If you have been severed you can not control a Damane with an A'dam (look to Matt escaping with the three damane, I believe the search for sul'dam to use includes the idea to use someone who had been severed, but it has been a while)

Well, Elayne and Nynaeve test out Moggy's a'dam with Siuan and Leane in the Prologue of LoC, and then Setalle Anan tries to use one in Chapter 29 of WH. It's unclear exactly what Setalle experienced, but Siuan and Leane definitely got more than a non-channeler would. They didn't get any control of Moggy at all, but they did get the warder-esque lump of sensations and emotions in their heads. Non-channelers get nothing at all, aside from a cold bracelet on their wrist rather awkwardly attached to someone else's neck.

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given the above the real question is:
Does shield act as a temporary Sever, or does it do less?
Both are described as preventing someone from touching the source, but leaving them able to sence it.

No.

Severed individuals (and those within a stedding or Far Madding) are no longer able to even sense the True Source. Shielded individuals can.

That might be important. It might not. There simply isn't enough information to make that call definitively at this point, so in the end we are in agreement. GM's call.

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posted March 06, 2003 11:01 AM      Profile for Blackdraman   Email Blackdraman    Edit/Delete Post
I would like to thank one and all for their opinions and points of view.
I have used the information to come to the conclusion that :in my games: Shielded Sul'dam's loose control of the Damane. I do agree that uncontrolled Damane are limited to 0 level weaves and 1/4 their Slot Pool, to show the little they can do and how hard it is for them to do it.

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