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posted March 25, 2003 01:38 PM
Okay I have
a question. Our party had an NPC accompanying them and this
was her story. She is from Tar Valon and was kind of a
"tomboy." She prefered the sword to dolls and tea parties. Her
dream was to train as a warder, but that wasn't allowed. So
she disguised herself as a man and entered into the town
guard. She became a very proficient swordsman (..er
swordswoman) and eventually got in with an elite guard
group.
This is were things come into our party. She was
sent with the pary on a mission for the White Tower (the tower
still believes her to be a man) while on this mission she was
injured in battle and rendered unconcious. When the party's
Aes Sedai, healed her she also checked the wound (heal check).
This required the Aes Sedai to remove her shirt and what do
you know; now they know that she is a woman.
Well the party not only decided to keep her
secret, but the party's Aes sedai is a Green with two of the
party members already bonded to her. Knowing that the woman
always wanted to be a warder she up and bonded the woman to
her. Here in lies the problem.
Does this woman have to
keep up the disguise? Would the White Tower accept her as a
warder? Would they force the Aes sedai to terminate the bond?
Would there be some disiplinary action if they found
out?
Lots of questions. Any
answers?
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Generality
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posted March 25, 2003 02:08 PM
I don't
think it's POSSIBLE to terminate the bond without the death of
one of the linked. If it were possible, they probably would
have unbonded Birgitte. I think, as with Birgitte, other Aes
Sedai would simply have to accept a female Warder. I don't
think this would harm the Green's standing; female Warders are
forbidden merely because it is believed that a bond between
two women would be too strong and that they might wind up
imitating one another (a possibility that should probably have
rules).
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Freya
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posted March 25, 2003 02:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Generality: I don't
think it's POSSIBLE to terminate the bond without the death
of one of the linked. If it were possible, they probably
would have unbonded Birgitte. I think, as with Birgitte,
other Aes Sedai would simply have to accept a female
Warder.
If they really, really objected,
they could make the Aes Sedai pass the bond to another. And,
personally, I don't think they would have 'unbonded' Brigitte.
They disapproved, no more. Elayne had high enough standing in
the Power to elicit no more than disapproval.
quote:
I don't think this would harm the Green's
standing; female Warders are forbidden merely because it is
believed that a bond between two women would be too strong
and that they might wind up imitating one another (a
possibility that should probably have
rules).
At the worst, the Green would gain a little reputation
(infamy) around Aes Sedai for bonding a woman.
And,
female warders are not "forbidden" in any way, just
"against tradition," there is a difference.
Nowhere do I recall there being any mention on what
effects a female-female bond would have, until we saw
the effects with Elayne and Brigitte. I think you are skewing
the timeline.
-------------------- felicia AKA
Freya Culadin
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posted March 25, 2003 02:34 PM
Remember
this is your game. Once you buy it and you and your game group
set any house rules it's yous to do with as you please. Male,
female, ogeir, shock horror a shadowspawn! Bond who you want
within the bound of the rules set by the game master. If the
green bonds the whole party, thats between them and the judge.
If a blue who already has a warder bonds a PC or NPC to keep
them from dying or to keep them in line, the punishment or
result fall to the judge. Have fun with it. Make the party
sweet it out for a while. Use it as a plot hook to drive the
game.
In the game that I am curently running I have as
many as six different plots going at once. Each of my players
have pulled me to the side to say "I want my character to be
doing such and such... but I don't want the rest of the party
to know!"
Remember the house judge has final say, but take
a few minuites and talk out of character to your game group
and air your ideas. If nothing else the judge can use your own
ideas against you!
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skyman
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posted March 25, 2003 03:13 PM
I agree.
THis situation could lead to good roleplaying
possibilities.
Of course, there would certainly be
dissaproval among the Aes Sedai, and this could lead to a
conflict. Hmm, this looks like an adventure
hook...
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later to everyone unless they serve the Dark One, and only
fools are willing to pay that price." -Lan
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Steve Russell
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posted March 25, 2003 03:36 PM
Leave it up
to the players to keep it a secret or not the Aes Sedi would
look down upon it but its not like she bonded her against her
will.
She has already been trained by warders so there
is no big deal for her taking the warder class (though getting
her a warder cloak could be a problem if she stops her
disquise)
as far as upsetting the timeline, BAH! the
books only cover 1,757 people. The world population is a
little higher (hell most towns are) and even the Tower does
not know everything (they don't even know what they think they
know)
Just encourage them to keep it a secret (its not
like male wilders don't have bigger secrets to hide) Secrets
are part and parcel to the WoT.
Now as to Men bonding
Men and Women bonding Women. If i bust my butt, I might be
able to come up with some rules before the netbook closes
(there is still the Asha'man
bond.)
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Xythlord
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posted March 25, 2003 03:53 PM
Ok, so what
does everybody think that the bond should do for same sex
bonding?
Also just how does the bond that the Asha'man
cast differ from that of the Aes
Sedai?
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about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
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Generality
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posted March 25, 2003 09:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Freya: If they
really, really objected, they could make the Aes
Sedai pass the bond to another.
Passing a bond only works on death, which would result
in the woman being a warder even
longer.
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skyman
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posted March 25, 2003 09:28 PM
About the
Asha'man bond, I'm not sure but I think the bond was more
mutual, i.e. the channeler didn't so much control the
recipient of the bond as share thoughts with
her.
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later to everyone unless they serve the Dark One, and only
fools are willing to pay that price." -Lan
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Steve Russell
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posted March 26, 2003 12:37 AM
As to same
sex bonding lets see documentation Uncontrolled
Empathy that feend on itself, drunkeness, Menstration, and
Sexual pleasure,
Anything that seems affected by bio
rythyms, hormones, the subconcious?
Diffrencess between
the bond seem to flow from the intent. The Warder Bond was
origionally designed to be a tool and a benifit for a Trusted
Armsmen to help Defend those constrained by the Three Oaths.
The Ashaman bond was origionally designed for use between man
and wife
What? sky man go back and read
One the
Ashaman bond made the Aes Sedi do what an Ashaman said without
even thinking about it (making tea, hiding themselves, being
at a certin place at a certin time). Also the bond apparently
enhances sex. You also know that a specific part of the
person's body can is hurt at a range of over a thousand miles
(I am researching it)
Plus there seems to be no
ability to resist this at all so I would guess it is perhaps
Fortititude for Aes Sedi instead of Will? This seems to be
almost compultion in some ways. Another the Ashaman learn this
by a kiss so there is the self restricting limitation of how
you learn a bond.
As far as mind reading goes Gabrella
says it is empathy not mind reading by her description, this
also fits with jur gradys comments.
Generaality is
also wrong an Aes Sedi can terminate the bond at anytime (rand
makes this perfectly clear when he tells alanna to do
so).
Generality is also wrong again Brigitte documents
a case of an Accepted being forced to tranfer her warder's
bond to another and then the tower chose a new warder for her.
I will continue to reseach the Ashaman's bond
So far the only refrences I have found appear in the
following
ACoS: Chapter 27 To Be Alone Jur Grady
explains the bond, along who worked it out TPoD: Chapter 26
The Extra Bit Logain explains the kissing is part of the
bonding (learned restriction) WH: Prologue Snow Tovaine
Gazal (talks about how the bond feels and affects her) CoT
Prologue glimmers in the pattern Gabrelle POV (talks about
how the bond feels and affects her)
The Fustrating
thing is no Logain PoV or a PoV from an Aes Sedi who has had a
warder.
I am half tempted to leave this lie but It will
be two years untill another book so....... Grady tells
Perrin that he has a wife named Sora. Some of the Asha'man
have begun bonding their wives. An Asha'man named Canler
figured out how and taught the others. Taim was angry about
them figuring out things on their
own.
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Luna_Luciferi
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posted March 26, 2003 12:58 AM
You can
always "change your mind" with some nasty
intrigues...
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Xythlord
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posted March 26, 2003 05:55 AM
I have
always been of the opinion that the bond used by the Asha'man
is of the same type as that used by the Aes Sedai, just that
the Asha'man use the Compulsion feature much more heavily than
any Aes Sedai would.
Like Steve said, originally the
Asha'man who figured out the bond weave used it on their
wives, and even the most cynical person would assume they did
this just to be able to "control" them.....very much like the
Aes Sedai bond. While the Asha'man use the bond to Compell
their Aes Sedai, we do have an example of an Aes Sedai
successfully compelling her warder, that of Lan to travel to
his new Aes Sedai (I forget the name of her, I think that it
starts with a M). The actions taken (to do as the channeler
commands) by those compelled seem very similiar.
I am
open to any arguments, though that would change my
mind.
As for the same sex bonding, most of these seem
likely that they could be covered by roleplaying with an
addendum to the bond weave about not being able to block the
bond (tying it in a knot...at least not for long, 1/2 duration
maybe?) About the drunkeness, if that affects them both, what
about extreme pain? As for Menstruation, it is quite common
that women that spend a lot of time together tend to develop
cycles at the same time.....this would only be worse with a
bond!
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posted March 26, 2003 06:34 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Generality: I don't
think it's POSSIBLE to terminate the bond without the death
of one of the linked. If it were possible, they probably
would have unbonded
Birgitte. and Passing a bond only
works on death, which would result in the woman being a
warder even longer.
Where, exactly, are you getting this?
Although
we have never seen a bond released in the books, we do have
dialogue implying that it can be done. The same situation
applies with regards to passing a bond to someone else while
both parties still live. We have not seen it done, but we have
dialogue which directly implies its feasibility.
I can
provide citations to this effect. Can
you?
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posted March 26, 2003 07:54 AM
Core
Rulebook pg. 167 second column third paragraph.
quote:
The
channeler can terminate the bond. Casting this weave in a
special modified manner ends the bond. The Warder does not
need to be touched (or even be present) for the termination
weave to take effect.
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great Enchanter?" "There are some who call me...
Tim?"
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posted March 26, 2003 03:09 PM
Two
Questions
One should there be a new weave or not or
even a new set of rules.
Two can anyone quote
diffrences between the Bond Warder and the Ashaman's
Bond.
here is what I have found
Ashaman must
kiss to form a bond (I believe this to be a learned limitation
similar to aes sedi casting of fireball requires hurling vs.
wise ones do not)
the Aes Sedai make their Warders give
oaths, obedience to the Aes Sedai isn't a function of the bond
itself? (V: 413) yet later it is shown that it can be used to
do so.
Alanna tried to compel Rand moments after
bonding him, but said it was like trying to uproot an oak with
her bare hands. (VI: 620) men have had no such problem with
women
[Male channeler vs. female channeler (this might
be part of the dicotomy of the one power a man and a women
linked the man must take the lead) I have not heard the Aes
Sedi try to compel thier bonded ashaman]
On the Female
warder issue. there are tales of female Warders, but they
are so old that Birgitte barely remembers them. (V:
409)
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skyman
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posted March 26, 2003 03:18 PM
I was under
the impression that the Asha'man bond used on the Aes Sedai
(with Compulsion) was very differnt from the bond used on
their wives (which is what I was talking about). However, it's
been a looong time since I read the books which talked about
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posted March 26, 2003 05:10 PM
I do not
think that gender makes a difference in regards to Aes Sedai
being able to compel their warder/s. I think Alannahs attempts
at compulsion over Rand failed either because he is taveren or
because of some other Dragon Reborn related reason. That Lan
was compelled to go to the Aes Sedai Moiraine had the bond
passed to shows it is possible to compel males, I also think
the Ashaman that were bonded are likely under some sort of
compulsion I just don't see how all of them could all of a
sudden be cool with the fact that they as Male Channelers and
Ashaman have definite ties to the tower who have thus far only
ever hunted and gentled males and beat the stuffing out of
Rand when they had him. Was a taveren present for this??
For a female warder amke sure the biological similarity is
role played as well as the shock the Aes Sedai feel should it
be revealed. If you are trying to keep to timelines, try and
have it revealed some time after Elayne and Brigitte are found
out. Some Aes Sedai seem more resigned to things after their
initial shock.
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posted March 26, 2003 05:55 PM
When
Myrelle used the Bond to compel Lan, she had to actively
channel to do so; Logain could compel Toviene (and presumably
Gabrielle) without doing anything like
that.
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posted March 26, 2003 06:15 PM
It would be
difficult to have this come out after Elayne and Brigitte. My
campaign is a couple of hundred years before Eye of the world.
It would be long wait even for an Aes Sedai. Besides, I don't really care to keep with the
timeline. I know there are a lot of purist out there, but I
don't like having my world dictated to me. I like to be able
to throw surprises at those who have read the books.
Okay I like all of the response, if anyone
has any other ideas I would like to here them. I find some of
the missunderstandings about the Warder bond and Ashaman Bond,
rather than place my responses to them I will just refere to
Steve's posts. It's hard to add to a guy who obviously has all
of the books memorized.
I'll leave it up to the players as to
whether they reveal the secret or not. Either way it will be
an awesome opportunity to roleplay.
[ March 26,
2003, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: Sharn_Penndroen ]
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Freya
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posted March 27, 2003 07:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Russell: Two
can anyone quote diffrences between the Bond Warder and the
Ashaman's Bond.
the Aes Sedai make their Warders give
oaths, obedience to the Aes Sedai isn't a function of the
bond itself? (V: 413) yet later it is shown that it can be
used to do so.
AFAIK, we've only seen one Warder give
an oath when he was bonded, and that was Lan to Moiraine. And
she didn't ask for it, he gave it as a true Borderlander would
do to his new Lord/Lady.
quote:
Alanna tried to compel Rand moments after
bonding him, but said it was like trying to uproot an oak
with her bare hands. (VI: 620) men have had no such problem
with women
I agree with Twistedbutsane on this
one. Rand is the ultimate mulehead. He is the Dragon Reborn.
He is never a good example of how things work for 'normal'
channelers.
And yeah, I think we have yet to get a
point-of-view of an Aes Sedai trying to compel her bonded
Ashaman. At the very least, we see third-person how Narishma
jumps whenever his Aes Sedai gives him a command. (although it
sounds like she has a dominatrix persona with her
Warders)
quote:
On the Female warder issue. there are
tales of female Warders, but they are so old that Birgitte
barely remembers them. (V: 409)
I could have sworn that memory was of one female
Warder long, long ago. It was significant that it was only
one.
Also, drothgery, can you quote where Myrelle said
that she had to 'actively channel' to compel Lan to come to
her? I'm sure she had to actively concentrate to use the
compulsion part of the bond (because wouldn't want to leave
Moiraine unavenged), but 'actively channel(ing)' would seem a
bit much. Especially considering very, very few Aes Sedai know
the compulsion
weave.
-------------------- felicia AKA Freya
Culadin
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posted March 27, 2003 10:13 AM
If Myrelle
had to actively channel or even concentrate, how is it that
Moraine knew that at her death Lan would feel a pull to his
new Aes Sedai.
If it was Myrelle's doing did she just
know to call him because she could feel the new bond. Or was
this Moraine's doing. Did she set-up her pass bond weave in
such a way that the moment she died Lan would feel compelled
to go to Myrelle. I mean she knew that he would be one of
those Warders that would throw himself into a battle and hope
to die after losing her, so did she plan for
this.
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posted March 27, 2003 10:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Freya: Also,
drothgery, can you quote where Myrelle said that she had to
'actively channel' to compel Lan to come to her? I'm sure
she had to actively concentrate to use the compulsion part
of the bond (because wouldn't want to leave Moiraine
unavenged), but 'actively channel(ing)' would seem a bit
much. Especially considering very, very few Aes Sedai know
the compulsion weave.
It certainly seemed like Myrelle was doing something
with the Power when she met Lan after the bond passed to her;
I could be mistaken, but that's how I read
it.
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posted March 27, 2003 01:11 PM
I think
that everyone is making this a little harder than it has to
be. 1st: There are only two "Official" game books for the
WOT game. --- You have a male half and a female half of the
source. --- You are a Wilder or an Initiate (or a multi
class between the two) --- None of the weaves are dicetcted
into male or female only groupings. --- The order/grouping
that a character takes Affinities is the only gender specfic
subject surounding weaves. --- All other selection of
Affinities & Talents is up to the player. 2nd: Any use
of "Netbooks" or any other type of material is up to the judge
that is running the game. His word is law. 3rd: Use the
hands to cast or not, kiss the target, or spit on them. Any
quirks that the player and/or judge want to place on the
character are plot and roleplay devicies. 4th: Most
importantly this is a game. Have fun. Sit your group down and
decide what works for YOUR
group.
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tells you that you are breaking your Palladian’s alignment
remind him that your character came from a dysfunctional
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posted March 27, 2003 03:30 PM
Sharn_Penndroen
my apologizes for taking your
topic so far off topic. You may want to use the warder bond
from UtDB which allows you to mask the warders bond. Xythlord
and I agree that you should lessen the duration. I believe
that perhaps you should apply -2 circumstance penelty to the
Aes Sedi's actions during situations due to deeper intamacy of
the bond unless the Aes Sedi makes a composure cheack. (hey
and maybe you are the story briggete cannot
remember)
quote:
we've
only seen one Warder give an oath when he was bonded, and
that was Lan to Moiraine.
Elayne complains about Briggite not obeying her and
then she remembers overhearing warders giving
oaths.
quote:
I think
Alannahs attempts at compulsion over Rand failed either
because he is taveren or because of some other Dragon Reborn
related reason
I don't think the problem is rand I believe it is
because he is a male channeler this would fit with the male
having to lead in a two person circle, he also has the feat
bullheaded, He also hold the power at the time she tries to
compel him and Inside the void it appears to be more difficult
to compel Rand. (see Liandrin book 2)Even Alaana relates to
his being able to channel
As to the Male Asha'man
being compelled there is not even the hint this has been done
(Damer and Jahar are noted for disobediance and loving thier
Aes Sedi)
A note Aes Sedi they are bonded too are those
sworn to rand and have saved rands life or assisted in the
fight for his freedom a dumi's wells.
quote:
I will
just refere to Steve's posts. It's hard to add to a guy who
obviously has all of the books memorized
First I believe if you post you should know what your
talking about. Second I have read the books all the way
through at least 5 or 6 times (some books more) execept for
CoT which I am on my second read. Truthfully I cheat, I use
the following links to research my answers.
http://tsos.rarcoa.com/Concordance-TOC.html
http://wot213.tripod.com/links/wheel_of_time_background_links.htm
For
the Record I am on board with Xythlord about a new weave not
being neccessary (though I would change the name to Bonding),
but I may revise some rules for Gender isssues (Asha'man, Aes
Sedi, Female Warders, Wives etc.) because the Weave as listed
only deals with warders and I do use the Warder's Weave from
Under the Dragon's Banner.
quote:
If
Myrelle had to actively channel or even concentrate
Myrelle compels Lan through their bond with a touch of
Spirit so delicate he won't feel it. (VI: 652)
quote:
The
order/grouping that a character takes Affinities is the only
gender specfic subject surounding weaves., All other
selection of Affinities & Talents is up to the
player. Any use of "Netbooks" or any other type of
material is up to the judge that is running the game. His
word is law. 3rd: Use the hands to cast or not, kiss the
target, or spit on them. Any quirks that the player and/or
judge want to place on the character are plot and roleplay
devicies. 4th: Most importantly this is a game. Have fun.
Sit your group down and decide what works for YOUR group.
First off there are two fronts to this Issue Lore
monkeys and Balance monkeys (Im a Lore Monkey)
you are
correct Rpging is about fun my characters have fun because
they want to play in RJ's World and every problem with the
rules that does not match the books annoys them otherwise we
would go back to my world and play DnD.
Yet I will
address this. One you forget Weavesight, Learning, Bonus
Weaves, Maddness and Linking being gender issues of game
mechanics. As for gender not being an Issue it is one of the
primary Themes of the WoT if you missed that look at it this
way "Because men and women did not work together they were
unable to defeat the dark one." (that's straight RJ)
As
for the rules yes a GM is a master he gets the final guess at
how it should go. Yet even the offical rules are subject to
interpretation and every GM I know has thier own house rules.
(my rules for wilder's blocks and learning weaves are quite
difficult and dangerous) Guess what there likely will be no
more official material for the WoT: Wotc will not pay the
licence. Now I recently learned that Call of the Horn was
trying to become the Offical Website of the RPG I would whole
heartedly support anything that encouraged the growth of this
RPG. You may distain the Netbook (personally i am apprecaitive
of all the work for no pay) and only use offical jargan. Yet I
will always appreciate more toys.
I am sorry If that
came out harch but I have recently become aware of the fact
that people involved in the netbook and websites are feeling a
bit rejected. Hell my game would not have been nearly as much
fun without people like Eosin the Red, MAB, Shadowkiller,
Vish, and Xythlord (sorry to anyone I forgot)
They are
the people who will help keep this message board alive an give
us something to talk about. (what will happen when The Wheel
of Time Rpg goes out of
print?)
-------------------- I have a reading lesson
with the Lady Riselle. She lets me rest my head on her bosom
while she reads to me. -Olver
Please visit and
review my Epic Level Homebrew Setting: A Brave New Worldat the Commonplace
Book.
From:
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quote:
Steve
Russell:
I don't think the problem is rand I believe it is
because he is a male channeler this would fit with the male
having to lead in a two person circle, he also has the feat
bullheaded, He also hold the power at the time she tries to
compel him and Inside the void it appears to be more difficult
to compel Rand. (see Liandrin book 2)Even Alaana relates to
his being able to channel
As to the Male Asha'man being
compelled there is not even the hint this has been done (Damer
and Jahar are noted for disobediance and loving thier Aes
Sedi)
A note Aes Sedi they are bonded too are those
sworn to rand and have saved rands life or assisted in the
fight for his freedom a dumi's
wells. ________________________________________________ PtLN
On the above subject I
agree. _________________________________________________
For
the Record I am on board with Xythlord about a new weave not
being neccessary (though I would change the name to Bonding),
but I may revise some rules for Gender isssues (Asha'man, Aes
Sedi, Female Warders, Wives etc.) because the Weave as listed
only deals with warders and I do use the Warder's Weave from
Under the Dragon's
Banner. __________________________________________________ PtLN
Yes the gender of the receipient/caster can have a diverse
affect of the weaves final outcome. I didn't meen to imply
diffrently. The weave listed in either the WOT handbook or the
Netbook doesnot specify gender to the best of my knowledge.
Don't crucify me if it does I don't have my copy of either in
front of me. But if it did the Briggit could not have been
bonded, am I
wrong? ___________________________________________________
quote:
The
order/grouping that a character takes Affinities is the only
gender specfic subject surounding weaves., All other
selection of Affinities & Talents is up to the
player. Any use of "Netbooks" or any other type of
material is up to the judge that is running the game. His
word is law. 3rd: Use the hands to cast or not, kiss the
target, or spit on them. Any quirks that the player and/or
judge want to place on the character are plot and roleplay
devicies. 4th: Most importantly this is a game. Have fun.
Sit your group down and decide what works for YOUR
group.
First off there are two fronts to this Issue Lore
monkeys and Balance monkeys (Im a Lore
Monkey) __________________________________________________ PtLN I
fall somewher inbetween the two. Just so you know that I can
keep an open
mind. ___________________________________________________ you
are correct Rpging is about fun my characters have fun because
they want to play in RJ's World and every problem with the
rules that does not match the books annoys them otherwise we
would go back to my world and play
DnD. _____________________________________ PtLN I
am with you so far with out
argument. ______________________________________
Yet
I will address this. One you forget Weavesight, Learning,
Bonus Weaves, Maddness and Linking being gender issues of game
mechanics. As for gender not being an Issue it is one of the
primary Themes of the WoT if you missed that look at it this
way "Because men and women did not work together they were
unable to defeat the dark one." (that's straight
RJ) ______________________________________________ PtLN OK.
I freely admit that I forgot the items you mention above, and
have no argument with them. But my point was that yes there
are two sides to the One Power but BOTH genders can accomplish
the same results (Except Rand, since he throws the rule book
out the window to start with!) even if it take longer or more
experience for one party or the other. That holds true in
life. My wife is better with money than I am but on the other
hand I am better at the computer.
___________________________________________________
As
for the rules yes a GM is a master he gets the final guess at
how it should go. Yet even the offical rules are subject to
interpretation and every GM I know has thier own house rules.
(my rules for wilder's blocks and learning weaves are quite
difficult and dangerous) Guess what there likely will be no
more official material for the WoT: Wotc will not pay the
licence. Now I recently learned that Call of the Horn was
trying to become the Offical Website of the RPG I would whole
heartedly support anything that encouraged the growth of this
RPG. You may distain the Netbook (personally i am apprecaitive
of all the work for no pay) and only use offical jargan. Yet I
will always appreciate more toys.
I am sorry If that
came out harch but I have recently become aware of the fact
that people involved in the netbook and websites are feeling a
bit rejected. Hell my game would not have been nearly as much
fun without people like Eosin the Red, MAB, Shadowkiller,
Vish, and Xythlord (sorry to anyone I forgot)
They are
the people who will help keep this message board alive an give
us something to talk about. (what will happen when The Wheel
of Time Rpg goes out of
print?)[/QB][/QUOTE] __________________________________________________ PtLN I
didn't meen to soud like one of thoes people that goes around
saying "Well it isn't an official product so it can't be worth
using." I myself have a copy of the Netbook as well as various
downloads from dozens of sites. I have incorporated various
parts of these into my campaig world.
Yes, it yanks my
chain that WotC are letting one of the best games around slip
through their fingers. I was unawere that Call of the Horn was
working to gain the "Official Website" status. COT is my
faviort WOT site! I even have a couple of postings there
(Warden of the Green, & a 2nd version of a Two Rivers
Archer.). I wish him all the luck in the hopes that a true fan
of the books and the game will get to run the show.
I
appalude all of the hard WORK (yes work! typing all that game
material is a job) that the Netbook team has done. My hat is
off to them.
No hard feelings on this side of the
screen. I've been married Since Aug. of 91' so no harm no
foul! I like a good debate any
way.
-------------------- Spinner of the Great
Wheel, Apprentice Lord of the Sith, Palladian of the Lawful
Naughty
Recipe for the Palladian of the Lawful
Naughty “Take 1 level of Rogue, add 2 or 3 levels of
Fighter then add multiple levels of Palladian. When your GM
tells you that you are breaking your Palladian’s alignment
remind him that your character came from a dysfunctional
background so burning the whole village to the ground to rid
the world of evil is ok from his point of view.”
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