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Topic: determining
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Steve Russell
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posted March 07, 2003 06:58 AM
I must be
losing my mind
I thought i remember reading about using
the weavesight skill to determine a person's ability to
channel (yes i understand you need different rules for each
half of the one power)
Is there a formula for
determining str in one power (not using one power slot
system)
If some one could point me in the right
direction it would be most
helpful
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Freya
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posted March 07, 2003 08:08 AM
There was a
method printed in the Prophecies of the Dragon book.
Basically, it's like the following:
Power = Int mod +
Wis mod + Cha mod + channeler level
Whether you agree
or not, that's what WoTC has put forth. ![[Razz]](Wizards_Com Boards determining strenghth in the one power_fichiers/tongue.gif)
-------------------- felicia AKA Freya
Culadin
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LuciusT
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posted March 07, 2003 09:50 AM
WotC
essentially decided to ignore stength in the One Power as an
unimportant peice of background color that did not seriously
need to be addressed in the game.
(Pity the actual
quote by Charles Ryan has long since been purged from the
boards but I'm pretty sure that's roughly what he said. )
PotD does contain a the afformentioned
fudge to correct at least part of that little error.
(Still bitter? Who me?)
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Steve Russell
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posted March 07, 2003 10:12 AM
I don't
like to bad mouth Wotc products, they saved dnd, they made the
D20 system, they Open licenced it. plus this is there message
board.
So i won't bad mouth them.
I will bad mouth Aaron Acevedo, Evan
Jamieson, Michelle Lyons, James Maliszewski, Charles Ryan, and
Paul Sudlow the designers for PotD
This is like the 100th time I have heard
something bad about PotD. I am so glad I did NOT BUY IT. Its
hard for a dedicated gamer who loves the WoT not to buy the
product to support the game but when you screw it up.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr.......
What were you guys doing? this does not even match up to the stats in the WoT
Rpg (I do understand it is hard to put a character from a
novel into game terms without breaking all the rules, at least
the big three were Ta'vereen.) given for Egwene, Elayne and
Avihenda all who are the same in potential. Its
Dumb.
Plus this violates the KISS clause of game
mechanics. Keep It Simple Stupid this makes no sense for a
wilder an int stat does not affect her channeling and wisdom
does not affect a initiate.
I could see maybe Wis+ Cha
bonus for wilders and Int for initiates (maybe a gm ruling
on inborn spark?) this would make sense but this violates kiss
too.
In my game I was using the prime channeling stat
with 23 being the top end (18 at 1st level +5 stat bonuses for
potential 13 for the average Aes Sedi due to the fact they
cannot travel) it worked out like
this.
23 Lanfear/Cyndane[F], Sharina[A], Alivia [D]
Sharina had more potential than even Nynaeve. Cyndane is
Lanfear. Alivia is somewhat stronger than Nynaeve.
22
Graendal[F], Mesaana[F], Talaan[S], Nynaeve[A],
Semirhage[F] Talaan was only slightly weaker than Nynaeve.
Talaan wants to be a novice.
21 Moghedien[F],
Someryn[W] Graendal notes Someryn as "not neglible", and
doesn't want to risk teaching her. Someryn beleives she is the
strongest living Wise One.
20 Tamela[W],
Viendre[W] Elayne thinks they are weaker than Nynaeve, but
stronger than her.
19 Aviendha[W], Egwene[A],
Elayne[A], Metarra[S] Metarra was nearly as strong as
Elayne.
18 Cadsuane[A], Nicola[A] Nicola could be
a level weaker.
17 Meilyn[A†], Karene[A†],
Therava[W] Galina notes Therava as stronger than any living
AS, but she likely believes Cadsuane is dead.
16-15 Elaida[A], Garenia/Zarya[K], Lelaine[A],
Moiraine[A], Romanda[A], Siuan[A], Raiyn[S] Alanna[A],
Amys[W], Bera[A], Galina[A], Kiruna[A], Kwamesa [A], Leane
[A], Myrelle [A], Reanne [K], Sheriam [A], Theodrin [A], Verin
[A], Merana[A], Rafela[A], Faeldrin[A], Masuri[A],
Kirstian[K] Alviarin [A], Anaiya [A], Beonin [A], Carlinya
[A], Movrin [A] Alviarin might be level higher. the problem
here could be Moiranie she channels balefire but I believe she
used a terangreal to cast it at level 8
14 Faolain
Orande[A], Melaine [W], Renaile[S] Faolain and Melanie may
be level higher. They are above average AS strength. These are
without doubt strong enough to Travel; Renaile opened a
Gateway in PoD.
13 Averaage AS who is not strong
enough to travel. Which is a level 4 weave.
Special
note: this only dealt with potential strength for females (men
are easy that is just level based and you have to be holding
all the power you can to be able to determine the
truth)
Does anyone else have a different way to do
it? Please Help before I start stalking
designers.
[ March 07, 2003, 10:15 AM: Message
edited by: Steve Russell
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drothgery
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posted March 08, 2003 08:58 PM
FWIW,
Steve's flavor text (and list of people at each level) is, for
the most part, from my Power Strengths page.
And
Moiraine used Balefire unaided. Jaine Caide (I may have
spelled this wrong) is the Black sister with the Balefire
rod.
-------------------- Dave Rothgery Picking
nits since 1976 drothgery@alum.wpi.edu http://drothgery.editthispage.com/
Optional d20 WoT Rules at http://home.san.rr.com/drothgery/wot_rpg.htm
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Steve Russell
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posted March 10, 2003 05:04 AM
oops
thought I put a special thanks in there for your sight
deepest apologies
-------------------- I
have a reading lesson with the Lady Riselle. She lets me rest
my head on her bosom while she reads to
me. -Olver
Please visit and review my Epic Level
Homebrew Setting: A Brave New Worldat the Commonplace
Book.
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drothgery
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posted March 10, 2003 01:42 PM
obGrammarian...
You didn't cite my site, but
that has nothing to do with my sight[1].
[1] Which is
terrible; I've worn glasses since 2nd
grade.
-------------------- Dave Rothgery Picking
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the last great
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posted March 10, 2003 08:27 PM
Steve, your
stat breakdown is nice. However, I think it would be safe to
say that Wisdom would be the default stat. This is what is
used to determine difficukty class modifiers to saving throws
against said weaves. Intelligence is important for initiates
more for the level of weaves they can cast. It does not
influence the "strength" of the weaves themselves. For
instance, a Harden Air weave is cast by 2 different initiates.
One has Int 18 and Wis 14. She could use the fifth level
version of the weave and make a bridge or hold a large
creature...but the creature would only have to resist a DC of
16. The other caster has the reverse: Int 14 and Wis 18. She
could not create the big bridge, but that trolloc would have
to resist an 18 to avoid paralysis. In my unsolicited humble
opinion, that is the strength refrred to. The saving throw
modefiers! Of course, this causes problems with getting
severed from the Power...
Perhaps it's best to just be
arbitrary...let the GM make the statement of how strong they
are based on his own judgement and trust that he or she is
being fair and honest.
-------------------- "Hail to
the king, baby!"
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Steve Russell
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posted March 10, 2003 09:58 PM
quote:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wisdom
would be the default stat. This is what is used to determine
difficukty class modifiers to saving throws against said
weaves. Intelligence is important for initiates more for the
level of weaves they can cast. It does not influence the
"strength" of the weaves themselves
Um I don't know how to tell you this but Page 53 WoT
Rpg "the Difficulty class for saving thrtows against initate
weaves is 10+ weave' level+ the intiate's Intelligence
modifier." wisdom applies to level and modifier for
wisdom.
All of a wilder's strengh is based in wisdom
(level and modifier though they do get bonus weaves for
cha)
All of an initiate's strength is based in
Int (level and modifier)
So even if you base it on
modifiers im still right. but you don't base things on the dc
of the spell you base it on the following:
Vandene says
to matt cauthon "we are not strong enough for some of the new
things" this refers to her inablity to travel which would
affect her level to cast not her saving throw
modifier.
An again i an idiot as for Moraine I was
refering to her angreal (not ter'angreal) that she carries."
if you assume her stat is 16 then a +2 terangreal would let
her channel an 8th level weave. (which fits what she says
about only being able to burn back a few seconds.)
I
could be wrong but im probably not.
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2003, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Steve Russell
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-------------------- I have a reading
lesson with the Lady Riselle. She lets me rest my head on her
bosom while she reads to me. -Olver
Please visit and
review my Epic Level Homebrew Setting: A Brave New Worldat the Commonplace
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Fahkrin
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posted March 10, 2003 10:51 PM
I wouldn't
think that strength in the power is a sole reflection of class
level, or even only attribute modifier. "Strength" in the one
power should reflect both Charisma, Intelligence, and Wisdom.
Level is more a reflection of skill and ability...strength in
the One Power is more akin to measuring up someone's
potential.
Charisma reflects strength of will...and a
good amount of channeling is able to resist the One Power's
seductive or destructive abilities. Intelligence and Wisdom
reflect the potential to wield the One Power.
I always feel as though detecting a person's
potential is a reflection of the One Power forming a
connection between the two channelers (such as Taim's
recruitment technique). The active channeler feels how
powerful a person COULD become (regardless of channelling
class).
And don't forget...this explains why
high-level Aes Sedai are always very powerful. Besides the
obvious placement of bonus attribute points (either
Intelligence, Wisdom, or Charisma), the prestige class
abilities of Composure will effectively increase Charisma.
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