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twistedbutsane
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posted March 04, 2003 05:27 AM
Despite
making the Channelling classes more powerful, I am thinking
about a way to make the channelling more true to the books.
Channellers are not restricted by talents so much in the
books. where it mentions talents for types of weaves it has
more to do with strength in a weave type eg heal, or a lack of
ability like not being so good at healing. I think
Channellers should have the ability to learn any weave, but
have a lessened result for those they do not have a talent
for, perhaps an effectiveness one slot lower than the level
the weave was cast at. this makes the lowest level of a weave
useless but that would be the result of someone having trouble
with that particular talent. Also I have been asked to lower
the level of the Bond Warder weave so it can be cast at the
earliest an initiate can multiclass into an Aes Sedai(level
6). Can anyone suggest something to balance these out? I
know it makes channellers significantly more powerful, but an
armsman vs a channeller? Even in the books the armsman would
be trussed up with air no
problem.
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Xythlord
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posted March 04, 2003 06:13 AM
Try
lowering the Bond Warder weave to level 5, this way an Aes
Sedai of 6th level can cast it (barely) if she overchannels.
Risky, but possible nonetheless.
I can't remember who
posted it, but sometime back there was a feat called Minor
Talent that would allow a channeler who chose it to pick two
talents that she could use, but only weaves of 0-4th level to
reflect only small ability within those talents (like healing
and Cloud Dancing for example). Try looking it up in the
search function.
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drothgery
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posted March 04, 2003 06:46 AM
Err....
Bond Warder is level 5. And since it's extremely
unlikely that anyone would be raised Aes Sedai without the
Conjunction Talent (too many signature Aes Sedai weaves are
here) or Spirit Affinity (it's really impractical not to get
this one), it's effectively level 4. The weave has to be high
enough level that Accepted can't do it without overchanneling,
which pretty much forces it to be level 5 Conjunction and pure
Spirit.
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Steve Russell
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posted March 04, 2003 11:15 AM
an easy
edition is the Feat Strong Talent Channeling feat by randy
madden found in Under the Dragon's Banner net book
one.
this will solve your problem and personally I
would like you to remember things like overchanneling, the
fact that one out of 25 men in the black tower burn themselves
out. And a first level Aes Sedi would on average be at lest a
9th level initiate (considering moraine is 8th and was
considered to have been raised quickly)
Finally Robert
Jordan approved the book damit I assume he knows what he is
talking about. Not every character is Egwene or Rand I mean
look at their stats.
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drothgery
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posted March 04, 2003 01:57 PM
Two things
--
1) Jordan did look at the book; he didn't nitpick
over it to anywhere near the degree we did. Which is why, as
experienced d20 gamers who also nitpick over Jordan's novels,
we know the character write-ups of Rand & co. in the
rulebook almost all have serious issues -- in the rulebook,
Moiraine is arguably the most powerful channeler, and can
certainly hold her own with Rand and Nynaeve.
2) It's
quite possible to take initiate levels after being raised to
the shawl, and after a few levels of Aes Sedai, it often makes
sense to do so from a game mechanics perspective (you
certainly want the Extra Talent, Extra Affinity, and Improved
Resources, but after that it's borderline). I figure a typical
Aes Sedai as 5 ini/4 AS, a newly raised Aes Sedai as 5 ini/1
AS, and a weak but experienced and politically influential AS
will often be 5 ini/2 AS/x
Noble.
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Steve Russell
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posted March 04, 2003 03:53 PM
a Rule book
vs. novels will always have a serious issue you will never
ever get it right. (look at novels based on dnd and a certin
dark elf)
as for my average Aes Sedi to be honest, I AM
AN IDIOT, I had not thought of the taking them later (I don't
know why). Thank you Drothgery
I am posting average
warriors on the board for now and will work on average
channelers next sounds like a very good
topic
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Xythlord
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posted March 04, 2003 04:21 PM
Oh, lets
not go and take all the credit for being an idoit....I do seem
to have managed my own personal blunder .
quote:
Err.... Bond Warder is level 5.
But since drothgery has been picking nits since long
before I joined this board I can't feel too badly .
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Lord Schpungus
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posted March 04, 2003 04:24 PM
Kind of on
the same topic, does anyone feel that there should be a
channeler NPC class, or do you guys just give your NPC Aes
Sedai/Wise Ones subpar stats to limit their casting abilities?
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drothgery
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posted March 04, 2003 04:52 PM
Well, I
think there should be, and it should be called 'Wilder'; the
by-the-book Wilder is incredibly overpowered relative to any
purely self-taught channelers we've seen or heard about. But
that's another argument
entirely...
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Steve Russell
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posted March 04, 2003 05:07 PM
the easiest
way to par down a wilder is for the GM to pick thier feats,
weaves and skills you won't be so uber if all you know is
listen to the wind.
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Talan Palaemon
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posted March 05, 2003 02:28 AM
quote:
Channellers are not restricted by talents so much in the
books. where it mentions talents for types of weaves it has
more to do with strength in a weave type eg heal, or a lack
of ability like not being so good at healing.
I totally agree. In my campaign we are experimenting
with the following system:
The rule about being able to
learn all 0 or 2nd level weaves are cancelled.
All
Channelers know the Elementalism Talent (which is not
considered a Talent).
A Channeler can learn all weaves,
but if the weave comes from a Talent she doesn't know the
maximum level of effect is the modifier of the Channelers
primary Ability (Int for Initiates, Wis for Wilders). In
addition the weave is considered to be one level lower (like
if you lack all Affinities - and it is considered 2 levels
lower if you lack both Talent and Affinities).
The
result is that you can learn all weaves, but that you will be
stronger (i.e. use lower Weave slots and cast the weave at
higher levels) with weaves from the Talents you have - and
weaker with weaves from Talents you don't have.
So far
it seems to work.
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Talan Palaemon
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posted March 05, 2003 02:36 AM
code:
since it's extremely unlikely that anyone would be raised Aes Sedai without the Conjunction Talent (too many signature Aes Sedai weaves are here)
I have always felt that the Conjunction Talent were
really lousy: Some of the weaves (i.e. Trace, Sense
Shadowspawn etc) are 0 level and can be used by everyone.
Compulsion is lost, but Bond Warder is essential for most Aes
Sedai. An Aes Sedai would thus have to use a feat to learn
1 weave
I have considered simply adding these weaves
to Warding. Anyway Conjunction is an invention by the book
designers and are not mentioned in the books.
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Sharn_Penndroen Member Member
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posted March 05, 2003 05:45 AM
I don't
think that Conjunction talent is explicitly mentioned in the
book, but it does refer to the fact that a few Blacks have the
talent with Compulsion. Of course it could just be that given
that it is a lost weave that not many people know it. A good
comparision would be to decide if Liandrin had talent with
Warding if you wanted to place those weaves in that Talent.
Another Talent that is a one weave talent is Balefire, but I
don't think that anyone would mind taking that talent if they
could learn that weave. ![[Wink]](Wizards_Com Boards Making the power more like the books_fichiers/wink.gif)
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LuciusT
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posted March 05, 2003 08:20 AM
Regarding
Jordan reviewing the book, this is from an interview posted on
wotmania
quote:
3.
How accurate is the information in the WoT RPG? For
instance, it says that Taim was captured by Black Ajah. In
your books, though, you seem to leave this issue open to
debate. Does your official approval of the game extend to
its plot interpretations?
I didn't consult with
them on interpretations at all, really. I was trying to let
them set up situations where the game could be played
parallel to to the story arc, or perhaps outside it. I did
try to find anything that contradicted the books, or what I
intended in future books, and I caught a few errors when
going over their galley proofs. I would have asked them to
remove this, had I caught it.
Given that the particularly subplot involving Taim
represents the bulk of a chapter of PotD, I no longer put much
stock in Jordan reviewing the RPG (even less than I did
before, which wasn't a lot).
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The Great Gray
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posted March 05, 2003 12:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by drothgery: Well, I
think there should be, and it should be called 'Wilder'; the
by-the-book Wilder is incredibly overpowered relative to any
purely self-taught channelers we've seen or heard about.
For females, that holds true, to the best of our
knowledge (although I wonder about Cads' mysterious
"teacher"). For males, not so much. False Dragons often are,
by all accounts, quite the powerful and accomplished
channelers. All on their
own.
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twistedbutsane
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posted March 05, 2003 03:28 PM
I think I
might integrate those rules you posted into my campaign Talan
Palaemon, thanks.
Also yes, bond warder is a level 5
weave but an Initiate 5/ Aes sedai 1 doesnt get to cast a
level 4 weave until she attains a seventh level, without
overchannelling that is.
There is no reason to
restrict the multiclassing of a cahnneller into Aes Sedai
until later levels, the Initiate class doesn't represent the
full span of an Accepteds term as an Accepted. They might have
been an accepted for years before becoming a level one
Initiate, I think the class is just to recognise the fact that
they were formally trained. I mean this in the way that a
person could grow up and fight all the time but only when that
person is trained enough are they eligible to be called a
fighter or armsman.
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drothgery
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posted March 05, 2003 03:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gray
Skwid:
quote:
Originally posted by drothgery: Well, I
think there should be, and it should be called 'Wilder';
the by-the-book Wilder is incredibly overpowered relative
to any purely self-taught channelers we've seen or heard
about.
For females, that holds true, to the best of our
knowledge (although I wonder about Cads' mysterious
"teacher"). For males, not so much. False Dragons often are,
by all accounts, quite the powerful and accomplished
channelers. All on their own.
But the overwhelming majority of men who can channel
aren't False Dragons, and even False Dragons typically aren't
known for breadth of skills; they're known for power. A 15th
level Warrior can thrash a 7th-level Armsman, and the same
principle would apply if Wilder had been written up at NPC
class power levels.
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