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The mighty anarchist
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posted March 14, 2003 05:53 AM      Profile for The mighty anarchist      Edit/Delete Post
I have a player in my group who just became a warder. He doesn`t want to have the goups channeler as his aes sedai, so I have to create an npc to him. But I don`t like to have npc`s running along with the players, espessially not a aes sedai, who is a pritty bad class.
Should I let a aes sedai run along with the group, and share the xp with her, or have anyone som other good ideas?

Btw: why does all the characters from the book have psycho stats, which is impossible to get when using the system in the book?

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Steve Russell
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posted March 14, 2003 06:10 AM      Profile for Steve Russell   Email Steve Russell    Edit/Delete Post
a good deal for this would be a retired aes sedi, a aes sedi whose duties do not allow for adventrue such as a cronicler of the white tower library a sitter in the hall, the head of an ajah, or an advisor to a king or queen.

that way he has to go on missions for her but she is never around.

or how about a red who secretly has a warder that would keep her down to a minimum

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posted March 14, 2003 06:48 AM      Profile for Freya      Edit/Delete Post
*shrugs* There's nothing saying that he has to be bonded immediately. Maybe he wasn't selected when Aes Sedai looking for Warders made their selections.

Steve's idea works too...an Aes Sedai who's so busy she can't leave her post, but is more than happy to send her Warder as an errand boy. [Wink]

As for NPCs running with the PCs. We always have (at least) two NPC party-members in our games. They are the GMs 'mouthpieces', if needed. And in group decisions, since there are usually two, they always 'happen to' vote opposing eachother so their votes cancel out. (leaving the decision to the PCs) NPCs are a good thing. Now, with the D&D "NPCs thin out the experience points" mentality, I can see why some people wouldn't like them. Just remember, this isn't D&D.

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posted March 14, 2003 12:51 PM      Profile for Lady Shalimar   Email Lady Shalimar    Edit/Delete Post
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I have a player in my group who just became a warder. He doesn`t want to have the goups channeler as his aes sedai, so I have to create an npc to him. But I don`t like to have npc`s running along with the players, espessially not a aes sedai, who is a pritty bad class.

Umm... this isn't a problem. He cannot be a warder. There is no being a Warder without being bonded, just doen't happen. You can be a warder without the Warder prc, but it doesn't go the other way around, you must already be bonded to take it.

So the real question is what can I do to get him an Aes Sedai, right?

If you don't want to put in an Aes Sedai, then don't its not your responsibility to put one in for him. Not many Aes Sedai would just bond someone they don't know. And they truly are powerful in the extreme. Its not up to him whether or not someone will bond him, he gets the chance to say no, and he has to hope they don't. Thats simply the way it is. He can't do anything about it if she wanted to.

I would tell him that he can't be a warder unless someone bonds him, and the only one with that ability is the one he doesn't want to be bonded to. If he wants to be a warder, then he has to deal with the consequences.

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posted March 14, 2003 01:40 PM      Profile for Freya      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Lady Shalimar:
[QUOTE] Umm... this isn't a problem. He cannot be a warder. There is no being a Warder without being bonded, just doen't happen. You can be a warder without the Warder prc, but it doesn't go the other way around, you must already be bonded to take it.

Maybe I am assuming wrong, but I figured the character-in-question just completed Warder training in the Tower. Technically, he is Warder-trained...he just doesn't have the bond with an Aes Sedai to make it official. And according to the GM, he doesn't want to introduce a NPC Aes Sedai to fill that role. That is the dilemna. Warder-trained wannabe-Warder has no Aes Sedai to bond him. What is a GM to do? [Razz]

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posted March 14, 2003 01:49 PM      Profile for Steve Russell   Email Steve Russell    Edit/Delete Post
as proven by rand you don't need his permission it could be a green who is black ajah hmmmmmmmmmm...............

wow you could have a whole party bonded against there will and the dm could make them go where he wants no more "but i want to go talk to the trolloc"

nope players would quit the game first

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posted March 14, 2003 02:27 PM      Profile for Lady Shalimar   Email Lady Shalimar    Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Freya:
[QUOTE]Maybe I am assuming wrong, but I figured the character-in-question just completed Warder training in the Tower. Technically, he is Warder-trained...he just doesn't have the bond with an Aes Sedai to make it official. And according to the GM, he doesn't want to introduce a NPC Aes Sedai to fill that role. That is the dilemna. Warder-trained wannabe-Warder has no Aes Sedai to bond him. What is a GM to do? [Razz]

Well, even if he is tower trained, he is still only an armsman(assuming he was trying to get Warder asap), not a warder. The warder PrC requires being bonded first, that is a requirement. He hasn't been bonded, so he doesn't meet the requirements.

I would point out that PrC's are not a god given right. That said if the DM doesn't want put in an NPC to bond the warrior in question which is what he has said, then he doesn't have to. That simple. If the warder to be really wants to be a warder and the GM wont put in an npc, then his only choice is the initiate with the group.

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posted March 14, 2003 03:07 PM      Profile for finnmckool   Email finnmckool    Edit/Delete Post
Yeah I gotta agree. This is just my opinion, but I think it's kinda unfair that he expect you to give him an NPC Aes Sedai. I wanted to be a warder too, but nobody in my party is an Aes Sedai, so I went to Blademaster instead. I mean, sure you could give him an Aes Sedai, it's your game, and that's cool. But I wouldn't have asked for it. If he really wanted to be warder he would have bonded with the Aes Sedai in the group.
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posted March 14, 2003 04:49 PM      Profile for Lt.Cmdr.VaSuvik      Edit/Delete Post
What if you put in an NPC AS who bonds the Warder PC but she is mortally wounded soon after in a battle (beyond the ability of the PC AS to Heal) and, in order to keep her new Warder from going crazy/suicidal, as a last breath act she is forced to transfer her bond to the only AS around (namely the PC AS).

You could even set it up so that the PC AS "promises" to pass on the bond to an AS "worthy" of the Warder "when the time is right".

Actually I have another idea which may be a bit radical (and may only be partially supported by the books). What about a male Ashaman (sp?) bonding the Warder?

As to why an Ashaman would bond a Warder, perhaps he is not as skilled with the sword as Rand demands (perhaps he is a lesser version of Professor X where he has strong channeling powers but is physically impaired or just very physically weak). Now how a Warder would get bonded to a male channeler... well that could be an interesting story (perhaps a "sneak attack" like what happened to Rand?).

-----Spoiler-----

After all we know they can bond AS and it seems that there is very little that female channelers can do that male can't (single sex linking is one but both sides have learned how to heal stilling).

Just a couple of ideas.

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posted March 14, 2003 08:28 PM      Profile for Thantrax   Email Thantrax    Edit/Delete Post
Depending on his level... here's how I would do it. Have him take an Aes Sedai as his follower. Don't make her as passive, but he would hold some authority since he decides how to keep her safe. This would also keep a good control on how powerful she should be and such. It tells you how to divy XP, loot, everything. She could even become a great adventure hook for you if she were bullheaded, and go into danger and force the Warder to rescue her.
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posted March 15, 2003 07:48 AM      Profile for Chel'adar Tamero   Email Chel'adar Tamero    Edit/Delete Post
I don't see the problem of a NPC aes sedai. I've been bonded (pretty much without her asking it) when this aes sedai was captured by seanchans in Falme, and I kinda rescued her with the group I'm in.....only thing is I took over the quest as GM, so I'm kinda writing the aes sedai and me to the background (I'm in a bit of a nifty situation...I'm bonded with an aes sedai, and I'm pretty much a wolfbrother.....little bit of a perdicament). But I don't see the problem of an NpC aes sedai joining the group....It works pretty good for our group. Aes Sedai arew the women in power, who can send the group on adventures, and could become a binding element of the group (in our group, there were some struggles between players, the only thing keeping the group together was all players loyalties towards the Aes Sedai)

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posted March 15, 2003 12:49 PM      Profile for Tiedra   Email Tiedra    Edit/Delete Post
In our game if someone wanted to be a warder, but hadn't found, or convinced a Sister to bond him, the DM would give him the warder prestige class, but he isnt a warder. He would not get the cloak, he would not get any of the benifits of the bond, and he would only get d10 hit points per level. When and if he convinced a Sister to bond him he would get the rest of the hit points, the cloak, and all the other bennies.

That way the player could get some of the benifits that a high level apprentice could have (ie some of the class abilities), but not all of them. It would also carry the understanding that if he never convinced a Sister to bond him, then he would have to find himself another prestige class, and would probably sub out the levels of warder for something else...although this has never happened.

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posted March 16, 2003 08:26 AM      Profile for The mighty anarchist      Edit/Delete Post
Thx for the tips everyone, I think I go with the advise by Russell, it suites my campaign pritty much. [Angel]
Btw, In my oppinion armsmenn who are training to become warders should get all the bennefits for the warderclass which are related to the training.

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