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Dortamur
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posted January 08, 2003 05:45 PM      Profile for Dortamur      Edit/Delete Post
Players of my campaign, please read no further! [Mad] [Big Grin]

Has anyone used wards much in their campaign? I haven't seen much discussion on them here.

Here's a few questions:

In the RPG Book, most/all the wards are described as having a visible effect - although now re-reading the descriptions: "... appears as a dome ..." could be taken as "... appears as a dome to channelers of the same gender able to do weavesight ..."

Ward against People stops people outside the dome from entering, yet everyone inside the dome can pass back and forth through it. Is this weave featured in the novels at all? I can't remember where. Do you think it would be plausible for a variant to allow everyone to pass through who is OUTSIDE the ward? ie; use it to imprison people?

Where is the Ward against the One Power used in the novels? It seems quite powerful.

The People ward says "The area of this weave cannot overlap, contain or be contained within another warding weave". Why not? Ok, "overlap" I can understand, but if it's effectively a barrier, why can there not be another ward within it, or outside of it, if they don't overlap? The Power Ward contains no such disclaimer...

I'd be interested in any thoughts people have on these issues, be they pro-RPG rulings or not. I'm toying with the idea of using wards quite a bit in my next session, but one of my primary concepts will only work with some alterations to the RPG rules. I don't mind breaking those rules, but I prefer any breakings to be done with good reason, and not go further against the Books.

What I want to do is use a People Ward just outside a Power Ward, to hold prisoner a group of channelers. The Channelers inside won't be able to dispel the People ward, as the Power ward would block it. [Big Grin]

Further to this, where does "channeling" originate? ie; which part of the body? Is it a whole body thing? Head? Heart? Finger? ie; if in the prison I described, there was a small gap between the two wards, would a channeler be able to stick a finger through the Power ward to then slice the People ward? What effect would channeling have if the channeler was standing across the border of the Power ward?

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JosephKell
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posted January 08, 2003 10:56 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
Actually you make a good point, my male channeler did that to a Black Ajah after she shielded his battery *cough* i mean female channeling companion... The beauty of Ward Against the One Power is that it is an effective barrier against the one power, You can fire arrows through it, throw rocks through, Arms of Air boulders down hills through it... And while they can walk through the Ward, doing so allows someone who delayed their action to fireball the *bleep* out of them!

Think of Ward Against One Power as the lower level Channeler's Shield.

I just started reading CoT yesterday, and I got some insane ideas for my next male channeler... (Shielded/Severed female channeler pimping! He he he he he he he he)

[Roll Eyes] Kell: You are crazy Joseph.
[Big Grin] Joseph: I know.

<Ackward silence>

<Followed...>

<By...>

<Long pause>

[Devilish] Kell: So who is the first wench?!
[Evil Smirk] Joseph: Thought you would never ask!

[Confused] Jonathan: I really need to keep them under control!

P.S. Channeling originates from the middle of a person to the best of my knowledge. And remember the distance between the Wards can be so small as no being could really say where one started and another ended. Look at the Gateways! Those things are infinitely thin, talk about a "close" shave. He he he he he he he.
[Frown] Joseph and [Dubious] Kell:...
[Razz] Joseph: And we need to be restrained?

[ January 08, 2003, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: JosephKell ]

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Dortamur
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posted January 09, 2003 04:09 AM      Profile for Dortamur      Edit/Delete Post
Gateway is different though - that is one weave, whereas doing two wards, one within another (assuming ignoring the "no nested wards" bit in the RPG book), is two separate weaves, positioned near each other. I think it would be quite hard to position them with minimal gap between them...
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posted January 11, 2003 01:30 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
Question: Does Ward Against the One Power block balefire? Or does Balefire cut through it and in effect be a crazy powerful Ward Bore?

[Devilish] Joseph: Hey, Aes Sedai, hold still while i balefire that shield off of you! he he he he..
[Frown] Kell: Jonathan, he is scaring me.
[NoNoNo] Jonathan: Me too Kell, me too...

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posted January 11, 2003 02:45 PM      Profile for Shadowkiller      Edit/Delete Post
1. I have always thought about the possibility of inverting the ward, not the weave, the ward so basically the inside faces out and the outside faces in. I would allow my players to do that if they wished.

2. I decided for my game that Ward against the One Power would block balefire. Balefire has only ever effected creatures and objects. The One Power is which of these two? Neither is what I say.

We have never seen Balefire touch any weaves(can't remember every detail, correct me if Im wrong and site example please) so we dont know how it will effect them, well except for when Rands Balefire touched the Wanderers Balefire, but we can never be sure about that cause they both touched Mashadar at the same time and that kind of creates a paradox since one balefiring Mashadar into the past would make the other not need to so he wouldnt but both touched at the same time so which winks out, if both then Mashadar didnt disappear and then they both would have balefired...etc. [Angel]

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Dortamur
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posted January 11, 2003 06:06 PM      Profile for Dortamur      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks for the ideas.

I do see the Power Ward similar to Matt's medallion. Perhaps it's similar technology to what the Gholam's use too.

I'm a little afraid of using it, as one of our channelers has l33t Weavesight, and the down-side of using cool channeling combos and ideas is when your players use them back at you later. [Big Grin]

So, how do you break the Power Ward? If you can "slice" it (based on Books, and a weave in UtDB), then that'd be too easy. If you can't "slice" it, then it could be quite hard.

Perhaps, taking the parallels with Shield from the OP, and Book info, you could try & brute-force against knots in the weave (if it is tied off). Hmmm.

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posted January 11, 2003 09:59 PM      Profile for Psyrunner   Email Psyrunner    Edit/Delete Post
We were running a high level campaign recently and the subject of Balefire vs Wards (Master and Power wards were the one) came up. The way we handled it was that the Balefire was blocked, but destroyed the ward in the progress (it was essentially taken out of the pattern).
I don't think that would be the case though with any of the others as Balefire isn't affected by wards against sight, sound or shadowspawn.

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posted January 12, 2003 03:57 AM      Profile for Shadowkiller      Edit/Delete Post
I said for my game, cause I make these rulings all the time, that slice would affect Power Ward because slice is aimed at the weave itself and power ward only blocks weaves from entering, not weaves that are centered on it.

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