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KSB snow owl
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posted May 30, 2003 05:25 PM      Profile for KSB snow owl   Email KSB snow owl    Edit/Delete Post
How does everyone deal with channelers learning weaves from the lost talents? Do you require that the character get the talent feats in the hope that they may one day see the weave? Or would you allow them to make the weavsight check (perhaps with a penalty) to learn the weave, but not allow them to cast it until they have taken the feat for the lost weave's talent?

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posted May 31, 2003 10:29 AM      Profile for The Great Gray Skwid   Email The Great Gray Skwid    Edit/Delete Post
I would use the second of the tactics you used, although there wouldn't be a penalty. If the weave is one that they couldn't cast at its minimum level unaided by an angreal, though, I probably would add a penalty, or not allow the weavesight check at all.

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posted May 31, 2003 02:06 PM      Profile for Sharn_Penndroen   Email Sharn_Penndroen    Edit/Delete Post
I recently ran into this problem in my campaign. The AS in the group has Sense Residue and she saw where a woman had made a Gateway. I let her see it and figure it out, but didn't let her cast it until she took the Talent. My reasoning: It took her a little time to figure out the strange lost weave even after having seen it.

So I would go with the second method that you mentioned as well.

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posted June 01, 2003 12:07 AM      Profile for TheFlatline      Edit/Delete Post
Well, the way I run with it is just how the book states it. If you're an initiate, you're only allowed 0-level weaves not in your talents. Wilders can use (IIRC) up to level 3 out of talent weaves.

If a character sees a lost weave, they make their weavesight check, and if that's successful, then they know the weave. They may not be able to use it unless they have the proper talent though. They may know how it is worked, but it may just be too "complicated" to weave at that point without practice.

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posted June 01, 2003 06:40 AM      Profile for Snow Crash      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah what flatline said . They can learn it they just cannot cast it til they get the talent.

eg was one of the wise ones in the books showed cadsuane the gateway weave. She said I am not strong enough to be able to make this work but I can show you the weave.

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posted June 01, 2003 07:12 PM      Profile for Fisher-King      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah...

It makes little sense for a channeling character to waste his (VERY valuable) feat slots on Balefire if he never expects to have a chance to learn it. However, if he does, he'll beat himself upside the head for hours about it.

I go one step further... I only allow wilders to use 3rd and lower slots, and Initiates to use 0th level slots, to cast cross-Talent weaves. However, they can overchannel using these slots normally (allowing their level to indirectly impact their cross-Talent channeling - it makes it easire to hit the Concentration DC to overchannel) or using angreal... though one of my house rules prevents overchanneling through an angreal that has its buffer - AKA, basically all of them.

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posted June 02, 2003 03:32 AM      Profile for Sharn_Penndroen   Email Sharn_Penndroen    Edit/Delete Post
Not to be a stickler, Flatline, because I agree with you but actually according to the RPG, a Wilder can only cast 0,1,2 level weaves that are cross class.

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Also like initiates, wilders excel only within their Talents. Due to their flexibility, however, a wilder may learn and cast and 0-level, 1st-level, or 2nd-level weave, regardless of whether it is within one of his or her Talents. A wilder may only learn and cast weaves of 3rd level or higher if they are within one of his or her Talents.
WoTRPG p.60

According to the book also this applies to learning weaves and not just casting weaves. I do feel however that a good house rule would be to allow a person to learn a weave but not use it until they take a Talent in that area (unless they can cast it witout having a Talent). I feel, as you said that this more accurately depicts the Books.

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posted June 03, 2003 01:13 PM      Profile for An'Sulaar      Edit/Delete Post
While it is technically possible for an extremely talented individual to learn a weave simply by seeing it, I would add a good level of roleplaying to it. Rememeber this...the weave is lost... why? if it were so easy to learn it simply by seeing it then the weave would never have died out, especially one so useful.

I would force a player to be taught these weaves. Remember rand learned his only after forcing one of the forsaken to teach him over the period of months. He had seen the weave cast many times before, and therefore knew it was one he needed to learn.

So then why allow a player to learn soemthing so valuable simply by catching a glimpse of it, especially if the single greatest hero couldn't?

Keep the lost weaves lost... and the learning of them entire adventures in themselves. That being the mark of a skilled story teller...

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posted June 03, 2003 07:41 PM      Profile for Sharn_Penndroen   Email Sharn_Penndroen    Edit/Delete Post
Good Point.

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