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The mighty
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posted March 14, 2003 05:53 AM
I have a
player in my group who just became a warder. He doesn`t want
to have the goups channeler as his aes sedai, so I have to
create an npc to him. But I don`t like to have npc`s running
along with the players, espessially not a aes sedai, who is a
pritty bad class. Should I let a aes sedai run along with
the group, and share the xp with her, or have anyone som other
good ideas?
Btw: why does all the characters from the
book have psycho stats, which is impossible to get when using
the system in the book?
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Steve Russell
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posted March 14, 2003 06:10 AM
a good deal
for this would be a retired aes sedi, a aes sedi whose duties
do not allow for adventrue such as a cronicler of the white
tower library a sitter in the hall, the head of an ajah, or an
advisor to a king or queen.
that way he has to go on
missions for her but she is never around.
or how about
a red who secretly has a warder that would keep her down to a
minimum
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Freya
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posted March 14, 2003 06:48 AM
*shrugs*
There's nothing saying that he has to be bonded
immediately. Maybe he wasn't selected when Aes Sedai
looking for Warders made their selections.
Steve's
idea works too...an Aes Sedai who's so busy she can't leave
her post, but is more than happy to send her Warder as an
errand boy.
As for NPCs running with the PCs. We always
have (at least) two NPC party-members in our games. They are
the GMs 'mouthpieces', if needed. And in group decisions,
since there are usually two, they always 'happen to' vote
opposing eachother so their votes cancel out. (leaving the
decision to the PCs) NPCs are a good thing. Now, with the
D&D "NPCs thin out the experience points" mentality, I can
see why some people wouldn't like them. Just remember, this
isn't D&D.
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Freya Culadin
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Lady Shalimar
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posted March 14, 2003 12:51 PM
quote:
I have a
player in my group who just became a warder. He doesn`t want
to have the goups channeler as his aes sedai, so I have to
create an npc to him. But I don`t like to have npc`s running
along with the players, espessially not a aes sedai, who is
a pritty bad class.
Umm... this isn't a problem. He cannot be a warder.
There is no being a Warder without being bonded, just doen't
happen. You can be a warder without the Warder prc, but it
doesn't go the other way around, you must already be bonded to
take it.
So the real question is what can I do to get
him an Aes Sedai, right?
If you don't want to put in an
Aes Sedai, then don't its not your responsibility to put one
in for him. Not many Aes Sedai would just bond someone they
don't know. And they truly are powerful in the extreme. Its
not up to him whether or not someone will bond him, he gets
the chance to say no, and he has to hope they don't. Thats
simply the way it is. He can't do anything about it if she
wanted to.
I would tell him that he can't be a warder
unless someone bonds him, and the only one with that ability
is the one he doesn't want to be bonded to. If he wants to be
a warder, then he has to deal with the consequences.
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Freya
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posted March 14, 2003 01:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Lady
Shalimar: [QUOTE] Umm... this isn't a problem. He
cannot be a warder. There is no being a Warder without being
bonded, just doen't happen. You can be a warder without the
Warder prc, but it doesn't go the other way around, you must
already be bonded to take it.
Maybe I am assuming wrong, but I figured the
character-in-question just completed Warder training in the
Tower. Technically, he is Warder-trained...he just doesn't
have the bond with an Aes Sedai to make it official. And
according to the GM, he doesn't want to introduce a NPC Aes
Sedai to fill that role. That is the dilemna. Warder-trained
wannabe-Warder has no Aes Sedai to bond him. What is a GM to
do? ![[Razz]](Wizards_Com Boards What do I do with a warder_fichiers/tongue.gif)
-------------------- felicia AKA Freya
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Steve Russell
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posted March 14, 2003 01:49 PM
as proven
by rand you don't need his permission it could be a green who
is black ajah hmmmmmmmmmm...............
wow you could
have a whole party bonded against there will and the dm could
make them go where he wants no more "but i want to go talk to
the trolloc"
nope players would quit the game
first
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Lady Shalimar
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posted March 14, 2003 02:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Freya: [QUOTE]Maybe I
am assuming wrong, but I figured the character-in-question
just completed Warder training in the Tower. Technically, he
is Warder-trained...he just doesn't have the bond with an
Aes Sedai to make it official. And according to the GM, he
doesn't want to introduce a NPC Aes Sedai to fill that role.
That is the dilemna. Warder-trained wannabe-Warder has no
Aes Sedai to bond him. What is a GM to do?
Well, even if he is tower trained, he is still only an
armsman(assuming he was trying to get Warder asap), not a
warder. The warder PrC requires being bonded first, that is a
requirement. He hasn't been bonded, so he doesn't meet the
requirements.
I would point out that PrC's are not a
god given right. That said if the DM doesn't want put in an
NPC to bond the warrior in question which is what he has said,
then he doesn't have to. That simple. If the warder to be
really wants to be a warder and the GM wont put in an npc,
then his only choice is the initiate with the group.
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finnmckool
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posted March 14, 2003 03:07 PM
Yeah I
gotta agree. This is just my opinion, but I think it's kinda
unfair that he expect you to give him an NPC Aes Sedai. I
wanted to be a warder too, but nobody in my party is an Aes
Sedai, so I went to Blademaster instead. I mean, sure you
could give him an Aes Sedai, it's your game, and that's cool.
But I wouldn't have asked for it. If he really wanted to be
warder he would have bonded with the Aes Sedai in the group.
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Lt.Cmdr.VaSuvik Member Member
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posted March 14, 2003 04:49 PM
What if you
put in an NPC AS who bonds the Warder PC but she is mortally
wounded soon after in a battle (beyond the ability of the PC
AS to Heal) and, in order to keep her new Warder from going
crazy/suicidal, as a last breath act she is forced to transfer
her bond to the only AS around (namely the PC AS).
You
could even set it up so that the PC AS "promises" to pass on
the bond to an AS "worthy" of the Warder "when the time is
right".
Actually I have another idea which may be a bit
radical (and may only be partially supported by the books).
What about a male Ashaman (sp?) bonding the Warder?
As
to why an Ashaman would bond a Warder, perhaps he is not as
skilled with the sword as Rand demands (perhaps he is a lesser
version of Professor X where he has strong channeling powers
but is physically impaired or just very physically weak). Now
how a Warder would get bonded to a male channeler... well that
could be an interesting story (perhaps a "sneak attack" like
what happened to Rand?).
-----Spoiler-----
After all we know they can
bond AS and it seems that there is very little that female
channelers can do that male can't (single sex linking is one
but both sides have learned how to heal stilling).
Just a couple of
ideas.
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Thantrax
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posted March 14, 2003 08:28 PM
Depending
on his level... here's how I would do it. Have him take an Aes
Sedai as his follower. Don't make her as passive, but he would
hold some authority since he decides how to keep her safe.
This would also keep a good control on how powerful she should
be and such. It tells you how to divy XP, loot, everything.
She could even become a great adventure hook for you if she
were bullheaded, and go into danger and force the Warder to
rescue her.
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Chel'adar
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posted March 15, 2003 07:48 AM
I don't see
the problem of a NPC aes sedai. I've been bonded (pretty much
without her asking it) when this aes sedai was captured by
seanchans in Falme, and I kinda rescued her with the group I'm
in.....only thing is I took over the quest as GM, so I'm kinda
writing the aes sedai and me to the background (I'm in a bit
of a nifty situation...I'm bonded with an aes sedai, and I'm
pretty much a wolfbrother.....little bit of a perdicament).
But I don't see the problem of an NpC aes sedai joining the
group....It works pretty good for our group. Aes Sedai arew
the women in power, who can send the group on adventures, and
could become a binding element of the group (in our group,
there were some struggles between players, the only thing
keeping the group together was all players loyalties towards
the Aes Sedai)
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posted March 15, 2003 12:49 PM
In our game
if someone wanted to be a warder, but hadn't found, or
convinced a Sister to bond him, the DM would give him the
warder prestige class, but he isnt a warder. He would not get
the cloak, he would not get any of the benifits of the bond,
and he would only get d10 hit points per level. When and if he
convinced a Sister to bond him he would get the rest of the
hit points, the cloak, and all the other bennies.
That
way the player could get some of the benifits that a high
level apprentice could have (ie some of the class abilities),
but not all of them. It would also carry the understanding
that if he never convinced a Sister to bond him, then he would
have to find himself another prestige class, and would
probably sub out the levels of warder for something
else...although this has never happened.
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The mighty
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posted March 16, 2003 08:26 AM
Thx for the
tips everyone, I think I go with the advise by Russell, it
suites my campaign pritty much. Btw, In my oppinion armsmenn who are training to
become warders should get all the bennefits for the
warderclass which are related to the
training.
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