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Eosin_the_Red
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posted March 27, 2003 10:39 PM      Profile for Eosin_the_Red   Email Eosin_the_Red    Edit/Delete Post
Hey guys,

I thought I would nip this little bug in the rear end. At one point Xythlord, Philosoper Jac, Jason of Dragonmount and myself did talk about approaching both RJ and WoTC seeking to become an “official site.” That would clear up a great many issues that any rpg fan site that does not fall under the umbrella of the d20 license faces – a cease and desist order in the ole in-box. Ultimately, (in November) I choose not to pursue that course of actions for many, many reason – not the least of which is burn out. Additionally, my feeble grasp of probability indicated that I was more likely to cause a problem than to solve it. WOT, unlike all of the other official fan sites is a licensed product. I checked out the other licensed WOTC products and none of them had the nod. Sometimes it is best to leave well enough alone.

I do appreciate the e-mails I receive and I do have an update planned for sometime in the near future but mostly I avoid the site to give myself some UN-burnout time. Also, I made a deliberate effort not to post here, hard after more than a year or so of hanging out [Smile] But I still surf by everyday or two.

CotH will remain hanging out on the net for as long as it can. I thought that the other day I saw a reference to lack of traffic being sited as part of my withdrawal? Before posting, I checked with my server and the site is still as busy as it was 8 months ago. I hope that it will remain so for some time.

Another person has asked on the boards about the Shadow Made Flesh – the Trolloc Wars setting. I have great hopes that one day I and Xyth will hammer the rest of that section out, but what is stopping those of you who have wrote to me about how much you love that section from helping it grow? I am cool with seeing someone else pick up that ball and running – you can even use the stuff available (Xyth, you ok with that?).

Last part, I still toy with the idea of doing the Trolloc Wars as an online birthright style PbeM where the players would assume the role of regents/kings/merchant princes/Ajah Heads. The major malfunction here is wrapping my head around the scope of the game.

PS – anybody who thinks we took heat over the Netbook should read some of the posts at the Official Birthright site – Holy jeepers, I think the forums are still smoking.

Sorry for lumping this all together.

Later,

Eosin

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twistedbutsane
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posted March 28, 2003 03:25 AM      Profile for twistedbutsane      Edit/Delete Post
I understand that the Aes Sedai that the Ashaman were bonded to were sworn to Rand and had saved his life but I still think it would be a big leap from appreciating their aiding of Rand to becoming connected to Aes Sedai and the Tower for the rest of their lives. I also couldn't see an Aes Sedai wanting potential madmen linked to them for life unless they could control them somehow.

Liandrin successfully used compulsion on rand in Sheinar so male channellers can be compelled (though she was actively channeling at the time). Is it only through the bond that women are supposed to be unable to compel men? (I think I lost sight of the conversation somwhere [Big Grin] )

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posted March 28, 2003 07:03 AM      Profile for Freya      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by twistedbutsane:
I understand that the Aes Sedai that the Ashaman were bonded to were sworn to Rand and had saved his life but I still think it would be a big leap from appreciating their aiding of Rand to becoming connected to Aes Sedai and the Tower for the rest of their lives. I also couldn't see an Aes Sedai wanting potential madmen linked to them for life unless they could control them somehow.



The reasoning I remember seeing for the Bonding was that Taim placed the names of anyone not currently in the Black Tower grounds on the "Traitor's Tree" (or whatever they called it). That included Narshima, Flinn, and the rest. So, if they returned to the Tower to wait for Rand, they would be 'tried' and executed as traitors. And, given the big fight Rand had with Dashiva in Cairhein, they couldn't just hang out in Cairhein by themselves waiting for Rand to return. (If I skewed the timeline, please correct it.) The Aes Sedai had proven themselves loyal to the Dragon Reborn and trustworthy. The Aes Sedai saw their situation and offered protection. The Ashaman took it.

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Liandrin successfully used compulsion on rand in Sheinar so male channellers can be compelled (though she was actively channeling at the time).



The argument over 'actively channeling' was a question of using the compulsion component of the Bond, not about someone actually weaving compulsion. But, as you pointed out, male channelers can be compulsed.

The question was can male channelers who are bonded be compulsed by way of the Bond? People seem to think that because Rand withstood Alanna's attempt to compulse him, all male channelers are beyond compulsion via the Bond. A few people have pointed out that Rand is not your average male channeler so applying what happens to him to every male channeler is flawed logic at best.

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Is it only through the bond that women are supposed to be unable to compel men? (I think I lost sight of the conversation somwhere [Big Grin] )

See explanation above. [Smile]

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From: dallas,tx | Registered: Jul 2002  |  IP: Logged
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posted March 31, 2003 07:28 PM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Freya:
The question was can male channelers who are bonded be compulsed by way of the Bond? People seem to think that because Rand withstood Alanna's attempt to compulse him, all male channelers are beyond compulsion via the Bond. A few people have pointed out that Rand is not your average male channeler so applying what happens to him to every male channeler is flawed logic at best. [Smile]

Freya hit this on the head. The majority consensus here is has been that for whatever reason, Rand can easily resist the compulsion aspect of the warder bond; however, this does not preclude other male channelers from being so compelled. If it were so, it would likely be true for male and female channelers - which it is not, so male channelers (like any warder) makes a will save or is compelled.

Now an alternate possibility:
Because male channelers are constantly fighting to control saidin, they are more used to a battle of will than women who surrender to saidar, leaving a viable conclusion. Male channelers fight everything foriegn to their own will, including being compelled through the bond without thinking, giving them a circumstance bonus on the will save (still possible to compel, but not as easy), while female channelers used to surrendering, gain no bonus leaving them to the base will save bonus (making it slightly easier to compel). This can work both ways granting a bonus on the compulsion done by men, and on their save.

This is purely speculation and should not be taken to be a statement of personal agreement with the proposed hypothesis. [Wink]

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posted April 03, 2003 07:12 AM      Profile for Torln   Email Torln    Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by aleshandre:
quote:
Originally posted by Freya:
A few people have pointed out that Rand is not your average male channeler so applying what happens to him to every male channeler is flawed logic at best. [Smile]

Freya hit this on the head. The majority consensus here is has been that for whatever reason, Rand can easily resist the compulsion aspect of the warder bond; however, this does not preclude other male channelers from being so compelled. If it were so, it would likely be true for male and female channelers - which it is not, so male channelers (like any warder) makes a will save or is compelled.

Now an alternate possibility:
Because male channelers are constantly fighting to control saidin, they are more used to a battle of will than women who surrender to saidar, leaving a viable conclusion. Male channelers fight everything foriegn to their own will, including being compelled through the bond without thinking, giving them a circumstance bonus on the will save (still possible to compel, but not as easy), while female channelers used to surrendering, gain no bonus leaving them to the base will save bonus (making it slightly easier to compel). This can work both ways granting a bonus on the compulsion done by men, and on their save.

I do agree and actually say that your above suggestion makes for a very good and clear houserule. In fact mythos-wise making sense, hence seeming far more feasable.

I say the reason for Rand not be compulsed by Alanna is he was within the void (emotional/mental detachment) and had a DAMN-high save.

(then again haven't got the book, so probably talking complete rubbish here!)

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posted April 20, 2003 09:58 PM      Profile for Sophiathegreen   Email Sophiathegreen    Edit/Delete Post
I see nothing wrong with female warder being bond to than female Aes Sedai. All instrution are convesrate by nature and they donot like change of any type good
or bad. They mightnot like it at all but it the female warder succed on than inportant mission the tower willnot take any action against but merely say it against tradition. But they arenot going to encought female warder.

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