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redrigger4567
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posted April 14, 2003 10:28 AM
i have a
question. my group was facing a male and female channler, they
were linked. my 2 channlers wanted to counter their weaving,
but i did not know how to hadle this, beacuse the bad guys
were linked. please help
me.
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Whitewinds
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posted April 14, 2003 10:47 AM
I'd say
that yes, the weave could be countered - though in this case,
I'd also rule that there was a good chance of both countered
and countering weaves going awry (possibly in a very
spactacular fashion), due to the woman's inability to directly
affect the saidin elements involved.
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redrigger4567
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posted April 15, 2003 08:32 AM
hello
again another question came up out of game. one of the
female channlers asked if they could of learned the weave,
from the linked pair. i told her no, beacuse of the
saidine<sp> involved in it. i was thinking what kind of
modifier would that get if i allowed it? just to clarify
someting, a man can see saidar when linked to a woman, and
vice versia. or am i
wrong?
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Whitewinds
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posted April 15, 2003 12:58 PM
Yes and no.
From what we see at the end of Winter's Heart, women in links
still can't tell if a man's holding saidin, nor can men see
the glow of a woman holding saidin, though any member of a
link can feel what's happening and being done with both halves
of the Power within that link. It is, however, implied that
men and women can both percieve weaves of either side while in
the link - effectively, they "borrow" the ability from each
other. That being said, I would rule that no channeler not
linked to another of the opposite gender could learn a
saidin-saidar weave by use of Weavesight.
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Whitewinds
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posted April 15, 2003 01:54 PM
I would say
that a weave created from both sides of the Power would be
impossible for a channeler not in a link with the opposite
gender to learn via Weavesight.
It's clearly implied in
the climax of Winter's Heart that any channeler in a link can
see weaves of either or both sides of the - after all, some
circles led by men defend against female Forsaken, and
contrariwise. But men and women still cannot tell of
channelers of the opposite gender outside the link are holding
the Source.
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Xythlord
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posted April 15, 2003 05:07 PM
You might
want to think twice about letting channelers learn weaves of
the opposite gender while in a multigender circle. I am not
saying this just to be a jerk, but you can justify it both by
the book and game balance.
The problem, game balance
wise, is that many weaves that are know by the Aes Sedai are
unkown to the Asha'man and vise-a-versa. This would present an
excellent way for players to link just to learn a few new
weaves. I think that allowing a multi-gender circle leader to
see and counter weaves is a great boon, but perhaps learning
them is a bit much.....but I may be a little cautious in this
case, more so than needed. I just remember two channelers in
my very first game making sure that they did not pick weaves
that overlapped because they could learn them from each other
later on in the first gaming session. This could be worse in a
higher level game with Heal Stilling, Craft Cuendillar,
Traveling and other "lost" weaves.
For a book reason,
in the circle Rand was in, even as he used saidar to
for the "conduit" it shaped itself in a way totally unexpected
to him and alien to what he would have crafted with
saidin. Now, a female channeler in a circle seeing a
male channeler weave a Fireball, would probably not be able to
duplicate it, as the weaves would be different than what she
would cast with saidar. One really good example of this
is the Gateway weave. If a woman attempted to duplicate how a
man does it, she would be Screwing the Pooch!
Like I said before, this may be me
overreacting somewhat, but better to be safe than
sorry.
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infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure
about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
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Whitewinds
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posted April 16, 2003 01:00 AM
Let me
rephrase slightly: If a channeler is in a male-female link,
and witnesses a weave that uses both saidin and saidar, then
the channeler should be able to learn that weave as normal -
as a mixed weave, not a single-side weave, meaning that if
your female channeler learns how to create a mixed-weave
fireball, she can't cast fireball on her own - she must be
leading a male-female link.
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Sophiathegreen
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posted April 16, 2003 01:32 AM
I have than
game that have all spell list by MR (magical resising) the
more powerful the spell the highter the MR is. You can cast
than spell unlearn at than very % change of it not working
of something going wrong. You can sent time reduceing the MR
to zero which mean going thought the step to cast the spell
but either not casting the spell fully or in a safe
envionment. This might be than handly rule to apply to learn
weave from being than a circle or by weavesight.
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Sophiathegreen
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posted April 16, 2003 01:34 AM
O I forgot
the spell wasnot fully learn until you reduce it to MR 0.
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Malachite
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posted April 22, 2003 06:25 PM
I'd say the
weave counts as a weave of whatever gender led the circle. In
the mechanics, linked circles seem to behave as a booster for
the weaving of one of the
participants.
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