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Heron_Marked_Blade
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posted February 11, 2003 08:29 PM      Profile for Heron_Marked_Blade      Edit/Delete Post
I would use this. I think it compares favorably to the other channeling classes, and I like the WoT flavor: it definitely fills a gap in the RPG that was previously unfilled regarding male channelers who begin in the Black Tower.

Male Wilders can crossclass into this class once they arrive at the Black Tower. Standard procedure from there, I assume? I.e. add up channeling levels to determine weaves per day, etc, etc?

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posted February 11, 2003 09:20 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
which one do you mean Heron?

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posted February 11, 2003 09:28 PM      Profile for Eagle Prince   Email Eagle Prince    Edit/Delete Post
Well... now it pretty much looks like a wilder with a few minor changes. He assumedly has a better bonus feat list, but with such low BAB Weapon Focus or Power Attack would be pretty useless. Before he got increased madness, only a couple bonus weaves, no block (but men could already get rid of that at level 1), Initiate weaves per day, missed out on the Wilder's non-Talent weave bonus, worse slow aging, a stricter code, simple and martial weapon proficiencies, and he could pick up about half of the armsmen bonus feat list instead of a channeling bonus feat. Probably some other stuff I'm not remembering. I just think it should be different enough to warrent a new class rather then looking more like a varient Wilder class.

I'd consider at least changing the 2nd level bonus feat to Improved Unarmed Strike to force them to take it. IMO the Black Tower would force them to learn it, so it seems right.

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posted February 11, 2003 10:19 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
yes they could get rid of a block at level 1, but that uses a precious feat that a wilder needs to qualify for Asha'man by level 6. Unless the GM lets the wilder multiclass into Initiate (book version) if they want to become an Asha'man fastest. I did change it a bit.

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posted February 12, 2003 06:36 AM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
I don't recall the Black Tower training in unarmed melee. I do remember that Rand told Taim to have the men train with the sword. I just don't think that the improved unarmed would be appropriate, though I do like the first version a little beter overall. How about a merge of some kind to improve balance alittle, while maintaining as much of the WoT flavor of the Soldier class as possible? [Wink]

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posted February 12, 2003 06:41 AM      Profile for Heron_Marked_Blade      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by JosephKell:
which one do you mean Heron?

I like the second posting, but I think I'd increase the BAB. I know it makes them more powerful, but I think it reflects their martial training. I see them with the same sort of BAB as a noble; they can't stand up to an armsman in pure combat, but they are much better in melee combat than a Wilder or Initiate.

I like the saves, defense, and feat progression in the second posting as well. Could someone give me a quote or book reference to where men in the Black Tower are being trained in unarmed combat? I know Rand trained with the Aiel, and I know the men were trained in swordwork, but I don't remember them being trained in unarmed combat... If there is no book reference, I would not give them Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat.

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posted February 12, 2003 01:19 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
I changed the bab back.

Actually Rand had to force Taim to teach them the sword, why would he impress more martial abilities on them?

[ February 12, 2003, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: JosephKell ]

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posted February 12, 2003 04:23 PM      Profile for Xythlord   Email Xythlord    Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Heron_Marked_Blade:
Could someone give me a quote or book reference to where men in the Black Tower are being trained in unarmed combat? I know Rand trained with the Aiel, and I know the men were trained in swordwork, but I don't remember them being trained in unarmed combat... If there is no book reference, I would not give them Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat.

Ch 42 "Black Tower" book 6 Lord of Chaos "Henre Haslin had a line of bare-chested men under his eye, working the forms with practice swords. With only a fringe of white hair and a bulbous red nose, Haslin sweated more than his students, and doubtless was wishing for his wine, but he watched and corrected as sharply as when he was Master of the Sword for the Queen's Guards. Saeric, a gray-haired Red Water Goshien with no right hand, had two shirtless rows under his stony eyes. One was kicking as high as their heads, pivot and kick, then pivot and kick with the other foot, over and over; the other punched the air in front of them as fast they could. All in all, it was a far cry from the pitiful handful Rand had seen the last time.

[edit -screwed up the formatting [Razz] ]

[ February 12, 2003, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: Xythlord ]

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posted February 12, 2003 07:05 PM      Profile for Eagle Prince   Email Eagle Prince    Edit/Delete Post
Well, there you go. It's even Aiel martial arts they're learning.

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posted February 12, 2003 07:47 PM      Profile for aleshandre   Email aleshandre    Edit/Delete Post
I stand corrected. [Blush]

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posted March 17, 2003 04:37 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
Has anyone actually tried using this variant?

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