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Tristifer
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posted May 15, 2003 05:58 PM      Profile for Tristifer   Email Tristifer    Edit/Delete Post
would there be any differences if a male took the Aes Sedai PrC? i am building a campaign based off of the WoT world and want to have a central learning center for both male and female channelers that aren't "battle oriented" like the Asha'man. kind of like the Parran Disen(sp?) of the Age of Legends.

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posted May 15, 2003 10:50 PM      Profile for TheFlatline      Edit/Delete Post
If it's not set in the WoT setting, then no, I doubt there'd be any real reason why a male caster couldn't take Aes Sedai PrC.
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posted May 15, 2003 11:17 PM      Profile for torchflame      Edit/Delete Post
The main thing is that in the books there have been no male aes sedai since the age of legends. Plus there's that whole male channelers being more powerful, but balanced by madness thing.

Just a couple of considerations to keep in mind. That being said, it's YOUR campaign, run it how you want to. So long as the players don't care, and everyone has fun, anything goes (within reason [Wink] )

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posted May 16, 2003 07:03 AM      Profile for Freya      Edit/Delete Post
The only thing I'd consider removing, would be the 'Ageless Face'. The Agelessness is a side effect of taking the Three Oaths on the Oath Rod. The Three Oaths weren't sworn until after the male Aes Sedai went crazy. But, if you like the effect to make Aes Sedai visually 'obvious' then go for it.

As for torchflame's mention of the power vs. madness balancing for male channelers, I guess the only balancing factor (without madness) would be the tenets of the Aes Sedai. The balances would be strictly role-playing based, like female Aes Sedai now.

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Tristifer
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posted May 17, 2003 05:00 PM      Profile for Tristifer   Email Tristifer    Edit/Delete Post
thankx all, i just didn't know if i should change any of the abilities or not. i dont think i will, other than the 'ageless face" thing. and yea there will be some issues if the channelers start abusing their powers. anyone heard of Mord-Sith?

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posted May 17, 2003 05:59 PM      Profile for Whitewinds   Email Whitewinds    Edit/Delete Post
Unfortunately, the Mord-Sith are based on certain assumptions about magic that simply don't apply in the WoT world, and I don't see any real way to implement any functionally similar organization.
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posted May 18, 2003 07:30 AM      Profile for Phate   Email Phate    Edit/Delete Post
The Ageless Face ability is not caused by the Oath Rod or the Three Oaths. In book 10, Egwene mentions that the Oath Rod actually shortens the lifespan of the Aes Sedai. I'd keep it. But it's your campaign

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posted May 18, 2003 07:58 AM      Profile for Xythlord   Email Xythlord    Edit/Delete Post
Actually there are numerous refrences about the Oath Rod giving the Aes Sedai the Ageless face, but it does shorten the lifespan by as much as half. There are way too many examples of channelers who are older than some of the Aes Sedai who do not possess the Ageless look that they do (Wise Ones, Forsaken, The Kin, etc.)

I think what you are referring to is the fact that channeling slows down the aging process.

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Tristifer
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posted May 18, 2003 10:26 AM      Profile for Tristifer   Email Tristifer    Edit/Delete Post
whitewinds- i am thinking of using Mord-Sith type NPC's to enfoce the channelers/wizards/sorcerers from abusing their powers. any of the PC's that start abusing their powers will be rounded up by a Mord-Sith and brought to the "White Tower" (i dont have a name yet for the Aes Sedai home base).

and as to the ageless face/shortened life span - i believe that it is a result of the oath rod. none of the forsaken or the kin show the ageless face that is associated with Aes Sedai. also in one of the forsaken's POV i remember someone thinking/talking about how the Aes Sedai of the 3rd age are 'bound like criminals'

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posted May 18, 2003 11:26 AM      Profile for redrigger4567   Email redrigger4567    Edit/Delete Post
if you are going to mix male and female AS, and do away with madness. why dont you just do away with the section that says men are stronger. take one advantage away for each advantage. just a thought.

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posted May 18, 2003 12:14 PM      Profile for Sharn_Penndroen   Email Sharn_Penndroen    Edit/Delete Post
The fact that men are stronger than women is not a result of the taint. It is the nature of things. Women can link up to 13 sisters together without a man. Men can't link together at all with out a woman. These are the balancing factors. And if men channelers are stronger than women that is fine with me. That is how it is depicted in the books. Channelers in general are more powerful than everyone else. So whatever, if you want to weaken men to make it "fair" you can, but I would just leave it. It is the nature of the beast.

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posted May 19, 2003 04:55 AM      Profile for Moon-Hawk      Edit/Delete Post
So, in case anyone's still confused:
Channelers live longer.
The oath rod shortens this extended lifespan and causes the ageless look.

Also, just to clear this up, (sounds like the beginning of a rant) as it is stated very clearly in the books as well as the BBoBA, male channelers are stronger in the power and female channelers have more control when it comes to weaving. THAT is the fundamental balance between the genders, and half of it is not at all reflected in the game. (one of my biggest complaints) The two genders are inherently balanced by these two things. The madness should NOT balance the two, it should imbalance them. The three thousand years between the breaking and the novels is the time when the genders are imbalanced. Only before and after the taint are they balanced, it's strength vs. control, not strength vs. sanity or anything like that. All of the other differences (ability to make circles, ability to exceed circle size of 13, ability to sense other gender channeling, ability to sense potential strength in a student, etc.) are all secondary balancers between the genders. (end rant)

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posted May 21, 2003 10:18 PM      Profile for JosephKell   Email JosephKell    Edit/Delete Post
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Madness is an excuse! Not a handicap! [Big Grin]

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