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JakoShadows
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posted September 20, 2002 11:00 AM      Profile for JakoShadows      Edit/Delete Post
Lets say we have a level 5 Wilder.
I assume that he makes every overchanneling roll.

Let us also assume that he has Elementalism as his talent.

He has Fire, Spirit, Earth, Air as his Affinities.
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Question:
I want to learn Shield. Can I learn it?
It lists as a level 3 minimum weave. However, since I have all of the affinites (Spirit), it is effectively a level 2 weave. Can I then overchannel to cast it 3 levels higher and cast a level 5 weave?

I guess my real question is this.
If you have all of the affinities do you actually lower the level of the weave or just the weaveslot that it takes to cast that weave.
If so are you still bound by the level 2 maximum for wilders who do not have that talent?

What about if it were something like
Ward Shadowspawn? And I have learned it.
Can I overchannel to get over the level 2 maximum?
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Eosin_the_Red
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posted September 20, 2002 11:21 AM      Profile for Eosin_the_Red   Email Eosin_the_Red    Edit/Delete Post
All affinities lower the level of the weave. I believe in the errata that Angreals also lower the weave.

I would allow the 5th level casting but others might not - it is something of a judgement call.

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posted September 20, 2002 02:41 PM      Profile for RocPhoenix   Email RocPhoenix    Edit/Delete Post
I was just noticing the same thing, and about shielding. If I were a wilder, have Spirit as an affinity, but not the talent of warding, and I wanted to shield someone 5 levels lower than me who was not embracing the source, would I be able to learn that? that should be 3, -2 for them not holding the source, and -1 for the affinity, I have just made it a level 0. Now, the other part of that is, would I be able to learn it at first level? Just a thought. Nothing more than theoretical rhetoric, really, but a thought that caught my attention.
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Lando
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posted September 20, 2002 09:03 PM      Profile for Lando   Email Lando    Edit/Delete Post
As for the question about the lowing of the level of the weave, I believe that it only lowers the the lvl of the weaveslot, not the actual effect of the weave...And I'm not sure about having the affinities and still being able to cross-talent channel a 3rd lvl spell, I myself would probably allow it, if it were brought up to me..

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Moridin00
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posted September 23, 2002 02:17 AM      Profile for Moridin00      Edit/Delete Post
When you have all required affinities, the weave level remains the same (i.e. you cast Shield as a 6th level weave) when you cast it, but you use a 5th-level slot.

If you over-channel and use a 6th level slot, the weave produced would be a 7th-level Shield.

Therefore, treat the weave at its casting level, but burn a slot one lower than listed in the weave description when weaving it.

Further, Saving throws against the weave are checked against its listed level in the weave description, not at the level of the slot used to weave it.

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mrtauntaun
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posted September 23, 2002 09:55 AM      Profile for mrtauntaun   Email mrtauntaun    Edit/Delete Post
Moridin00 is correct. The weave is the level listed with the sole exception of the slot used. Slot usage is your ONLY benefit to having all of the affinities.
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